Not losing weight 6 miles of walking atleast 3 times a week
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Trixiegirl66 wrote: »Here is the funny thing about the bully herd mentality and string of nasty comments - I couldn't care less about your ill informed opinions or character attacks. After reading the many rants, I wondered if blood sugar swings from all the "occasional" unhealthy treats you guys pass off as moderation were behind the rudeness.
I showed my daughter the string of comments and she laughed, saying "it is clear that mean girls grow into vicious women with jealous streaks." After all, my open food diary shows I indulge in treats regularly, and yet I am losing fat and increasing muscle mass because I know that a Big Mac and soda are not treats.
Please though, carry on with your If It Fits Your Macros logic, and watch where your body lands as it ages. After all, we are what we eat, and for this knowledge I am very grateful.
Trixie,
I'm not seeing any bully herd mentality here, just a bunch of people who are chiming into the conversation, hence "bully mentality" is your perception. In fact, your comments seem nasty to me, but I accept that this could be my perception only. It is what it is, and everybody has a right to their opinion. Oh by the way, you're way off on your comments about jealous streaks. I guarantee you, there is nothing to be jealous of.
That said, it's wonderful you have found a way of eating that works for you that does not include Big Macs or soda. I don't eat Big Macs or drink sodas either, but only because I don't like Big Macs (or fast food) and carbonated drinks, including soda, gives me severe heartburn. However, if I liked Big Macs and soda did not give me heartburn, I would have both in moderation.
I eat a well balanced diet, watch my macros, eat within my calorie goals most of the time, am an avid runner and weight lifter, have tons of energy, and I am at a healthy BMI. I am also 55 years old and grateful that I land on my beautiful two feet every single day. It's pure heaven knowing that I can eat the foods I love and still lose weight and maintain, or even gain weight if I want to do a bulk. Food is just food and I have control over it, it has no power over me. Food type is not what weight loss is about.
Finally, on your comment about gaining muscle mass; unless you are an obese newbie to weight loss, and weight lifting/strength training, you will not be gaining muscle mass. It's very difficult for women to gain muscle mass and it requires eating at maintenance or above and doing heavy weight lifting. Keep eating at a calorie deficit and weight lifting and you retain the muscle mass you already have.
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Trixiegirl66 wrote: »No trolling, and for the last time - so please try and comprehend, I have eaten inflammatory foods - but I see them for what they are. Meaning, I log everything to do better with each new day. And the three donuts was meant to be logged as a .30 of one donut - meaning I took a bite from my daughter's donut, and logged it as three instead. Please, come over my diary - after all, I leave it open for a reason - to keep me accountable.
I do not get what you guys are missing - the difference is that while I eat optimally 90 % of the time, I have no problem calling out the 10% of cookies, candy or donuts as bad, dangerous, unhealthy etc. Whereas many of you eat poorly 60% of the time, not acknowledging the reality of it all, and instead walk around proud because it fits into some formula.
It is all very Emporor's New Clothes in mindset, but really keep enabling each other - I mean it really will end in optimal health and longevity - it has to because it is CICO!
Ya know, Trixie, your comments are very strange to me, very angry. I am trying to understand where you are coming from, but it seems to me that you are trying to come across as superior in your eating habits. Is that your intent?
The only food that is bad, dangerous and unhealthy is that which a person is allergic or intolerant to. Otherwise, food is food and we all have a choice as to what to eat. Everybody has a different way of eating as well.9 -
Trixiegirl66 wrote: »Here is the funny thing about the bully herd mentality and string of nasty comments - I couldn't care less about your ill informed opinions or character attacks. After reading the many rants, I wondered if blood sugar swings from all the "occasional" unhealthy treats you guys pass off as moderation were behind the rudeness.
I showed my daughter the string of comments and she laughed, saying "it is clear that mean girls grow into vicious women with jealous streaks." After all, my open food diary shows I indulge in treats regularly, and yet I am losing fat and increasing muscle mass because I know that a Big Mac and soda are not treats.
Please though, carry on with your If It Fits Your Macros logic, and watch where your body lands as it ages. After all, we are what we eat, and for this knowledge I am very grateful.
