why does sugar make us fat

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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,139 Member
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    No research indicates such a thing.

    remember who you are dealing with ...
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,874 Member
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    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    @andreakreymborg welcome to MFP forums.

    Sugar and processed carbs also makes my fuel gauge read EMPTY all the time.

    I would be interested hear from anyone that can eat until they are full that can gain more 6 pounds in the next 6 months eating no sugar and no more than 50 grams of whole carbs daily.

    While that sounds like hell to me and I don't run pointless experiments on my body, here's an example of a LCHF day in the portions it would take for me to feel moderately full:

    3 eggs, scrambled with milk and cheese, cooked in oil, 2 slices of bacon: 550 calories
    6 oz pork loin w/ roasted broccoli topped with parmesan: 450 calories
    2 oz cashews: 320 calories
    6 oz salmon w/ leeks, pan-fried in butter, served with wine: 650 calories

    Total: 1970 calories, 46g carbs
    My TDEE: 1800 calories

    Would gain about 8 lbs in 6 months if I ate like that every day. Now, cook with less fat, replace the bacon with a tortilla, skip the snack of cashews, and add rice with dinner? I'm under my TDEE and much more satiated... Which is why I eat the way I do.

    But not if that WOE moved your TDEE moved higher as research indicates that would be expected.

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  • serapel
    serapel Posts: 502 Member
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    Last night I ate about 500 cals of chocolate covered almonds. I thought of you all as I ate them; so good!

    I love chocolate covered almonds. Pret sells them in a 220 calorie serving sizes with a dark, milk, and white chocolate mix (I like the dark chocolate ones the best). Of the 220 calories, 80 are from sugar, and 126 are from fat. These are pretty high sugar example of chocolate-covered almonds, but they were an easy source and I do enjoy them occasionally.

    Curious why you thought of us, but since chocolate covered almonds are delicious, I will assume that we are associated with positive, joyful experiences!

    My life is so much better now that I'm on MFP. I feel lighter and have a bounce in my step.
  • tmoneyag99
    tmoneyag99 Posts: 480 Member
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    Blood sugar spikes then deep valleys spur on hunger (at least in some of us) Cutting out those foods that cause your blood sugar to spike helps you keep an even blood sugar level. So when you *crash* after a sugar surge and you eat more you eat more than you truly need.


    I have seen it in my self. I have noticed that when I eat 2 boiled eggs for breakfast I can make it to lunch without feeling like I'm going to knaw my arm off. BUT when I have a piece of pumkin bread from Sbux or a croisant, you can set your watch on it, 2 hours later I will be hungry again.

    I prefer *not* to have to play this mental strength game with my body. I find foods that satisfy me for longer periods of time and I don't get hungry and I don't over eat except when in social situations. For me the foods that satisfy the most are protein rich foods. I am *not* one of those people that can eat large amounts of fiber and have it satisfy me. I have tried. Meat, cheese, nuts and fruit keep me from feeling hungry meal to meal. That's why those kind of diets work for me.

    Falling off the wagon and eating sugar for me is like a newly recovered Alcoholic walking into a bar. It's ugly and generally inadvisable. I can't explain it and I know so many on here will tout how ridiculous these theories are. BUT Know thy self, and to thine own self be true.

    If you are hungry 2hrs after eating 200 calories of starchy carbs but 4hrs after eating 200 calories after eating protien & fat you're totally chill guess what that means for you... Stay The F* away from sugar and starch
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,160 Member
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    You know for a fact research has been posted on MFP that it does do that. In nutrition ketosis ketone production doesn't taper off.
  • serapel
    serapel Posts: 502 Member
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    tmoneyag99 wrote: »
    Blood sugar spikes then deep valleys spur on hunger (at least in some of us) Cutting out those foods that cause your blood sugar to spike helps you keep an even blood sugar level. So when you *crash* after a sugar surge and you eat more you eat more than you truly need.


    I have seen it in my self. I have noticed that when I eat 2 boiled eggs for breakfast I can make it to lunch without feeling like I'm going to knaw my arm off. BUT when I have a piece of pumkin bread from Sbux or a croisant, you can set your watch on it, 2 hours later I will be hungry again.

    I prefer *not* to have to play this mental strength game with my body. I find foods that satisfy me for longer periods of time and I don't get hungry and I don't over eat except when in social situations. For me the foods that satisfy the most are protein rich foods. I am *not* one of those people that can eat large amounts of fiber and have it satisfy me. I have tried. Meat, cheese, nuts and fruit keep me from feeling hungry meal to meal. That's why those kind of diets work for me.

