why does sugar make us fat
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ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week is not a good gauge of anything. So many other variables. Sodium intake, exercise, muscles needing to repair, normal weight fluctuation.
The one thing that it would be indicative is that you fall in line with the majority of the population and aren't as sated when eating sugars as when protein and fat. But as has been gone over ad nauseum in this thread, what actually makes us feel full may vary from person to person, whether it is a physiological or psychological response to the food we eat ultimately doesn't matter as long as we each find what works best to help us eat less calories.9 -
makingmark wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week is not a good gauge of anything. So many other variables. Sodium intake, exercise, muscles needing to repair, normal weight fluctuation.
The one thing that it would be indicative is that you fall in line with the majority of the population and aren't as sated when eating sugars as when protein and fat. But as has been gone over ad nauseum in this thread, what actually makes us feel full may vary from person to person, whether it is a physiological or psychological response to the food we eat ultimately doesn't matter as long as we each find what works best to help us eat less calories.
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ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
So many factors influence our weight - likely what you are seeing is a shift in water weight when you cut carbs vs when you are eating more carbs. Sodium might also play a role, hormones, change in exercise routine, stress, etc. 1 week is not enough to measure true impact of any change.3 -
ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
Glycogen stores. Look them up.4 -
ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...
Seriously, if a person is going to have a fair comparison, why not nutritious carbs like oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes, or other whole grains.
Also, since protein is highly linked to satiety, that should be maintained in both diets. If anything compare fats and carbs. No one compares protein to other macronutrients.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...
I missed that in the bold... there goes my typical response that these hypothetical extreme scenarios are totally ridiculous because no one actually eats nothing but chips, or chocolate for lunch...
I also love how one person's poor decision making and food choices in a poorly designed scientific experiment supposedly is meant to invalidate the entire CICO principle...5 -
Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!2 -
ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
Lots of carbs, especially depending on the kinds you choose, probably cause a water weight shift. Low carb would do the opposite. It's meaningless.
For hunger, that suggests that protein is satiating for you, as it is for me.
I suspect that how hungry one is eating a high carb diet depends completely on the carbs one picks for most people, though. I mentioned in another thread that I had a high sugar breakfast/carb breakfast (also quite low fat and high protein), and for me that is much more filling than a high fat, low carb, low protein breakfast. A high carb, low protein, low fiber breakfast would not be filling for me either, and that would be true no matter how much fat I added. 300 cal donut (half fat, half sugar, low fiber, low protein) -- not filling for me. 300 cal oatmeal with fruit and protein powder -- filling. 300 cal eggs and butter -- not filling (some protein, but not enough given the rest of the meal). But I'm not saying this is all true for everyone -- on satiety people differ. I just get annoyed when people say "carbs" aren't filling when the main carbs they mean are sweet treats (also high fat) or soda. I know I'd have no satiety issues on a high carb, low fat plant based diet with lots of veg and legumes (did it during Lent one year). I'd want other foods and don't have the ethical commitment to do such a diet, but satiety would not be my problem.
Edit: I also missed the chocolate for lunch. Yeah, that wouldn't be satiating for me either, or part of a typical idea of a balanced, healthful diet, although on occasion, whatever. It confirms my suspicion that there was something more going on than macros. For comparison, as I mentioned in another thread, my breakfast had 37 g of carbs (23 sugar), and I know from experience that I will be just as sated for just as long (I normally don't eat from 6 am to 12, but not uncommonly have lunch more like 2) as when I have my other favorite breakfast (which happens to be pretty low carb) of a vegetable omelet with smoked salmon.1 -
ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
I gained three pounds from last weeks weigh in to this weeks...does that mean that I consumed an extra 10,500 calories in seven days? No, it means I skipped two days working out this week and then did a heavy leg day yesterday, so I am retaining more water...
Run that experiment over a six week period and then report back...2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...
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ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
I gained three pounds from last weeks weigh in to this weeks...does that mean that I consumed an extra 10,500 calories in seven days? No, it means I skipped two days working out this week and then did a heavy leg day yesterday, so I am retaining more water...
Run that experiment over a six week period and then report back...
I would feel like complete crap if I did that for 3 weeks. I couldn't do it.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
Lots of carbs, especially depending on the kinds you choose, probably cause a water weight shift. Low carb would do the opposite. It's meaningless.
For hunger, that suggests that protein is satiating for you, as it is for me.
I suspect that how hungry one is eating a high carb diet depends completely on the carbs one picks for most people, though. I mentioned in another thread that I had a high sugar breakfast/carb breakfast (also quite low fat and high protein), and for me that is much more filling than a high fat, low carb, low protein breakfast. A high carb, low protein, low fiber breakfast would not be filling for me either, and that would be true no matter how much fat I added. 300 cal donut (half fat, half sugar, low fiber, low protein) -- not filling for me. 300 cal oatmeal with fruit and protein powder -- filling. 300 cal eggs and butter -- not filling (some protein, but not enough given the rest of the meal). But I'm not saying this is all true for everyone -- on satiety people differ. I just get annoyed when people say "carbs" aren't filling when the main carbs they mean are sweet treats (also high fat) or soda. I know I'd have no satiety issues on a high carb, low fat plant based diet with lots of veg and legumes (did it during Lent one year). I'd want other foods and don't have the ethical commitment to do such a diet, but satiety would not be my problem.