Trixie,
I'm not seeing any bully herd mentality here, just a bunch of people who are chiming into the conversation, hence "bully mentality" is your perception. In fact, your comments seem nasty to me, but I accept that this could be my perception only. It is what it is, and everybody has a right to their opinion. Oh by the way, you're way off on your comments about jealous streaks. I guarantee you, there is nothing to be jealous of.
That said, it's wonderful you have found a way of eating that works for you that does not include Big Macs or soda. I don't eat Big Macs or drink sodas either, but only because I don't like Big Macs (or fast food) and carbonated drinks, including soda, gives me severe heartburn. However, if I liked Big Macs and soda did not give me heartburn, I would have both in moderation.
I eat a well balanced diet, watch my macros, eat within my calorie goals most of the time, am an avid runner and weight lifter, have tons of energy, and I am at a healthy BMI. I am also 55 years old and grateful that I land on my beautiful two feet every single day. It's pure heaven knowing that I can eat the foods I love and still lose weight and maintain, or even gain weight if I want to do a bulk. Food is just food and I have control over it, it has no power over me. Food type is not what weight loss is about.
Finally, on your comment about gaining muscle mass; unless you are an obese newbie to weight loss, and weight lifting/strength training, you will not be gaining muscle mass. It's very difficult for women to gain muscle mass and it requires eating at maintenance or above and doing heavy weight lifting. Keep eating at a calorie deficit and weight lifting and you retain the muscle mass you already have.
I agree with these sentiments
But isn't the fundamental issue that OP wishes to lose weight, isn't doing so and doesn't understand why so has asked for help. And successful people who have lost weight and / or are in maintenance have pointed out the basic errors of inaccurate logging and not achieving a defecit
The rest seems to be rather a reaction to someone's knowledge base being threatened...But then if science and success can't sway your thought processes what will?
I don't eat McDonald's cos I think it tasted like plastic ...but I do like a good quality cheeseburger, generally home made1 -
Trixiegirl66 wrote: »Here is the funny thing about the bully herd mentality and string of nasty comments - I couldn't care less about your ill informed opinions or character attacks. After reading the many rants, I wondered if blood sugar swings from all the "occasional" unhealthy treats you guys pass off as moderation were behind the rudeness.
I showed my daughter the string of comments and she laughed, saying "it is clear that mean girls grow into vicious women with jealous streaks." After all, my open food diary shows I indulge in treats regularly, and yet I am losing fat and increasing muscle mass because I know that a Big Mac and soda are not treats.
Please though, carry on with your If It Fits Your Macros logic, and watch where your body lands as it ages. After all, we are what we eat, and for this knowledge I am very grateful.
You're being the nasty one here by throwing out comments about how certain woes affect how people look, how we're ignorant etc. What did your daughter say when she read that? There's one 'mean girl' here, and it isn't us. I'd be embarrassed and ashamed if I typed half of what you did and then showed my kids. Pathetic.10 -
This post has kind of gone off the rails... I hope the original poster got the info they needed. Because all that was wrong in the first place was the OP wasn't tracking calories at all... even though this is a calorie counting app.5
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Well catching up on this was quite a ride. Holy threadjack, Batman. My diary is closed because I'm accountable only to me for the time being.
I'm a vegetarian. My meals are usually low fat dairy, eggs (especially egg whites, which I prefer) vegetables, fruit, whole grains, legumes, tubers and some sources of vegetarian protein like Beyond Meat. My current favorite sources of healthy fats are walnuts and olive oil. I end almost every day with a big bowl of air-popped popcorn, it's propbably my biggest weakness.
On my long run days, I put some frozen fruit through my Yonanas machine and top it with Lite Hershey's syrup. Every now and then, when I go to the grocery store, I pick up a Snicker's bar. Since today is Halloween, today will probably be one of those days.
I guess I'm going to be one of those sugar spiked bullies today then, huh.
