"Do Carbs make me fat"
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virgilnewman37 wrote: »The answer is YES! I grew up on a farm, and we fed our hogs nothing but carbs to fatten them up. Same is true for beef cattle. Corn(a carb) is the favorite food to fatten them up. There is absolutely no socially redeeming value to empty carbs.... only the good carbs like cabbabe, cale carrots, spinach,tomatoes,onions, garlic, asparagus, beets, etc that have the vitamins and minerals. But can I leave the empty carb stuff alone??? Heck no, I just had three cookies and a bottle of sweet tea today which destroyed my diet. But I'll do better tomorrow....
Corn is an empty carb? Wut?
Overeating makes you fat.7 -
Noooooooo. If It Fits Your Macros and you are eating at a deficit you'll lose weight.
I roll my eyes every time I hear this because at my first go at losing weight I was not restricting carbs in anyway. Oatmeal for breakfast, lunch was usually some sort of quinoa salad with beans and veggies or maybe avo toast with eggs. Dinner was typically balanced with a protein, with a grain and vegetable. I was eating mostly vegetarian so eating high protein without supplements like whey powder was hard, so I ended up eating pretty close to the way MFP recommends with the majority going to carbs. It's worth mentioning I was also half marathon training so I needed all those carbs but if you're at all active carbs aren't going to hurt you.1 -
virgilnewman37 wrote: »The answer is YES! I grew up on a farm, and we fed our hogs nothing but carbs to fatten them up. Same is true for beef cattle. Corn(a carb) is the favorite food to fatten them up. There is absolutely no socially redeeming value to empty carbs.... only the good carbs like cabbabe, cale carrots, spinach,tomatoes,onions, garlic, asparagus, beets, etc that have the vitamins and minerals. But can I leave the empty carb stuff alone??? Heck no, I just had three cookies and a bottle of sweet tea today which destroyed my diet. But I'll do better tomorrow....
I'm not sure why we're comparing people to hogs, but have you considered the hogs gained weight because they were eating at a surplus? Carbs like wheat and corn are more calorie sense than vegetables, so obviously a pound of rice will have more calories than a pound of cabbage.
Also, whole wheat, brown rice, oatmeal, etc has fiber and plenty of other nutrients in it. I agree white processed flours are empty, but nothing wrong with a whole grain.5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
The term I think you might be after is refined carbs. Simple carbs include things like apples. Complex carbs include things like dreaded white bread.
Won't comment on insulin resistance, but it seems you aren't totally up on complex vs simple. Simple just means it has one or two sugars, so apples are, yes, simple, but so is table sugar. It means we process them quickly, creating an energy spike.
Complex carbs have three or more. Yes, white bread is considered complex, but so is whole wheat or whole grain bread and many veggies.
The key is glycemic index tells us how quickly the food raises our blood sugar. Low gi raises our blood sugar more slowly than high gi foods. Apples are low gi, wheat bread and whole grains are medium and white bread, highly processed grains, candy and such are high. You feel fuller longer with low/med gi foods because they take longer to digest because of fiber content.
Even so, they're not good or bad, they don't make you fat or thin, etc. Too many high gi foods can spike your blood sugar fast, which can be less healthy, esp. if you're diabetic.
For those of you interested in sources, Harvard School of Public Health.
And, for the original question, no. Eating too much makes you fat. Whether is is carbs or fat or protien, candy or bread or fruit, beef or pork or chicken or whatever, too much is too much. And without proper fiber, we don't eliminate properly, which gets unpleasant and ugly really fast.0 -
GI is only relevant if you eat a particular food in isolation and in a fasted state. Other foods and your existing gut contents will mitigate the GI. Also worth noting is that protein spikes insulin in a manner and quantity almost identical to carbohydrates.
Considering GI isn't particularly relevant to anything unless you have a medical reason to do so.5 -
virgilnewman37 wrote: »The answer is YES! I grew up on a farm, and we fed our hogs nothing but carbs to fatten them up. Same is true for beef cattle. Corn(a carb) is the favorite food to fatten them up. There is absolutely no socially redeeming value to empty carbs.... only the good carbs like cabbabe, cale carrots, spinach,tomatoes,onions, garlic, asparagus, beets, etc that have the vitamins and minerals. But can I leave the empty carb stuff alone??? Heck no, I just had three cookies and a bottle of sweet tea today which destroyed my diet. But I'll do better tomorrow....
