Girlfriend not losing weight on deficit
joshsparkes
Posts: 11 Member
Hi folks.
You all have guided me to good results, and I'm so confident in the cut/bulk & progressive overload progress I've made huge progress over 2 years...
However i have tried to implement this for my gf who is trying to improve composition/lose fat.
Her stats are 169cm and 62kg i think.
We calculated a maintenance of 1700 cals, and set a target of around 1200 daily, which she met for about 8-9 weeks. She walked 6 miles a day Mon-Fri which apparantly burns 500 cals-ish, so we added those 500 on meaning on these days she'd eat 1700 cals.
She thinks she hasnt lost weight and may have in fact gained some.
Also, side note - the effort and faith she put in the process over 9 weeks to see no results has resulted in loss of confidence and now has uncertainty about how to lose weight.
Side note 2 - she didnt lift in this time period and ate chocolate/cake when she felt like it - but calories are all that matter for weight loss right?
If i can get a good reason here i should be able to get her back on it.
Cheers
You all have guided me to good results, and I'm so confident in the cut/bulk & progressive overload progress I've made huge progress over 2 years...
However i have tried to implement this for my gf who is trying to improve composition/lose fat.
Her stats are 169cm and 62kg i think.
We calculated a maintenance of 1700 cals, and set a target of around 1200 daily, which she met for about 8-9 weeks. She walked 6 miles a day Mon-Fri which apparantly burns 500 cals-ish, so we added those 500 on meaning on these days she'd eat 1700 cals.
She thinks she hasnt lost weight and may have in fact gained some.
Also, side note - the effort and faith she put in the process over 9 weeks to see no results has resulted in loss of confidence and now has uncertainty about how to lose weight.
Side note 2 - she didnt lift in this time period and ate chocolate/cake when she felt like it - but calories are all that matter for weight loss right?
If i can get a good reason here i should be able to get her back on it.
Cheers
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How was she measuring her food? Using a scale increases the accuracy of calories being consumed in order to get into a deficit. Relying on cups, spoons, eyeballs to measure can be tricky and can prevent or knock one out of a deficit. Also if she started new workouts recently, fluid retention can mask weight loss as well.4
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First problem I can potentially see is that if MFP gave you 500 extra calories for the walking - you generally shouldn't eat all of them back. maybe 50% at most.
Second, how did she track her calorie intake?
Did she WEIGH all solids with a scale?
did she measure all liquids with spoons and measuring cups?
everything... every morsel in her mouth?
Was it logged on here? would she be willing to open her diary so other more knowledgeable people could review and see where there may be other errors?
You say she *thinks* she hasn't lost and has potentially gained... did she weigh herself before starting? then every week to check? Weight loss isn't linear... maybe using a program like below pictured Weight Grapher will help her when she can see the weight loss TREND over time... not every week will show a loss... and sometimes a gain will be there...
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Why would somebody who is trying to improve body composition not lift while cutting calories? That makes no sense. I mean, maybe for somebody who knows nothing about body composition but it sounds like you are guiding her and you appear to lift in some way.14
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that she probably didn't use a food scale?
If she didn't lose weight, she wasn't actually in a deficit (even though she thought she was).
Either a) she was eating more than she thought or b) she was burning less than she thought.
Given her activity level, I'm gonna say that the former is the more likely culprit.
There's nothing magical about cake that will cause weight gain (or prevent loss) while in a deficit but failure to accurately gauge the number of calories in said cake can have a big impact on whether or not the deficit actually occurs.
For instance, finding a generic entry in the database and logging 300 calories of "Chocolate Cake - 1 piece" would cause problems if it's actually a 660 calorie piece of cake (this is where the recipe builder comes in handy).
Also, a day full of eyeballing portions of things like nuts can cause logging to be off by hundreds (or potentially thousands in extreme cases) of calories.
Estimate a serving size of nuts and then actually weigh them and see if you're surprised by the difference. Then calculate the calories that the difference makes.
Things like that can kill a deficit quicker than you can tip a two legged cow.
Long story short: get a food scale and weigh everything from potatoes to the ketchup you put on em.9 -
Why have you taken on this "project" for her? Don't you feel she is capable of handling her own food and weight and exercise?
I would seriously chafe at anyone else trying to "help" me lose weight.
