Why does everybody detest low carb diets? They are the only thing that works for me
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sbubenchik wrote: »Ok since you also agree that I know nothing about nutrition and fitness, then teach me. I also wanna know how I'm in the kinda shape I'm in when I'm doing everything wrong. That's a real question by the way.
I never said you did anything wrong. As people has said time and time again, many people find different ways of eating to help them stay in a deficit. That will lead to weight loss. (And if people are gaining, then they need to find a way to help them hit those calorie goals too.)
You then started making sweeping comments about everyone, all, and carbs.
There are plenty of people who feel full after eating carbs. And insulin isn't bad; you need it for building muscle.
And just calm the hell down. Eat how you want to eat but don't tell everyone else what they do is wrong or crap.7 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Ok since you also agree that I know nothing about nutrition and fitness, then teach me. I also wanna know how I'm in the kinda shape I'm in when I'm doing everything wrong. That's a real question by the way.
It's not what you did is wrong in your training, is the broscience that you spout. Carbs do not universally cause hunger. The satiety rating of a potato is some of the highest outside of fibrous veggies and protein.
Also, there is no advantage (outside of personal compliance) to controlling insulin.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
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sbubenchik wrote: »Ok since you also agree that I know nothing about nutrition and fitness, then teach me. I also wanna know how I'm in the kinda shape I'm in when I'm doing everything wrong. That's a real question by the way.
No one was saying that what you're doing for yourself is wrong for you. But telling everyone that carbs will make them hungry and that bread and pasta is useless IS wrong. Not everyone has to eat the same way to be healthy. Some people are much more satisfied on a higher carb diet, and others are more satisfied on a lower carb diet. Neither one of them are wrong or better than the other.4 -
Also, as much as many in the low carb community promote insulin being bad it isn't. It helps activate mTOR and protein synthesis (leucine and mechanical stress can to). Not only that, carbs are prevent protein degradation which. This in turn can help you build muscle, even in a deficit.0
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“You are so young my son, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions…”
–Plato4 -
Ok first off I never said you can't get good results from eating certain things. This was a low carb question in this forum. I was simply saying that eating low carb is not bad at all. And it's just a scientific fact that processed carbs and grains aren't the most nutrient dense foods. You can't argue with that. My before and after pic on here was processed carbs vs how I eat now. Plus I don't "lift weights", I train on an athletic level. But I physically feel better with the nutrition change. All this stuff was what I learned in college in my A&P class. I'm just trying to help answer a question.0
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Cyndi10612 wrote: »I feel like people freak out when you tell them you are on an extremely low calorie diet, Atkins, etc. I catch the wrath from friends and family, and even online communities, that low carb diets are so bad for you but honestly it's the only thing that works for me and I feel better so why not!
I dont know if anyone read and missed the part about the OP saying extremely low calorie diet but, here it is frowned upon keto/low carb generally is not. just because you are low carb/keto doesnt mean thats its a low calorie diet.the two are different if you ask me. extremely low calorie diets are not healthy or sustainable,but low carb/keto can be. extremely low calories should not be followed by anyone except for those who have had WLS or under the strict care of a DR who knows his *kitten* from a hole in the ground.2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Cyndi10612 wrote: »I feel like people freak out when you tell them you are on an extremely low calorie diet, Atkins, etc. I catch the wrath from friends and family, and even online communities, that low carb diets are so bad for you but honestly it's the only thing that works for me and I feel better so why not!
I dont know if anyone read and missed the part about the OP saying extremely low calorie diet but, here it is frowned upon keto/low carb generally is not. just because you are low carb/keto doesnt mean thats its a low calorie diet.the two are different if you ask me. extremely low calorie diets are not healthy or sustainable,but low carb/keto can be. extremely low calories should not be followed by anyone except for those who have had WLS or under the strict care of a DR who knows his *kitten* from a whole in the ground.
I assumed it was a typo given the title.0 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Ok first off I never said you can't get good results from eating certain things. This was a low carb question in this forum. I was simply saying that eating low carb is not bad at all. And it's just a scientific fact that processed carbs and grains aren't the most nutrient dense foods. You can't argue with that. My before and after pic on here was processed carbs vs how I eat now. Plus I don't "lift weights", I train on an athletic level. But I physically feel better with the nutrition change. All this stuff was what I learned in college in my A&P class. I'm just trying to help answer a question.