The reason they fatten up is that they are being fed at a calorie surplus, and well, they are in the growth cycle of their life. Thus, the cattle would grow on grass as well, just slower because grass has less calorie density than corn or other grains. That means it is most cost effective to fatten cattle with corn or grain because they have the calorie to grow faster meaning less time from birth to shipping out.5 -
Not to even mention the fact that cows are herbivores/ruminants in the first place, so what else would you feed them than primarily carb-sourced nutrition?rileysowner wrote: »virgilnewman37 wrote: »The answer is YES! I grew up on a farm, and we fed our hogs nothing but carbs to fatten them up. Same is true for beef cattle. Corn(a carb) is the favorite food to fatten them up. There is absolutely no socially redeeming value to empty carbs.... only the good carbs like cabbabe, cale carrots, spinach,tomatoes,onions, garlic, asparagus, beets, etc that have the vitamins and minerals. But can I leave the empty carb stuff alone??? Heck no, I just had three cookies and a bottle of sweet tea today which destroyed my diet. But I'll do better tomorrow....
The reason they fatten up is that they are being fed at a calorie surplus, and well, they are in the growth cycle of their life. Thus, the cattle would grow on grass as well, just slower because grass has less calorie density than corn or other grains. That means it is most cost effective to fatten cattle with corn or grain because they have the calorie to grow faster meaning less time from birth to shipping out.
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No.virgilnewman37 wrote: »The answer is YES! I grew up on a farm, and we fed our hogs nothing but carbs to fatten them up. Same is true for beef cattle. Corn(a carb) is the favorite food to fatten them up. There is absolutely no socially redeeming value to empty carbs.... only the good carbs like cabbabe, cale carrots, spinach,tomatoes,onions, garlic, asparagus, beets, etc that have the vitamins and minerals. But can I leave the empty carb stuff alone??? Heck no, I just had three cookies and a bottle of sweet tea today which destroyed my diet. But I'll do better tomorrow....
Nothing wrong with any carb.
And you didn't destroy anything by eating 3 cookies if they fit in your calories.
And carbs are NOT empty. Carbs are energy. Cookies are not just carbs, but also fat. Oreos also have a decent amount of iron.
The only reason carbs are used for livestock fattening is they're CHEAP in large quantities to feed in large quantities to fatten livestock up. All mammals will gain weight if fed more than they need to maintain their weight. And, cows typically are carb eaters, and carbs are cheaper to feed to pigs in large quantity for weight gain. It's not actually the carbs causing weight gain, but the amount.
Carbs, protein, fat... it doesn't matter which one, will cause weight gain if over maintenance.
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Lettuce will make you fat if you eat enough...along with literally every food that ever existed.4
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Carbs make you... yuge. Like, Massive. Like, planetoidenal drawing gravity huge.
In fact, carbs single-handedly account for the world obesity epidemic, the election of Donal Trump, the not-election of Hillary Clinton AND recent studies point to their hand in global warming. Carbs have also been shown to have played a large role in the formation and continuing influence of The Illuminati, not to mention the Instagram Booty Girl epidemic.
Avoid Carbs. So fattening. So evil. So sad.17 -
virgilnewman37 wrote: »The answer is YES! I grew up on a farm, and we fed our hogs nothing but carbs to fatten them up. Same is true for beef cattle. Corn(a carb) is the favorite food to fatten them up. There is absolutely no socially redeeming value to empty carbs.... only the good carbs like cabbabe, cale carrots, spinach,tomatoes,onions, garlic, asparagus, beets, etc that have the vitamins and minerals. But can I leave the empty carb stuff alone??? Heck no, I just had three cookies and a bottle of sweet tea today which destroyed my diet. But I'll do better tomorrow....
Neeeegative. Your empty carbs gave your diet a nice warm huuuug. Yum!
Science and stuff:
An empty carb has your body like, "Thanks for the energy, Lady!"
A complex carb has your body like, "Thanks for the energy and the bonus of fiber and extra vitamins and minerals, Dude!"
Too much of either has your body like, "Can't use the energy now but thanks for the storage material, You!"13 -
Hormones mean nothing! Neurotransmitters mean nothing!0
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cerise_noir wrote: »
What if you cut the crusts off and cut corner to corner to make four triangles?7 -
Modern farm animals are pretty lean. We say "fatten them up" but livestock are also putting on a pretty decent layer of muscle on that corn diet.2
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Absolutely it's excess calories that makes you fat.
But for me personally, when I overeat, carbs are guaranteed to be involved.0 -
These were the main culprits in my weight gain :
Popcorn
pretzels
chocolate biscuits
breakfast cereal
pasta
pastries
Yes they're all carby foods, and for me carbs beget more carbs. But if I'm to be totally honest, i got fat because i ate too many calories, it's not the carbs fault, i just lack willpower around certain foods.