But that's just me.28 -
Also, why would a 5'7" 136 pound woman be using a 500 calorie deficit?
None of this is making sense to me.27 -
Does she have an MFP account?
If so, have her post her stats and questions, so that there's nothing lost in translation.
If not, have her do that, if she wants to do this.7 -
Yeah, and this:
She thinks she hasnt lost weight and may have in fact gained some.
What do you mean "she thinks"?
Is there not a scale so she can find out?11 -
You're posting here because she doesn't think she has lost weight. She may need to get more involved in the process, if this is something she wants. Weigh consistently (same time of day/routine) every so often & check measurements to gauge progress.6
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tracymayo1 wrote: »First problem I can potentially see is that if MFP gave you 500 extra calories for the walking - you generally shouldn't eat all of them back. maybe 50% at most.
Second, how did she track her calorie intake?
Did she WEIGH all solids with a scale?
did she measure all liquids with spoons and measuring cups?
everything... every morsel in her mouth?
Was it logged on here? would she be willing to open her diary so other more knowledgeable people could review and see where there may be other errors?
You say she *thinks* she hasn't lost and has potentially gained... did she weigh herself before starting? then every week to check? Weight loss isn't linear... maybe using a program like below pictured Weight Grapher will help her when she can see the weight loss TREND over time... not every week will show a loss... and sometimes a gain will be there...
Just want to point out that the bolded advice is simply due to the fact that calorie burns from exercise are typically overestimated (not as big as the online calculator says they should be).2 -
1. She "thinks" she hasn't lost weight?
2. How accurately is she tracking her intake. A slice of cake is pretty calorie dense and I know I always feel cheated when I go with the actual serving size suggested on pre-bought cake packaging.
3. How are you calculating 500 calories for the walking?
4. 1200 is probably too aggressive anyway but I strongly suspect there's a lot of inaccuracies here.
5. I might also suspect she could be eating things she's not logging when not in your presence, particularly if this weight loss is primarily being motivated by you and she's not especially committed herself.12 -
VintageFeline wrote: »1. She "thinks" she hasn't lost weight?
2. How accurately is she tracking her intake. A slice of cake is pretty calorie dense and I know I always feel cheated when I go with the actual serving size suggested on pre-bought cake packaging.
3. How are you calculating 500 calories for the walking?
4. 1200 is probably too aggressive anyway but I strongly suspect there's a lot of inaccuracies here.
5. I might also suspect she could be eating things she's not logging when not in your presence, particularly if this weight loss is primarily being motivated by you and she's not especially committed herself.
I think this is a good summary. I'd just add in the fact that women can have water fluctuations that mask fat loss, especially when already at a lower weight. Between her lower activity level and logging errors, her deficit is likely pretty small. Add to that doing nothing to keep muscle (no lifting) and a possible increase in carbs (is the cake eating a new thing?) along with hormone fluctuations and I can see how she may have lost a pound or two of fat but ended up feeling softer instead of leaner.
But this really is all just a bunch of guesses since you've provided no solid numbers.2 -
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I clicked on this because it interested me... I am no expert but I do know walking doesn't burn that many calories...5 miles of walking is much closer to 200-300 calories. I walk and run and I burn exponentially more calories running.. on my long days (10 miles @ 7min/mile pace) I burn around 1000 calories...I doubt she is burning half of that just by walking...5
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If your girlfriend is over 18, then she should probably be posting on her own behalf. Seems a little patronizing...27
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Chocolate cake is not bad to eat, but I would guess eating it all the time would end up having the calories be off, because my guess is people aren't really good at getting the right calorie count for cake. The problem in general is that she is probably eating more that she thinks, and burning less than she thinks.5
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In recent months I have lots of people tell me I've 'lost' loads of weight - I haven't 'lost' much weight in the last 6 months, however, I have toned up, got stronger and dropped a dress size. Losing weight isn't all about the scales - she should also be looking at her physical measurements, they can be more of an indication of how she's really doing.1
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Well, lots of things like saying you think she weighed something when she started but don't know and she thinks she hasn't lost weight but doesn't know, eating back all the exercise calories. It doesn't sound like she knows much for sure and that isnt helping.
She is a healthy weight. Her weight loss will take more accuracy and time.