    Falling off the wagon and eating sugar for me is like a newly recovered Alcoholic walking into a bar. It's ugly and generally inadvisable. I can't explain it and I know so many on here will tout how ridiculous these theories are. BUT Know thy self, and to thine own self be true.

    If you are hungry 2hrs after eating 200 calories of starchy carbs but 4hrs after eating 200 calories after eating protien & fat you're totally chill guess what that means for you... Stay The F* away from sugar and starch

    I share the same experience as you.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,393 MFP Moderator
    edited October 2016
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    You know for a fact research has been posted on MFP that it does do that. In nutrition ketosis ketone production doesn't taper off.

    It's the initial production of additional ketones that cause the increase in EE. During the period, body fat is not lost either.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.long

    "The greater success of LC diets than of the conventional low-fat HC diet with respect to weight loss has been attributed to the maintenance of previous REE during active weight loss and to reduced hunger (17), but it is unclear whether these factors are related to dietary carbohydrate restriction or to increased dietary protein. Weight-adjusted REE increased in both diet groups over the 6-wk trial, but blood β-hydroxybutyrate concentrations were not correlated with REE (r = −0.014, P = 0.921), which indicates that the protein content of the diet, rather than the severity of the carbohydrate restriction, likely contributed to the elevations in REE. These data support the contention that calorie-reduced diets high in protein facilitate weight loss, in part, by preserving the metabolic rate (7, 8, 18). Fat-free mass, the major determinant of REE (19), was not correlated with REE in the present trial and cannot explain the observed increases in metabolism. Furthermore, exercise and activity levels remained constant in all study participants during the trial. It is possible that the high-protein diets increased body protein turnover, which increased peptide bond synthesis as well as hydrolysis, processes that require ATP (20)."



    In summary, differentiating between ketogenic and nonketogenic LC diets is an important consideration for clinical practice because ketogenic diets have been associated with adverse metabolic events including elevated LDL (26) and cardiac complications (36, 37). In the current study, the KLC diet did not offer any significant metabolic advantage over the NLC diet. Both diets were effective at reducing total body mass and insulin resistance, but, because blood ketones were directly related to LDL-cholesterol concentrations and because inflammatory risk was elevated with adherence to the KLC diet, severe restrictions in dietary carbohydrate are not warranted. Furthermore, the NLC diet was associated with feelings of high energy and a more favorable mood profile than was the KLC diet. Practitioners should advise patients who wish to follow an LC diet to choose low-fat meats and dairy products, 8–9 daily servings of fruit and vegetables, and a dietary carbohydrate limit near 100–125 g/d. Patients should know that there is no apparent metabolic advantage associated with ketosis during dieting.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
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    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    @andreakreymborg welcome to MFP forums.

    Sugar and processed carbs also makes my fuel gauge read EMPTY all the time.

    I would be interested hear from anyone that can eat until they are full that can gain more 6 pounds in the next 6 months eating no sugar and no more than 50 grams of whole carbs daily.

    Ok, and lets see if we give a person a high carb diet, the way it was intended with whole foods being most of the carbs, and less than 10% total fat and see if the same thing.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited October 2016
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    tmoneyag99 wrote: »
    Blood sugar spikes then deep valleys spur on hunger (at least in some of us) Cutting out those foods that cause your blood sugar to spike helps you keep an even blood sugar level. So when you *crash* after a sugar surge and you eat more you eat more than you truly need.


    I have seen it in my self. I have noticed that when I eat 2 boiled eggs for breakfast I can make it to lunch without feeling like I'm going to knaw my arm off. BUT when I have a piece of pumkin bread from Sbux or a croisant, you can set your watch on it, 2 hours later I will be hungry again.

    I prefer *not* to have to play this mental strength game with my body. I find foods that satisfy me for longer periods of time and I don't get hungry and I don't over eat except when in social situations. For me the foods that satisfy the most are protein rich foods. I am *not* one of those people that can eat large amounts of fiber and have it satisfy me. I have tried. Meat, cheese, nuts and fruit keep me from feeling hungry meal to meal. That's why those kind of diets work for me.

    Falling off the wagon and eating sugar for me is like a newly recovered Alcoholic walking into a bar. It's ugly and generally inadvisable. I can't explain it and I know so many on here will tout how ridiculous these theories are. BUT Know thy self, and to thine own self be true.

    If you are hungry 2hrs after eating 200 calories of starchy carbs but 4hrs after eating 200 calories after eating protien & fat you're totally chill guess what that means for you... Stay The F* away from sugar and starch

    Why do I have to stay away from carbs?
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
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    psulemon wrote: »
    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    @andreakreymborg welcome to MFP forums.