And yes, if i reduce carbs my cravings and appetite reduce too. I have more self control around protein and fat type foods. Whereas one bowl of cereal will lead to another, one donut will turn in to two.
Does my body and mind react like a piglet when i eat carbs, is it lack of self control and willpower, or is it a smattering of all of them...
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For me? Yeah. Carbs make me fat.
When carbs go up, my fat intake goes down and my hunger goes up. I am hungrier when I eat more carbs.
I'm also more fatigued when I eat more carbs and experience large blood glucose swings (reactive hypoglycemia) which also drives my appetite.
I can't ignore hunger and cravings that are present so much when I eat higher carbs. I can't really ignore the shakes and cold sweats from plummeting BG every 2 hours after I ate. I ate more for those reasons. I gained weight.
Plus I gained about 20lbs in the year after I became insulin resistant (most likely due to steroids to treat autoimmune issues). I was not aware that I was eating 200 kcal more per day but I must have. Nothing else in my life changed but my higher levels of insulin. I ate moderate to high carb so I'm guessing my insulin was pretty high. Did it help me store fat more effectively? Make me hungrier and eat more? Coincidence? Who knows. I'll never eat that way again so I can't test it.
If I eat very few carbs, I am less hungry, more energetic, and healthier. All of that leads to weight loss. I also seem to have the CO of CICO slightly raised when I avoid many carbs, and drop when I eat a lot of carbs.
Carbs lead to weight gain for me. YMMV.1 -
absolutely! Carbs can make you fat. Fat can make you fat. Protein can make you fat. If you overeat on any of them often yes, they will make you fat
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virgilnewman37 wrote: »The answer is YES! I grew up on a farm, and we fed our hogs nothing but carbs to fatten them up. Same is true for beef cattle. Corn(a carb) is the favorite food to fatten them up. There is absolutely no socially redeeming value to empty carbs.... only the good carbs like cabbabe, cale carrots, spinach,tomatoes,onions, garlic, asparagus, beets, etc that have the vitamins and minerals. But can I leave the empty carb stuff alone??? Heck no, I just had three cookies and a bottle of sweet tea today which destroyed my diet. But I'll do better tomorrow....
Corn isn't an empty carb. It's rich in fiber, vitamins (especially things like the B vitamins), has a decent whack of protein for a vegetable, and minerals.
Corn was one of the three staple crops which nourished whole societies of MesoAmericans.
I eat popcorn every single day.
Strong first post.
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melaniedscott wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
The term I think you might be after is refined carbs. Simple carbs include things like apples. Complex carbs include things like dreaded white bread.
Won't comment on insulin resistance, but it seems you aren't totally up on complex vs simple. Simple just means it has one or two sugars, so apples are, yes, simple, but so is table sugar. It means we process them quickly, creating an energy spike.
Complex carbs have three or more. Yes, white bread is considered complex, but so is whole wheat or whole grain bread and many veggies.
The key is glycemic index tells us how quickly the food raises our blood sugar. Low gi raises our blood sugar more slowly than high gi foods. Apples are low gi, wheat bread and whole grains are medium and white bread, highly processed grains, candy and such are high. You feel fuller longer with low/med gi foods because they take longer to digest because of fiber content.
Even so, they're not good or bad, they don't make you fat or thin, etc. Too many high gi foods can spike your blood sugar fast, which can be less healthy, esp. if you're diabetic.
For those of you interested in sources, Harvard School of Public Health.
And, for the original question, no. Eating too much makes you fat. Whether is is carbs or fat or protien, candy or bread or fruit, beef or pork or chicken or whatever, too much is too much. And without proper fiber, we don't eliminate properly, which gets unpleasant and ugly really fast.
If you agreed with what I said were simple and complex carbs... how was I not "up" on what was simple and complex?
I was referring to what the other poster said when I said the word "refined". I'm well aware of what simple and complex carbs are, thanks, though.
As for GI, since most foods aren't eaten in isolation, it's a mostly irrelevant metric for everyone save diabetics.
See: studies on mixed meals GI impact.5 -
For me? Yeah. Carbs make me fat.
When carbs go up, my fat intake goes down and my hunger goes up. I am hungrier when I eat more carbs.
I'm also more fatigued when I eat more carbs and experience large blood glucose swings (reactive hypoglycemia) which also drives my appetite.
I can't ignore hunger and cravings that are present so much when I eat higher carbs. I can't really ignore the shakes and cold sweats from plummeting BG every 2 hours after I ate. I ate more for those reasons. I gained weight.