I'm 54 years old and not overly impressed with how I eat. That's the difference between me and you, Trixie. I just eat foods that I know keep me full and that I genuinely like. I don't pretend they make me superior to anyone else. I don't need to feel any other way about them. I like them. End of story. I don't need the validation of thinking that it's better to eat this way to keep doing this.12 -
Why are you logging food? So you remember the next day to eat healthier?Trixiegirl66 wrote: »No trolling, and for the last time - so please try and comprehend, I have eaten inflammatory foods - but I see them for what they are. Meaning, I log everything to do better with each new day. And the three donuts was meant to be logged as a .30 of one donut - meaning I took a bite from my daughter's donut, and logged it as three instead. Please, come over my diary - after all, I leave it open for a reason - to keep me accountable.
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Well this is hilarious. You eat treats, sugar laden Ines at that but because it's not a Big Mac or soda you're suddenly superior?
News flash. I never eat Big Macs (not my McDs of choice) and next to never have sofa because I'm just not much of a soda drinker and haven't been for about 15 years.
But yeah, that's my problem, blood sugar spikes making me a mean girl. I also look 10 years younger than I am, not because of my diet but genetics and good skincare. And I can say that confidently with my face on full show in my avatar.
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cerise_noir wrote: »Trixiegirl66 wrote: »Please all of you, go on a Big Mac bender. Talking to you people makes about as much sense as trying to talk to teens about the dangers of binge drinking or smoking. Again, we are what we eat - so yeah, good luck with that and have fun with the expedited aging process brought on by the inflammatory response of each and every burger that slides down the pie hole!
So it's your way or the highway?
Gotcha.
My dietitian read what you wrote...
Of course, she disagreed with everything and compared the information to Dr Oz. CICO was the very first thing my dietitian learned about when she attended University (QUT, Bachelor of Nutrition and Dietetics, a 4 year course).
I find it hypocritical how you eat the foods you blatantly criticize others for eating. Why? We're in the same boat. You act as if we shove Big Macs into our holes every day. I have a Big Mac maybe once every 2-3 months. I also how can you be an expert at deriving emotion from basic text? It is text and should be read with a lack of emotion. It is just information. However, you do sound so very argumentative, insulting and angry. You basically called me stupid in your first response to me. And speaking of maturity, showing your daughter these posts just so you have someone on your side speaks great volumes.
We are what we eat has to the be the most ridiculous saying in existence.
From what I have gathered, Trixiegirl66 feels she is miles ahead of the rest of us, simply because she calls her treats junk food and we just call it food. And that her treats are somehow better than our treats. It's merely a moralistic difference that has no basis in anything to do with CICO, health and weight management.
tl:dr: The body cares not what you call your food. And occasional inclusion of treats into a healthy and well-balanced diet has no detrimental impact on either weight loss *or* nutrition.
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Given I'm a total simpleton and Trixie is a journalism and nutrition major, I'd like it broken down to me exactly what specific off limits junk food contain that is causing hormone disruption and inflammation.
And given she's the one insisting it's a thing the burden is on her to do the explaining. Given wiring and nutrition are their areas of expertise, this should be a fairly simple exercise.6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Given I'm a total simpleton and Trixie is a journalism and nutrition major, I'd like it broken down to me exactly what specific off limits junk food contain that is causing hormone disruption and inflammation.
And given she's the one insisting it's a thing the burden is on her to do the explaining. Given wiring and nutrition are their areas of expertise, this should be a fairly simple exercise.
I'd also like it broken down to me why her diet thwarts her bad foods from disrupting her hormones and causing inflammation, but my diet doesn't thwart the same process because I believe in CICO.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Given I'm a total simpleton and Trixie is a journalism and nutrition major, I'd like it broken down to me exactly what specific off limits junk food contain that is causing hormone disruption and inflammation.
And given she's the one insisting it's a thing the burden is on her to do the explaining. Given wiring and nutrition are their areas of expertise, this should be a fairly simple exercise.
I'd also like it broken down to me why her diet thwarts her bad foods from disrupting her hormones and causing inflammation, but my diet doesn't thwart the same process because I believe in CICO.
Our dampened mental capacity probably couldn't handle the explanation.11 -
singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »
. Wow super unhealthy. How can anyone fit 560 calories into your day.
Just in case you didn't see it the first time. What is so absolutely horrible about this that eating it once in a while would put your health at huge risk.
