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One of the most debated topics: Starvation Mode
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Verity1111 wrote: »There is debate though. I personally don't have an opinion but I see a lot of people who think it's a real thing.
I know people who believe in chemtrails, and there are people who believe the moon landing never happened. It's pretty hard to debate derp.
There was just a long thread about homeopathic medicine in another subforum, which is some of the derpiest derp that ever did derp. But you can't debate with a True Believer because their mind is already made up and they'll just ignore the volumes of established science which say otherwise.
But there's evidence !!
http://www.thebestofrawfood.com/what-are-chemtrails.html2 -
From what I have read and interpret it does exist but your body fat has to drop below like 5 percent for it to kick in. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/81391 read about it yourself. There was a study done by the US army after WW2. look it up and come to your own conclusions. I think most ppl can agree It wont occur in two or three weeks it takes a extreme calorie restriction and a long time period. like less than 600 a day.
For instance my daughter had bariatic surgery and she could only eat 300-600 calories per day for several months but her BF ratio was probably close to 40 percent so the "starvation mode" wont kick until her BF ratio dropped to a certain point. Like others have said "Starvation mode" is not the correct term. So if you have over 20 percent body fat I would not worry. Start getting below 10 then you might want to think about it. Again to your own research from reputable resources. There is plenty of Bro Science.2 -
Metabolic adaptation and adaptive thermogenesis are things. Starvation mode is not.
Not seeing a loss on the scale for a few weeks isn't a plateau or a stall (assuming accuracy of CICO).
There is nothing to debate other than the persistent misunderstanding of how human physiology works.
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VintageFeline wrote: »Metabolic adaptation and adaptive thermogenesis are things. Starvation mode is not.
Not seeing a loss on the scale for a few weeks isn't a plateau or a stall (assuming accuracy of CICO).
There is nothing to debate other than the persistent misunderstanding of how human physiology works.
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Yes, this.
Some call metabolic adaptation "starve mode" or "starvation mode," which would be fine except there's this irritating misunderstanding that "starvation mode" means that if you eat too little you can't lose and will even put on extra fat, which makes no sense. It means people worry that they have to eat within some narrow range to be able to lose and that they might not be losing because eating too little.
And yes, of course adding in new exercise can lead to a temporary gain of water weight, but that has nothing to do with starvation mode. I ran a half marathon on Sunday and then flew--darn right I was up because of water weight early this week, but that's not because I was exercising too hard or am in any kind of mode. It's normal.5 -
To believe in starvation mode you have to have no understanding of biology. I use the word "believe" as there is nothing more to this. You can certainly choose to believe in starvation mode, but you would still be wrong.
There is an increasing sector of the population that has no idea how to properly source information and don't understand scientific method enough to understand what information is provable/reproducible and what is not. Most cannot look outside themselves to even entertain the notion that they could be wrong. The process never moves beyond - I skipped McDonalds this week and I gained weight - so starvation mode is real!
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Verity1111 wrote: »There is debate though. I personally don't have an opinion but I see a lot of people who think it's a real thing.
I know people who believe in chemtrails, and there are people who believe the moon landing never happened. It's pretty hard to debate derp.
There was just a long thread about homeopathic medicine in another subforum, which is some of the derpiest derp that ever did derp. But you can't debate with a True Believer because their mind is already made up and they'll just ignore the volumes of established science which say otherwise.
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I don't understand this correlation. Please explain.1 -
mikelecarta wrote: »
Authority Nutrition is a joke. Clickbait woo site which is about equal with Dr. Oz as a reliable information source.
How about this one instead, which discusses it in terms of actual science and biology and stuff? http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/6 -
No one will ever be able to convince me that someone who is 50-100-200lbs overweight is starving or their body has gone into starvation mode :huh: Their bodies have a lot of fat to live off before they are skin and bone and actually in any danger...6
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Verity1111 wrote: »There is debate though. I personally don't have an opinion but I see a lot of people who think it's a real thing.
I know people who believe in chemtrails, and there are people who believe the moon landing never happened. It's pretty hard to debate derp.
There was just a long thread about homeopathic medicine in another subforum, which is some of the derpiest derp that ever did derp. But you can't debate with a True Believer because their mind is already made up and they'll just ignore the volumes of established science which say otherwise.
You forgot to mic-drop at the end.
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Verity1111 wrote: »
Only if your motive is to troll rather than have an intellectually honest debate.10 -
Ha, ha! Chemtrails in the mind. The uninformed.1
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I am of the mind that if one wants to believe in certain things and are unable to listen and learn from people who can interpret the science and only wants to disagree then there's not much one can do.
Stay in a circle of belief or drop the defenses and learn. Everyone has a choice.3 -
Verity1111 wrote: »There is debate though. I personally don't have an opinion but I see a lot of people who think it's a real thing.
If someone wants to believe that the calories in broken oreos don't count because the calories leak out, I'm more than willing to let them.
Simply because someone believes a thing doesn't mean it's worth one second of my time to refute it.10 -
CipherZero wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »There is debate though. I personally don't have an opinion but I see a lot of people who think it's a real thing.
If someone wants to believe that the calories in broken oreos don't count because the calories leak out, I'm more than willing to let them.
Simply because someone believes a thing doesn't mean it's worth one second of my time to refute it.
brb snapping all my oreos in half18 -
OP, if you want to know more about adaptive thermogenesis, here is a good thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1077746/starvation-mode-adaptive-thermogenesis-and-weight-loss/p10
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CipherZero wrote: »If someone wants to believe that the calories in broken oreos don't count because the calories leak out...
Huh. I didn't know that.0 -
NorthCascades wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »If someone wants to believe that the calories in broken oreos don't count because the calories leak out...
Huh. I didn't know that.
I'm mainlining crushed Oreos as we speak.8 -
Why do you keep starting threads asking for opinions and then get offended when people give you opinions? Especially in the debate forum.15
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I'll take "what is attention?" For 1000, Alex.26
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