Plus I gained about 20lbs in the year after I became insulin resistant (most likely due to steroids to treat autoimmune issues). I was not aware that I was eating 200 kcal more per day but I must have. Nothing else in my life changed but my higher levels of insulin. I ate moderate to high carb so I'm guessing my insulin was pretty high. Did it help me store fat more effectively? Make me hungrier and eat more? Coincidence? Who knows. I'll never eat that way again so I can't test it.
If I eat very few carbs, I am less hungry, more energetic, and healthier. All of that leads to weight loss. I also seem to have the CO of CICO slightly raised when I avoid many carbs, and drop when I eat a lot of carbs.
Carbs lead to weight gain for me. YMMV.
I would have to ask tho how many calories are you taking in? When you compare a low carb diet to a high carbs diet and both have the same amount of calories matched then there shouldn't be a difference.4 -
Umm what does this sentence mean?
How are carbs, or any macro, or any inanimate matter, socially redeeming or not ???
anyway I successfully lost weight without any cutting down of carbs - other than cutting down to reach my right calorie level2 -
melaniedscott wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
The term I think you might be after is refined carbs. Simple carbs include things like apples. Complex carbs include things like dreaded white bread.
Won't comment on insulin resistance, but it seems you aren't totally up on complex vs simple. Simple just means it has one or two sugars, so apples are, yes, simple, but so is table sugar. It means we process them quickly, creating an energy spike.
Complex carbs have three or more. Yes, white bread is considered complex, but so is whole wheat or whole grain bread and many veggies.
Umm, not sure why you think this is different from what BurnEm said. Weird.
And as you can see by the examples, being "simple" or "complex" has nothing to do with how satiating the food that contains the carbs is or how nutritious, so the idea that we should avoid simple carbs and eat complex is not nutritionally sound advice.
As for how quickly the carbs are digested, that has to do with a variety of things, including especially what else is eaten with them.The key is glycemic index tells us how quickly the food raises our blood sugar. Low gi raises our blood sugar more slowly than high gi foods.
This is not the same as simple vs. complex carbs. It is also (1) irrelevant (it is GL that matters -- fruit actually tends to have high GI, as do carrots, but not GL), (2) even GL of an individual food is irrelevant if you eat it with other foods -- the meal as a whole is what matters, and (3) even still generally irrelevant unless you have a problem with insulin resistance, which many of us do not.
They have tried to make a connection with GI and satiety and generally failed (and satiety is pretty individual). For example, roasted potatoes have a high GI, but tend to score high on satiety tests.
I know this is something people pick up from all kinds of sources and it's a simplistic way to divide between foods, but it really is way over-emphasized. If you eat a healthy diet with lots of vegetables and other whole food carbs, as well as a nice balance with healthy fats and protein, the diet as a whole won't be particularly high GI, and that seems way more evidence-based than obsessing about individual foods as if they were eaten alone.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »Umm what does this sentence mean?
How are carbs, or any macro, or any inanimate matter, socially redeeming or not ???
anyway I successfully lost weight without any cutting down of carbs - other than cutting down to reach my right calorie level
Wheat and corn not socially redeeming.
Just another attack on the midwest, am I right?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »melaniedscott wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
The term I think you might be after is refined carbs. Simple carbs include things like apples. Complex carbs include things like dreaded white bread.
Won't comment on insulin resistance, but it seems you aren't totally up on complex vs simple. Simple just means it has one or two sugars, so apples are, yes, simple, but so is table sugar. It means we process them quickly, creating an energy spike.
Complex carbs have three or more. Yes, white bread is considered complex, but so is whole wheat or whole grain bread and many veggies.
Umm, not sure why you think this is different from what BurnEm said. Weird.
And as you can see by the examples, being "simple" or "complex" has nothing to do with how satiating the food that contains the carbs is or how nutritious, so the idea that we should avoid simple carbs and eat complex is not nutritionally sound advice.
As for how quickly the carbs are digested, that has to do with a variety of things, including especially what else is eaten with them.The key is glycemic index tells us how quickly the food raises our blood sugar. Low gi raises our blood sugar more slowly than high gi foods.
This is not the same as simple vs. complex carbs. It is also (1) irrelevant (it is GL that matters -- fruit actually tends to have high GI, as do carrots, but not GL), (2) even GL of an individual food is irrelevant if you eat it with other foods -- the meal as a whole is what matters, and (3) even still generally irrelevant unless you have a problem with insulin resistance, which many of us do not.
They have tried to make a connection with GI and satiety and generally failed (and satiety is pretty individual). For example, roasted potatoes have a high GI, but tend to score high on satiety tests.
I know this is something people pick up from all kinds of sources and it's a simplistic way to divide between foods, but it really is way over-emphasized. If you eat a healthy diet with lots of vegetables and other whole food carbs, as well as a nice balance with healthy fats and protein, the diet as a whole won't be particularly high GI, and that seems way more evidence-based than obsessing about individual foods as if they were eaten alone.