It's not real meat. It's predominantly bleached beef that is unusable (in terms of things like roasts, etc). My DD works in fast food and has taken the time to read labels. She won't touch the stuff bc it is not "real" food. Btw, she's only 18 and can see the difference. I don't dispute CICO, I'm losing weight using it. The disparity is in the question of, is it nutritionally good for one's body? I will argue all day long that the answer to that is no.
As far as food affecting hormones. You bet your behind it does! Live in my world where my once 5yr old developed precocious puberty from the hormones in meat and dairy. It was her doctor who told us to use only non-hormone meat, dairy and avoid soy and we could likely stop it without using hormone drugs at 5yrs old. It took 6 months but we did stop it - using healthy, non-hormone foods. And yes, her doctor at the time was an MD.
So while wording may not be to your specifications, eating whole foods predominantly (because I like my treats as well) over eating horribly processed foods (like a Big Mac) does make a difference in one's health.
Moderation is always the key. In our home, the rule is 90% whole foods so that the 10% processed does not affect our health in a negative manner and allows for things like going out once in awhile or birthday parties, etc. without worrying about it. what we eat can go to either extreme. Neither extreme is good for us. Both put one in a ditch. As a good friend use to tell us, keep it between the ditches. This applies to most things in life. Including what we feed ourselves.2 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: ». Wow super unhealthy. How can anyone fit 560 calories into your day.
Just in case you didn't see it the first time. What is so absolutely horrible about this that eating it once in a while would put your health at huge risk.
It's not real meat. It's predominantly bleached beef that is unusable (in terms of things like roasts, etc). My DD works in fast food and has taken the time to read labels. She won't touch the stuff bc it is not "real" food. Btw, she's only 18 and can see the difference. I don't dispute CICO, I'm losing weight using it. The disparity is in the question of, is it nutritionally good for one's body? I will argue all day long that the answer to that is no.
As far as food affecting hormones. You bet your behind it does! Live in my world where my once 5yr old developed precocious puberty from the hormones in meat and dairy. It was her doctor who told us to use only non-hormone meat, dairy and avoid soy and we could likely stop it without using hormone drugs at 5yrs old. It took 6 months but we did stop it - using healthy, non-hormone foods. And yes, her doctor at the time was an MD.
So while wording may not be to your specifications, eating whole foods predominantly (because I like my treats as well) over eating horribly processed foods (like a Big Mac) does make a difference in one's health.
Moderation is always the key. In our home, the rule is 90% whole foods so that the 10% processed does not affect our health in a negative manner and allows for things like going out once in awhile or birthday parties, etc. without worrying about it. what we eat can go to either extreme. Neither extreme is good for us. Both put one in a ditch. As a good friend use to tell us, keep it between the ditches. This applies to most things in life. Including what we feed ourselves.
We have been saying moderation this while thread. Nothing wrong with it once in a while. It's the other poster on her high horse saying we should never eat fast food and soda who has a diary that includes fast food that we are commenting about. It's the holier than thou attitude we are talking about but I guessed you missed all our comments about moderation and zeroed in on this comment.1 -
It may be different in the US but in the UK the meat patties are literally just beef.
This video shows you everything in a Big Mac. The horror of it all.
http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/whatmakesmcdonalds/articles/how-is-mcdonalds-big-mac-burger-made.html
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And for clarity, Trixie is the one banging on about Big Macs and sodas but it transpires that most of us she thinks are terrible people advocating a diet full of those things rarely to never consume them! I have McDs maybe 2-3 times a year, never a Big Mac and usually sugar free soda or more commonly I just ask for water with my meal.
So there's the issue, an insistence build on false assertions that we're destroying our bodies when most of us eat a pretty well rounded diet very similar to Trixies who happens to eat quite a lot of sugar filled treats. But somehow the sugar in those is different to the sugar in soda. Or demonising those foods somehow makes her superior to those of us who just view food as food and a way to meet nutritional needs and some psychological needs.6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »And for clarity, Trixie is the one banging on about Big Macs and sodas but it transpires that most of us she thinks are terrible people advocating a diet full of those things rarely to never consume them! I have McDs maybe 2-3 times a year, never a Big Mac and usually sugar free soda or more commonly I just ask for water with my meal.