Edit: I also missed the chocolate for lunch. Yeah, that wouldn't be satiating for me either, or part of a typical idea of a balanced, healthful diet, although on occasion, whatever. It confirms my suspicion that there was something more going on than macros. For comparison, as I mentioned in another thread, my breakfast had 37 g of carbs (23 sugar), and I know from experience that I will be just as sated for just as long (I normally don't eat from 6 am to 12, but not uncommonly have lunch more like 2) as when I have my other favorite breakfast (which happens to be pretty low carb) of a vegetable omelet with smoked salmon.
Thanks. Makes a lot of sense.0 -
There was a dude who lost weight on a MacDonald's only diet...can't remember his name. That would be awesome!!! I love MacD's frenchfries. YUM.1
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yeah...I"m actually eating at McD's tonight with my kids before their activity.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!
Me too! I can seriously eat a kitten load of baby back ribs. My hubby makes them in the smoker!0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!
Me too! I can seriously eat a kitten load of baby back ribs. My hubby makes them in the smoker!
That's strange @queenliz99 most people like pig ribs
Takes all sorts
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queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!
Me too! I can seriously eat a kitten load of baby back ribs. My hubby makes them in the smoker!
That's strange @queenliz99 most people like pig ribs
Takes all sorts
Not me. I like little bitty kitty ribs!2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...
Whatev
Whatev what? Yeah...you're going to be hungry if all you have is chocolate for lunch...your "experiment" is inherently flawed...like big time.4 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...
Whatev
Whatev what? Yeah...you're going to be hungry if all you have is chocolate for lunch...your "experiment" is inherently flawed...like big time.
Exactly. I could never understand this strawman, eating nothing but candy for all meals is as rediculous and unrealistic for most people as eating nothing but lard. Even if we ignore that, chocolate would not be a good test candidate because it also has a lot of fat, which would skew the results.
Here is another rediculous test to try for 1200 calories: 10 tbsp of oil vs 24 pounds of sour cucumber pickles (that's more than 100 grams of sugar)
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That's all you have to an intelligent response? "Whatev"?cwolfman13 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...
Whatev
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!
Me too! I can seriously eat a kitten load of baby back ribs. My hubby makes them in the smoker!
That's strange @queenliz99 most people like pig ribs
Takes all sorts
Not me. I like little bitty kitty ribs!
I just picked up 4 lbs of lamb ribs. Cant wait to try them.2 -
Yummy! How are you preparing them!queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!
Me too! I can seriously eat a kitten load of baby back ribs. My hubby makes them in the smoker!
That's strange @queenliz99 most people like pig ribs
Takes all sorts
Not me. I like little bitty kitty ribs!
I just picked up 4 lbs of lamb ribs. Cant wait to try them.
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!
Me too! I can seriously eat a kitten load of baby back ribs. My hubby makes them in the smoker!
That's strange @queenliz99 most people like pig ribs
Takes all sorts
Not me. I like little bitty kitty ribs!
Seems like a good way to help control the cat population.0 -
It doesn't.1
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queenliz99 wrote: »
Yummy! How are you preparing them!queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Hey guys, low carb makes you fat!
Here's proof: Eat a diet high in carbs (lots of veggies and fruits and other goodies!) then a diet of nothing but bacon, eggs, spare ribs, bulletproof coffee... No evil carbs! All healthy saturated fats, yummie.
Challenge accepted!!!!
Me too! I can seriously eat a kitten load of baby back ribs. My hubby makes them in the smoker!
That's strange @queenliz99 most people like pig ribs
Takes all sorts
Not me. I like little bitty kitty ribs!
I just picked up 4 lbs of lamb ribs. Cant wait to try them.
Once i figure it out i will post. Its my first time picking them up.1 -
I got an email this morning from a company called MedCan here in Canada with a link to an interesting article they have written. Something for everyone here. For the "fearful of sugar" crowd there are some interesting statements and a link to a recent study in Cell, as well as some work by a young molecular biologist. As example:
"Growing research details how sugar affects the brain cells that influence our appetite. A study published in Cell on rodents, found that the brain not only consumes more sugar than any other organ in the body, but it actively seeks sugar from the bloodstream. We are starting to learn that excessive sugar intake can impact the brain on a molecular level, which can lead to negative outcomes such as excessive eating and eventually obesity."
and
"“This study confirms that our eating habits are psychological at the cellular level,” says Megan Scully, a registered dietitian at Medcan, who adds that most Canadians eat more than the recommended 6 to 9 teaspoons a day (one regular can of pop contains 10 teaspoons of sugar). High-sugar diets have been linked to impaired memory and learning, depressed mood and cognitive decline."
The "sugar is fine" crowd probably already noticed the word "rodent"and is ready to dismiss any findings based on the fact that the study was not done on humans.
See? Something for everyone.
The article: http://www.medcan.com/medcan-insights/expert-perspectives/new-findings-sugar-alters-brain/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=b2c
The study: http://www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(16)30974-6
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There was a dude who lost weight on a MacDonald's only diet...can't remember his name. That would be awesome!!! I love MacD's frenchfries. YUM.
Tom Naughton. His food diary during the experiment was very detailed and most days he ate under 2,000 calories, and quite frequently it was in the 1,800 calorie range. I'm a 38 year old female and my maintenance range is around the amount of calories he was consuming. As a guy his maintenance calorie range is probably quite a bit higher. He created a calorie deficit and lost weight. Simple as that.2
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