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BarryBrownFitness wrote: »I would love to find out we're it came from "Carbs make you fat"
Check out Food Matters on Netflix.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »melaniedscott wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
The term I think you might be after is refined carbs. Simple carbs include things like apples. Complex carbs include things like dreaded white bread.
Won't comment on insulin resistance, but it seems you aren't totally up on complex vs simple. Simple just means it has one or two sugars, so apples are, yes, simple, but so is table sugar. It means we process them quickly, creating an energy spike.
Complex carbs have three or more. Yes, white bread is considered complex, but so is whole wheat or whole grain bread and many veggies.
Umm, not sure why you think this is different from what BurnEm said. Weird.
And as you can see by the examples, being "simple" or "complex" has nothing to do with how satiating the food that contains the carbs is or how nutritious, so the idea that we should avoid simple carbs and eat complex is not nutritionally sound advice.
As for how quickly the carbs are digested, that has to do with a variety of things, including especially what else is eaten with them.The key is glycemic index tells us how quickly the food raises our blood sugar. Low gi raises our blood sugar more slowly than high gi foods.
This is not the same as simple vs. complex carbs. It is also (1) irrelevant (it is GL that matters -- fruit actually tends to have high GI, as do carrots, but not GL), (2) even GL of an individual food is irrelevant if you eat it with other foods -- the meal as a whole is what matters, and (3) even still generally irrelevant unless you have a problem with insulin resistance, which many of us do not.
They have tried to make a connection with GI and satiety and generally failed (and satiety is pretty individual). For example, roasted potatoes have a high GI, but tend to score high on satiety tests.
I know this is something people pick up from all kinds of sources and it's a simplistic way to divide between foods, but it really is way over-emphasized. If you eat a healthy diet with lots of vegetables and other whole food carbs, as well as a nice balance with healthy fats and protein, the diet as a whole won't be particularly high GI, and that seems way more evidence-based than obsessing about individual foods as if they were eaten alone.
I have something to add to this.
I tried to go "fully raw" and avoided most proper starchy carbs from my diet. No bread, potatoes, crisps...
Or at least I'd avoid them really badly.
I got to a point where I've been constantly hungry every couple of hours.
Eventually my diet became vegetables and protein mostly...and then I'd go into a binge, feel horrible and the cycle would restart.
I've been seeing a therapist for this who said my body was "starving". I'm quite active (around 20 km of walking a day!) and he said my diet was just not sustainable for my activity level/
I've been adding carbs and it has been working...it seems to help me feel less hungry for a little while longer.
Anyone else with similar experience/feedback?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »melaniedscott wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
The term I think you might be after is refined carbs. Simple carbs include things like apples. Complex carbs include things like dreaded white bread.
Won't comment on insulin resistance, but it seems you aren't totally up on complex vs simple. Simple just means it has one or two sugars, so apples are, yes, simple, but so is table sugar. It means we process them quickly, creating an energy spike.
Complex carbs have three or more. Yes, white bread is considered complex, but so is whole wheat or whole grain bread and many veggies.
Umm, not sure why you think this is different from what BurnEm said. Weird.
And as you can see by the examples, being "simple" or "complex" has nothing to do with how satiating the food that contains the carbs is or how nutritious, so the idea that we should avoid simple carbs and eat complex is not nutritionally sound advice.
As for how quickly the carbs are digested, that has to do with a variety of things, including especially what else is eaten with them.The key is glycemic index tells us how quickly the food raises our blood sugar. Low gi raises our blood sugar more slowly than high gi foods.
This is not the same as simple vs. complex carbs. It is also (1) irrelevant (it is GL that matters -- fruit actually tends to have high GI, as do carrots, but not GL), (2) even GL of an individual food is irrelevant if you eat it with other foods -- the meal as a whole is what matters, and (3) even still generally irrelevant unless you have a problem with insulin resistance, which many of us do not.
They have tried to make a connection with GI and satiety and generally failed (and satiety is pretty individual). For example, roasted potatoes have a high GI, but tend to score high on satiety tests.
I know this is something people pick up from all kinds of sources and it's a simplistic way to divide between foods, but it really is way over-emphasized. If you eat a healthy diet with lots of vegetables and other whole food carbs, as well as a nice balance with healthy fats and protein, the diet as a whole won't be particularly high GI, and that seems way more evidence-based than obsessing about individual foods as if they were eaten alone.
I wish I could have gathered my thoughts to say all that, but eh, brain fog happens. You're my hero.2
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