So there's the issue, an insistence build on false assertions that we're destroying our bodies when most of us eat a pretty well rounded diet very similar to Trixies who happens to eat quite a lot of sugar filled treats. But somehow the sugar in those is different to the sugar in soda. Or demonising those foods somehow makes her superior to those of us who just view food as food and a way to meet nutritional needs and some psychological needs.
I haven't had a big mac in years same with regular soda btw.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »I haven't had a big mac in years same with regular soda btw.
I have diet soda about 1-2 times a week. As far as Big Macs.. I don't buy them from McDonald's but I do tend to make them myself every once in a while for family dinners with the grand kids. We use 85-90% lean pure Angus Beef, multi-grain buns, our own special sauce, real cheese, and bread and butter pickles we make ourselves every spring. They are outstanding, low fat, low sugar, and fit in my macros easily.
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Spliner1969 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I haven't had a big mac in years same with regular soda btw.
I have diet soda about 1-2 times a week. As far as Big Macs.. I don't buy them from McDonald's but I do tend to make them myself every once in a while for family dinners with the grand kids. We use 85-90% lean pure Angus Beef, multi-grain buns, our own special sauce, real cheese, and bread and butter pickles we make ourselves every spring. They are outstanding, low fat, low sugar, and fit in my macros easily.
Minus the soda, this is what we do. If we want something like that we just make it from scratch at home. I am very picky about organic and hormone free but the point is there are easy ways to make what we want at home using whole foods that I would argue is healthier. I'm not sure too many people would argue made from home is both better nutritionally and caloric wise. But we also don't do any fast food ever. Our life experience and reading/studying brought us to that conclusion but a person will not convince others of that unless/until a person has a need/desire to know the difference. That was true for us and has been for most of my altie friends. For the people I know it's usually illness that leads them in an organic, whole foods direction.
And no, I haven't read the entire thread. About half. Hard to read and type on the treadmill. Lol.1 -
I don't even eat meat. No Big Macs here. My big vice is popcorn. A whole-grain food. I air pop my own and spray it with olive oil.
The horror, because I like a Snickers bar every now and then. And some cookies. I'm still mad at Trader Joe's for no longer making my gluten free ginger snaps. BTW, Trixie, I actually need to avoid gluten since I have celiac disease, I'm not listening to psuedo science about it like you are.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't even eat meat. No Big Macs here. My big vice is popcorn. A whole-grain food. I air pop my own and spray it with olive oil.
The horror, because I like a Snickers bar every now and then. And some cookies. I'm still mad at Trader Joe's for no longer making my gluten free ginger snaps. BTW, Trixie, I actually need to avoid gluten since I have celiac disease, I'm not listening to psuedo science about it like you are.
They don't make those anymore? Those were really good.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't even eat meat. No Big Macs here. My big vice is popcorn. A whole-grain food. I air pop my own and spray it with olive oil.
The horror, because I like a Snickers bar every now and then. And some cookies. I'm still mad at Trader Joe's for no longer making my gluten free ginger snaps. BTW, Trixie, I actually need to avoid gluten since I have celiac disease, I'm not listening to psuedo science about it like you are.
They don't make those anymore? Those were really good.
I go once a week and keep looking. I haven't seen them in ages. I loved them with a cup of tea. And a serving felt nice, you know? Five cookies was great! They had such a nice gingery bite to them.0 -
Trixiegirl66 wrote: »Please all of you, go on a Big Mac bender. Talking to you people makes about as much sense as trying to talk to teens about the dangers of binge drinking or smoking. Again, we are what we eat - so yeah, good luck with that and have fun with the expedited aging process brought on by the inflammatory response of each and every burger that slides down the pie hole!
I would like to know the science supporting your Five Guys burgers bein somehow healthier than Big Macs. The burger from Five Guys is 840 calories; a Big Mc is 560. What in that extra 290 caliries mmake the burger from Five Guys healthier?5 -
For me CICO is a poor instrument due to:
- Estimation or measure calorie in
- Estimation or measure calorie out (your BMR is the majority here)
- How does your food choice affect your BMR, your hormones, regulation, etc?