She should weigh herself regularly on the same scale preferably in the mornings after using the bathroom before eating or drinking anything.
She should take body measurements to see if measurements are changing. Fit of clothes is another measure of progress.
She should use a food scale and log as accurately as she can if she has not been losing. She may be consuming a lot more than she thinks.
She should realize that she may retain water due to things like high sodium meals, exercise routine, period, ovulation and this will show up on the scale.
She should eat only a portion of exercise calories... maybe half to account for overestimations of burns.
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Agreed with all of the above. 500 calories is far too high for 6 miles of walking. Cut that in half. A 500 cal deficit is too steep, go for 250 cal deficit (and start lifting, definitely) plus weighing all foods that aren't liquids on a digital food scale. She also needs to download this app and log and weigh her own food. And, she needs to actually weigh herself.
Chocolate cake is absolutely fine as long as she weighs her portions and logs correctly using the nutritional info on the packaging. No cups/spoons unless it's for liquids.
As your gf is at a healthy weight, perhaps eating at maintenance and starting a progressive heavy lifting program is better for her instead of eating at deficit.4 -
Well, lots of things like saying you think she weighed something when she started but don't know and she thinks she hasn't lost weight but doesn't know, eating back all the exercise calories. It doesn't sound like she knows much for sure and that isnt helping.
She is a healthy weight. Her weight loss will take more accuracy and time.
She should weigh herself regularly on the same scale preferably in the mornings after using the bathroom before eating or drinking anything.
She should take body measurements to see if measurements are changing. Fit of clothes is another measure of progress.
She should use a food scale and log as accurately as she can if she has not been losing. She may be consuming a lot more than she thinks.
She should realize that she may retain water due to things like high sodium meals, exercise routine, period, ovulation and this will show up on the scale.
She should eat only a portion of exercise calories... maybe half to account for overestimations of burns.
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Why doesn't your GF ask these questions with her MFP account? Are you following her and logging her every bite? This seems weird that you are speaking for her.12
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rugratz2015 wrote: »In recent months I have lots of people tell me I've 'lost' loads of weight - I haven't 'lost' much weight in the last 6 months, however, I have toned up, got stronger and dropped a dress size. Losing weight isn't all about the scales - she should also be looking at her physical measurements, they can be more of an indication of how she's really doing.
Better than them saying you've lost "tons of weight" which is what my husband tells people.
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Why doesn't your GF ask these questions with her MFP account? Are you following her and logging her every bite? This seems weird that you are speaking for her.
Maybe she's uncomfortable putting herself out there? I mean, I'm so introverted I make my husband call for pizza or I'll order online. Benefit of the doubt maybe, although it could be she's not as into this as he is....14 -
Reminds me of my Dad ... my ex mother in law wanted him to loose weight . She made every meal for him and just didn't understand why he wasn't losing weight ... found out he was going thru the drive thru and eating going down the road lol guess he didn't want to lose weight ..
Only the person that wants to do something to there body can ..no one else can ...
Good luck8 -
5'7 and 136lbs
Give me strength14 -
Blondieee00 wrote: »I clicked on this because it interested me... I am no expert but I do know walking doesn't burn that many calories...5 miles of walking is much closer to 200-300 calories. I walk and run and I burn exponentially more calories running.. on my long days (10 miles @ 7min/mile pace) I burn around 1000 calories...I doubt she is burning half of that just by walking...
According to my HR charge, 500 calories is right on the nose for a woman who is 136-ish lbs. She is walking 6 miles daily, which at a theoretical brisk pace of 3 mph, would be 2 hours worth of walking. If she only walked for 70 minutes (I am assuming this is the length of your run), her burn would be 292 calories. If you ran for 2 hours and maintained your pace, your burn would be 1714 calories. So, her burn is not half of your burn--it is 29%, which sounds reasonable, if somewhat (or highly) annoying to the person who puts in the work to be able to run your pace. The amount of time spent doing an activity is a critical part of the calculation, and I believe researchers are looking at how our bodies become more efficient the more we exercise, and thus burn fewer calories.
Walking--frequently and over long distances--is a valuable fitness tool. It adds up (plus it is fun).7 -
At 5'7 and 136 lbs, she is at a healthy weight. I would look into recomp if I were her. She doesn't need to lose. She needs to lift.6
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