Processed carbs generally have crap tons of fats and salt and tend to be low in nutrition. There is nothing wrong with grains, but if you actually have research, I would love to see it. There are also a lot of foods that are mainly fat that are not very healthy for you too. In the end, low or high carb, there are good and bad diets.1 -
I have insulin resistance and am trying a low-carb, low-sugar diet to reduce blood sugar spikes. I have no time to explain to people what insulin resistance is or what I need to do to fix it, therefore, I really don't care what people have to say. If they ASK about my diet, though, I have no problem explaining. But unsolicited "advice" is swiftly met with a 0_o.1
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sbubenchik wrote: »Yeah well I not only go by how my body reacts, but also I read articles in medical journals. So yeah, carbs like pasta, breads and grains are not that good for you at all. They are indeed worthless. Fibrous carbs are very good for you as well as a moderate amount of protein and good amount of fats. You can keep your insulin in check which is a healthier way to live. Everyone gets hungry shortly after eating complex carbs because they experience an insulin spike then crash resulting in hunger and or tired. People are finally finding out that our brain and cells are made up of mostly fat, not glucose, that's old out dates stuff.
I eat vegetarian 3-4 days per week and mostly just fish on meat days and only for one meal...I do not get hungry shortly after eating complex carbs and complex carbs don't really lead to insulin spikes and I sure don't have any "crash"...straight up sugar and refined carbs eaten in isolation do...of course, I'm sure you know that eating things like pasta or white rice along with some protein and fat completely alters the GL of those items....
Staples of my so called "unhealthy" (laughable) diet...
lentils and legumes...friggin' nasty junk food...
Junky whole oats...
More sh!tty whole foods...friggin' junk I tell ya...
That's basically pure *kitten* right there...
More garbage going into my body....
To think carbohydrates are "poison" and bad for your body is nutritional ignorance...13 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Cyndi10612 wrote: »I feel like people freak out when you tell them you are on an extremely low calorie diet, Atkins, etc. I catch the wrath from friends and family, and even online communities, that low carb diets are so bad for you but honestly it's the only thing that works for me and I feel better so why not!
I dont know if anyone read and missed the part about the OP saying extremely low calorie diet but, here it is frowned upon keto/low carb generally is not. just because you are low carb/keto doesnt mean thats its a low calorie diet.the two are different if you ask me. extremely low calorie diets are not healthy or sustainable,but low carb/keto can be. extremely low calories should not be followed by anyone except for those who have had WLS or under the strict care of a DR who knows his *kitten* from a whole in the ground.
I assumed it was a typo given the title.
hope thats the case but one can never tell sometimes0 -
ForTheTenthTime wrote: »I have insulin resistance and am trying a low-carb, low-sugar diet to reduce blood sugar spikes. I have no time to explain to people what insulin resistance is or what I need to do to fix it, therefore, I really don't care what people have to say. If they ASK about my diet, though, I have no problem explaining. But unsolicited "advice" is swiftly met with a 0_o.
People with IR should reduce their carb intake. At least around here, that is widely accepted. And when carbs are consumed, it should be more complex and combined with other nutrients (fats and proteins) to slow the release of insulin.0 -
“You are so young my son, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions…”
–Plato
Yeah I'm my opinions will change over the years about many things. I'm not your son, I have 5 kids of my own and one in high school. How young do you think I actually am?lol running the body efficiently is not an opinion thing, it's a scientific thing. You're getting a little deep for a conversation about low carbs lol0 -
sbubenchik wrote: »“You are so young my son, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions…”
–Plato
Yeah I'm my opinions will change over the years about many things. I'm not your son, I have 5 kids of my own and one in high school. How young do you think I actually am?lol running the body efficiently is not an opinion thing, it's a scientific thing. You're getting a little deep for a conversation about low carbs lol
Are you assuming that bodies run less efficient while higher in carbs?0 -
sbubenchik wrote: »“You are so young my son, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions…”
–Plato
Yeah I'm my opinions will change over the years about many things. I'm not your son, I have 5 kids of my own and one in high school. How young do you think I actually am?lol running the body efficiently is not an opinion thing, it's a scientific thing. You're getting a little deep for a conversation about low carbs lol
Wow dude, you're all over the place...2 -
sbubenchik wrote: »“You are so young my son, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions…”
–Plato
Yeah I'm my opinions will change over the years about many things. I'm not your son, I have 5 kids of my own and one in high school. How young do you think I actually am?lol running the body efficiently is not an opinion thing, it's a scientific thing. You're getting a little deep for a conversation about low carbs lol
Well your profile says 32 so....3 -
sbubenchik wrote: »“You are so young my son, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions…”
–Plato
Yeah I'm my opinions will change over the years about many things. I'm not your son, I have 5 kids of my own and one in high school. How young do you think I actually am?lol running the body efficiently is not an opinion thing, it's a scientific thing. You're getting a little deep for a conversation about low carbs lol
So then explain how I am doing it with all 3 macros...0 -
sbubenchik wrote: »“You are so young my son, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions…”
–Plato
Yeah I'm my opinions will change over the years about many things. I'm not your son, I have 5 kids of my own and one in high school. How young do you think I actually am?lol running the body efficiently is not an opinion thing, it's a scientific thing. You're getting a little deep for a conversation about low carbs lol
So then explain how I am doing it with all 3 macros...