Also fat loss and gain is not linear, e.g. if I weigh 100kg, and ate so that I would lose 1kg / week, would I be 20kg in 80 weeks? or vv if I ate so I gained 1 kg / week, would I be 350 kg in 5 years? - probably not...
The questions for me are:
- Why do we eat more than we need? - What is the cause? e.g. certain food might trigger cravings, or doesn't makes us full...
- Why are we having cravings?
- Why isn't our bodies regulating?
i.e. for me the type of food and macros are more important, and I believe this is highly individual
good summary from (https://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/):
Bottom Line: Different foods go through different metabolic pathways. Some foods can cause hormone changes that encourage weight gain, while other foods can increase satiety and boost the metabolic rate.2 -
Authority nutrition is not a good source8
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: ». Wow super unhealthy. How can anyone fit 560 calories into your day.
Just in case you didn't see it the first time. What is so absolutely horrible about this that eating it once in a while would put your health at huge risk.
It's not real meat. It's predominantly bleached beef that is unusable (in terms of things like roasts, etc). My DD works in fast food and has taken the time to read labels. She won't touch the stuff bc it is not "real" food. Btw, she's only 18 and can see the difference. I don't dispute CICO, I'm losing weight using it. The disparity is in the question of, is it nutritionally good for one's body? I will argue all day long that the answer to that is no.
As far as food affecting hormones. You bet your behind it does! Live in my world where my once 5yr old developed precocious puberty from the hormones in meat and dairy. It was her doctor who told us to use only non-hormone meat, dairy and avoid soy and we could likely stop it without using hormone drugs at 5yrs old. It took 6 months but we did stop it - using healthy, non-hormone foods. And yes, her doctor at the time was an MD.
So while wording may not be to your specifications, eating whole foods predominantly (because I like my treats as well) over eating horribly processed foods (like a Big Mac) does make a difference in one's health.
Moderation is always the key. In our home, the rule is 90% whole foods so that the 10% processed does not affect our health in a negative manner and allows for things like going out once in awhile or birthday parties, etc. without worrying about it. what we eat can go to either extreme. Neither extreme is good for us. Both put one in a ditch. As a good friend use to tell us, keep it between the ditches. This applies to most things in life. Including what we feed ourselves.
but hormones can also be disrupted by many things other than foods. certain diseases,health issues,medications,etc so you cant blame just food. The OP stated she fixed her hormone imbalances by basically cutting out certain things and eating better,which I dont see how thats possible when what her diary showed did not back up her claims(eating better and avoiding certain foods that cause these issues). as for precocious puberty its usually caused from problems with the ovaries, testicles, adrenal glands or pituitary gland.It can also be caused by tumors,defects in the brain,etc.Do you have proof that hormones in food is what caused your nieces issue? or is that just what your nieces parents believe?dr told you? etc?4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: ». Wow super unhealthy. How can anyone fit 560 calories into your day.
Just in case you didn't see it the first time. What is so absolutely horrible about this that eating it once in a while would put your health at huge risk.
It's not real meat. It's predominantly bleached beef that is unusable (in terms of things like roasts, etc). My DD works in fast food and has taken the time to read labels. She won't touch the stuff bc it is not "real" food. Btw, she's only 18 and can see the difference. I don't dispute CICO, I'm losing weight using it. The disparity is in the question of, is it nutritionally good for one's body? I will argue all day long that the answer to that is no.
As far as food affecting hormones. You bet your behind it does! Live in my world where my once 5yr old developed precocious puberty from the hormones in meat and dairy. It was her doctor who told us to use only non-hormone meat, dairy and avoid soy and we could likely stop it without using hormone drugs at 5yrs old. It took 6 months but we did stop it - using healthy, non-hormone foods. And yes, her doctor at the time was an MD.
So while wording may not be to your specifications, eating whole foods predominantly (because I like my treats as well) over eating horribly processed foods (like a Big Mac) does make a difference in one's health.