    Sugar and processed carbs also makes my fuel gauge read EMPTY all the time.

    I would be interested hear from anyone that can eat until they are full that can gain more 6 pounds in the next 6 months eating no sugar and no more than 50 grams of whole carbs daily.

    Considering fats don't fill me up, I could easily do that. Just because you can't do something, doesn't mean others can't. I got fat from high amounts of fats in my diet... especially meat.

    Unlimited cheese alone would make it super easy for me.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,344 Member
    edited October 2016
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    @andreakreymborg welcome to MFP forums.

    Sugar and processed carbs also makes my fuel gauge read EMPTY all the time.

    I would be interested hear from anyone that can eat until they are full that can gain more 6 pounds in the next 6 months eating no sugar and no more than 50 grams of whole carbs daily.

    Considering fats don't fill me up, I could easily do that. Just because you can't do something, doesn't mean others can't. I got fat from high amounts of fats in my diet... especially meat.

    Unlimited cheese alone would make it super easy for me.

    I could easily hit a significant caloric surplus every day with unlimited cheese, macadamia nuts and almonds. 100% guaranteed I'd gain more than 6 pounds in 6 months.

    Keto is not magical. CI<CO still matters.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,139 Member
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    AnvilHead wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    @andreakreymborg welcome to MFP forums.

    Sugar and processed carbs also makes my fuel gauge read EMPTY all the time.

    I would be interested hear from anyone that can eat until they are full that can gain more 6 pounds in the next 6 months eating no sugar and no more than 50 grams of whole carbs daily.

    Considering fats don't fill me up, I could easily do that. Just because you can't do something, doesn't mean others can't. I got fat from high amounts of fats in my diet... especially meat.

    Unlimited cheese alone would make it super easy for me.

    I could easily hit a significant caloric surplus every day with unlimited cheese, macadamia nuts and almonds. 100% guaranteed I'd gain more than 6 pounds in 6 months.

    Keto is not magical. CI<CO still matters.

    back in my hefty days my main sources of overeating was pizza, mozzarella sticks, Philly cheese steaks, etc...I was not a big sugar consumer, but I still got to a point where I needed to drop about 45 pounds...
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,874 Member
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    @andreakreymborg welcome to MFP forums.

    Sugar and processed carbs also makes my fuel gauge read EMPTY all the time.

    I would be interested hear from anyone that can eat until they are full that can gain more 6 pounds in the next 6 months eating no sugar and no more than 50 grams of whole carbs daily.

    Considering fats don't fill me up, I could easily do that. Just because you can't do something, doesn't mean others can't. I got fat from high amounts of fats in my diet... especially meat.

    Unlimited cheese alone would make it super easy for me.

    I'm pretty sure hunks of sharp cheddar washed down with pints of whole milk was one of the primary contributions to my weight gain. Like i seriously used to sit down to 1/4 to 1/2 Lb of sharp cheddar and a pint of whole milk for desert...
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
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    tmoneyag99 wrote: »
    Blood sugar spikes then deep valleys spur on hunger (at least in some of us)

    I appreciate the "at least some of us," because I find that carbs fill me up much better than fat, and I never overate due to hunger issues anyway.
    I have seen it in my self. I have noticed that when I eat 2 boiled eggs for breakfast I can make it to lunch without feeling like I'm going to knaw my arm off. BUT when I have a piece of pumkin bread from Sbux or a croisant, you can set your watch on it, 2 hours later I will be hungry again.

    This sort of thing drives me crazy, since when do you have to be low carb to be sensible about breakfast choices. I also would be hungry again soon if I had a croissant for breakfast (which is basically fat and refined carbs, of course). Of course, I also would be hungry before lunch with nothing but two boiled eggs, which is about 140 calories, and only 12-13 g protein (about 90 calories from fat). On the other hand, I have a variety of favored breakfasts, one low carb and two low fat and high carb that all keep me easily full until a very late lunch if I want (I eat around 6 am, so until 2 or so would be fine, although I normally like to eat at 12). All three (and I think this is what matters for me) include about 30 g of protein and vegetables/fruit (and related fiber and volume).

    Eating carbs doesn't mean eating mainly refined carbs + fat and nothing else for a meal, that's silly (and choosing to eat that way and complaining that you aren't satiated also would be silly).

    So long as you understand that those of us who consume some sugar (added or otherwise) are not, as a result, starving all the time, then we have no argument. (Well, not about that, at least.)