Well, just look at you. It's obviously not working.
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I don't 'detest' low carb
I simply couldn't sustain low carb....I love carbs. Carbs are yummy!
I want a sustainable lifestyle and low carb simply doesn't fit the bill for me.2 -
Higher "processed carbs"? Uh yeah. Read stuff from the British medical journal. Or pick any other studies from various universities. I thought it was common sense by now that processed foods weren't as good for the body. I never said sweet potatoes were bad. I eat tons of carbs. But it's just in the form of leafy greens and other veggies. I'm finished with this forum, I think the person asking the question got enough info from both sides. All debate BS aside, I just want people to feel fantastic and be healthy.2
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sbubenchik wrote: »Ok first off I never said you can't get good results from eating certain things. This was a low carb question in this forum. I was simply saying that eating low carb is not bad at all. And it's just a scientific fact that processed carbs and grains aren't the most nutrient dense foods. You can't argue with that. My before and after pic on here was processed carbs vs how I eat now. Plus I don't "lift weights", I train on an athletic level. But I physically feel better with the nutrition change. All this stuff was what I learned in college in my A&P class. I'm just trying to help answer a question.
1. Nutrient density is a poor metric for a food. It's an oversimplification that overlooks the fact you need each individual nutrient. You can eat only nutrient dense foods and still be very deficient in one or more nutrients. For example, you could eat only fruit and veggies, and you'd have lots of nutrients overall but you'd end up very deficient in B12 since you are getting zero from that diet.
2. Nutrients matter at the level of the overall diet, and once you reach your minimums, there's no real benefit to taking in more. 200% of your RDA of a vitamin is no healthier than 100%. If you have a deficiency, there's a huge benefit to eating foods that address the deficiency, but if you're not deficient there is little to no benefit to eating more of the nutrients you're already getting enough of.
3. Grains are good sources of several nutrients like potassium and some of the B vitamins. No food has a complete nutrient profile - the easiest way to meet your needs without needing to micromanage every aspect of your diet is to consume a wide variety of different foods.3 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Higher "processed carbs"? Uh yeah. Read stuff from the British medical journal. Or pick any other studies from various universities. I thought it was common sense by now that processed foods weren't as good for the body. I never said sweet potatoes were bad. I eat tons of carbs. But it's just in the form of leafy greens and other veggies. I'm finished with this forum, I think the person asking the question got enough info from both sides. All debate BS aside, I just want people to feel fantastic and be healthy.
Making sweeping generalizations is where there is an issue. Diets are about context. Process carbs are actually process fats and some carbs, too. Sugar sweetened beverages being the exception. They are bad because they are very high in calories and low in micronutrients.1 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Higher "processed carbs"? Uh yeah. Read stuff from the British medical journal. Or pick any other studies from various universities. I thought it was common sense by now that processed foods weren't as good for the body. I never said sweet potatoes were bad. I eat tons of carbs. But it's just in the form of leafy greens and other veggies. I'm finished with this forum, I think the person asking the question got enough info from both sides. All debate BS aside, I just want people to feel fantastic and be healthy.
And there is more then one way to achieve this...2 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Higher "processed carbs"? Uh yeah. Read stuff from the British medical journal. Or pick any other studies from various universities. I thought it was common sense by now that processed foods weren't as good for the body. I never said sweet potatoes were bad. I eat tons of carbs. But it's just in the form of leafy greens and other veggies. I'm finished with this forum, I think the person asking the question got enough info from both sides. All debate BS aside, I just want people to feel fantastic and be healthy.
And there is more then one way to achieve this...
And I think we all agree that one should have plenty of nutrient dense foods.3 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Higher "processed carbs"? Uh yeah. Read stuff from the British medical journal. Or pick any other studies from various universities. I thought it was common sense by now that processed foods weren't as good for the body. I never said sweet potatoes were bad. I eat tons of carbs. But it's just in the form of leafy greens and other veggies. I'm finished with this forum, I think the person asking the question got enough info from both sides. All debate BS aside, I just want people to feel fantastic and be healthy.