Moderation is always the key. In our home, the rule is 90% whole foods so that the 10% processed does not affect our health in a negative manner and allows for things like going out once in awhile or birthday parties, etc. without worrying about it. what we eat can go to either extreme. Neither extreme is good for us. Both put one in a ditch. As a good friend use to tell us, keep it between the ditches. This applies to most things in life. Including what we feed ourselves.
but hormones can also be disrupted by many things other than foods. certain diseases,health issues,medications,etc so you cant blame just food. The OP stated she fixed her hormone imbalances by basically cutting out certain things and eating better,which I dont see how thats possible when what her diary showed did not back up her claims(eating better and avoiding certain foods that cause these issues). as for precocious puberty its usually caused from problems with the ovaries, testicles, adrenal glands or pituitary gland.It can also be caused by tumors,defects in the brain,etc.Do you have proof that hormones in food is what caused your nieces issue? or is that just what your nieces parents believe?dr told you? etc?
First, it was my daughter, not my niece. Second, the ONLY change we made was going hormone and antibiotic free in our food, and removing soy. Precocious puberty can also be caused by hormones that are used to grow animals faster, fatter, and to make them produce more milk. We humans eat the meat and dairy and those hormones are in the food. They don't just magically disappear once they kill an animal or take it's milk. Hormones can also be affected by certain types of plastics, things in skin care products, etc. We are careful of all of these things (but I didn't learn about those until much later; our initial change was only food). She has/had no other hormone issues (tumors, cysts, etc). If she did, I'm pretty sure we'd know it by now at 18yrs old. Not everyone is going to be susceptible to having their body affected by hormones in food. Just like not everyone is susceptible to T2 diabetes, or heart disease, etc. Unfortunately, we often don't know what our susceptibilities are UNTIL something happens to our health (and every human as genetic susceptibilities). So our family chooses to stick to a largely whole foods diet (again, we do our treats too). Just because others want to call alternative anything "woo" does not make alternative medicine or diets untrue or unneeded. But again, it is pointless talking to people about it that don't want to hear or think they have a leg up because of "science." Science often catches up with the alternative world and when people want/need to know what their food can and does do to their bodies, they'll go looking. There's plenty of information in existence to learn from. Our DD was our first experience with anything organic/whole foods/changing from a SAD diet. From there it was family cancer, almost losing our son to illness, etc. We've walked enough roads health wise to see and know that food quality does make a difference in health.
That said, it's still not worth wasting breath arguing on this forum. People are here for weight loss or gain and CICO is the method this forum teaches for that purpose, and it works. How individuals choose to work within CICO is up to them (I'm speaking nutritionally). My issue is when someone throws out options (answering someone's specific question/s) that others find foreign or disagree with, they can't just let it be and let people study for themselves and decide what will work for them. I'm a freedom lover and hard core on informed consent. By it's very nature, informed consent means being exposed to multiple sides of an issue and making a choice. Are there ways that things can be presented so as not to be rude, etc.? Sure. Presentation will always matter. But however someone chooses to present their side, having multiple sides to look at is never a bad thing.
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Im not saying it wasnt caused from food,Im saying it can be caused by other things as well,I just asked how you can be sure it was the foods? even though she has no tumors or other issues how do you know that she didnt have issues with her ovaries? pituitary glands,also the brain can have a defect that can signal the release of hormones as well.could have been that as well. not everything wrong with us can be diagnosed or tested.I also wasnt being rude about it,I was just asking how you had proof that the food caused it? are you saying that once you noticed she was going through puberty you changed her diet and it stopped happening? you also know that for some going through puberty young is also genetic as well. Im not saying that her issues were caused by this or that I was just asking how can you be sure it wasnt something that didnt show up in tests(if they were done)? I had a relative whom started having periods when she was 6 and this was back in the 50s, before they started adding hormones and what not to foods. it happens a lot in my moms side of the family,for them its genetic,4
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singingflutelady wrote: »Authority nutrition is not a good source
awesome reply, so you agree or disagree with the statement?0 -
I disagree. Just because it's hard to accurately measure ci and co doesn't mean that cico doesn't work. CICO occurs automatically. Sure some things take a tiny amount of extra calories to digest but it's pretty insignificant in the realm of things.
Also weight loss isn't fat loss only. You lose water as well or you retain water which can throw off the scales.
The point of mentioning authority nutrition is that many people cite it when it isn't a good source. If you want to make a case for aomething people generally will take you more seriously if you cite peer reviewed scientific studies.2
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