You are just displaying the typical thinking of many low carb/keto folks...carbs = processed junk...there are literally tons of nutritious sources of carbohydrates and I rarely here anyone doing low carb every talk about them...just carbs = sugar and refined, ultra processed junk.
Most vegetarians eat fairly high carb...I'm not 100% vegetarian, but I am substantially so...I eat pretty high carb...all of my sh!tty blood work has been fixed and I pretty easily dropped 40 Lbs and I'm pretty damned lean, healthy, and fit...so I just find it laughable this notion that it's low carb or keto and everything else is just "bad" and you're poisoning your body...it's ignorance...and almost a cult like phenomenon.5 -
I'm not low carb, but respect folks who choose low carb for weight loss, or to address health concerns, or want to see if they feel better.
That said: yeah, there are many kinds of foods that have a nutritionally significant amount of carbohydrates. Some of those are pretty damned nutritious (all those leafy greens, whole fruits, and those beautiful WHOLE, INTACT grains that Cwolfman posted). And legumes. I love them. I understand that many avoid them because they are supposedly inflammatory, but I adore legumes.
I agree that calling grains "bad" is ill advised. I also wouldn't call them "good" simply because they help fulfill a calorie or macro number. There are nutrient dense, whole food, high fiber grains and then there are the heavily refined convenience foods. Those tend to be the hyper palatable, nutrient poor foods. I tend not to spend much of my calorie allotment on those. It doesn't work well for my goals.
Eat em (all carbs, some carbs, certain carbs...) or don't. It's your life.
Cheers.1 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Ok since you also agree that I know nothing about nutrition and fitness, then teach me. I also wanna know how I'm in the kinda shape I'm in when I'm doing everything wrong. That's a real question by the way.
There isn't "the" right way. There are millions of right ways. As long as your diet meets your nutritional requirements, you have appropriate calorie consumption to maintain a healthy weight, and physical activity to maintain your target level of fitness, it's all good. That could be high carb, low carb, clean, dirty, paleo, vegan, IIFYM, what have you.
What matters is that each of us find "a" right way and one that we can sustain and enjoy. It doesn't have to be the same right way that you or I do it.2 -
I don't have an issue with low carb at all if it works for you
I do admittedly have the following issues
1) the prevailing nonsense that in order to lose weight one has to cut carbs ...it's a ridiculous concept that had seeped so far into the public domain that people from all walks of life, including medics, spout it as a solution to weight loss
2) the excitement at rapid scale weight drops that people often hit you with in the first few weeks when it's mainly.water weight manipulation and studies comparing to low fat as a diet show the rate of loss equalises by week 12 ...eg there is no long term speed benefits
3) for me personally the impossibility of long term adherence and how rapidly weight swings back once one eats carbs ...the approach always made me yo-yo badly
and I'm finally at a solution to my weight that gives me long term adherence over temporary weight loss.
I have gone low carb a number of times for periods between 3 months and about 11 months but always 'fell off' eventually and ended up fatter than before I started. And the speed at which that weight was regained always shocked me. Every time I restarted I did so with the mindset of 'this time I know what I'm doing, I just need to get to x weight,this time I will stick to it'
4) the bro-science claims around biological responses to carbs in those without specific medical conditions
Hope that helps
Its interesting that your 2nd point is that the weight loss in the beginning is largely water weight loss, but then in your 3rd point you lament about how rapidly the weight came back on when you increased carbs, you realize that was water weight as well. and then in your second part of point 3 you state how you eventually ended up fatter after adding carbs back, which would suggest you were eating a caloric surplus since we know that weight loss and gain are all about calories in vs. calories out. thus having nothing to do with the amount of carbs you were eating and everything to do with the amount of calories you were eating.1 -
sbubenchik wrote: »Ok first off I never said you can't get good results from eating certain things. This was a low carb question in this forum. I was simply saying that eating low carb is not bad at all. And it's just a scientific fact that processed carbs and grains aren't the most nutrient dense foods. You can't argue with that. My before and after pic on here was processed carbs vs how I eat now. Plus I don't "lift weights", I train on an athletic level. But I physically feel better with the nutrition change. All this stuff was what I learned in college in my A&P class. I'm just trying to help answer a question.
I'm never one to compare individual foods since I believe these foods aren't eaten in a vacuum and it's the diet as a whole that matters, but when low carb proponents say things like that, it irks me. Even some of the junkiest foods have more nutrients than the healthiest fats, which occupy a large percentage of their diet, and grains are pretty nutritious (like my favorite rye bread). Also why is there always this assumption that those who aren't doing low carb don't eat vegetables among other things? Some eat as much if not more vegetables as those making the claims about nutrition.
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