Personal trainer says no carbs til dinner
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Never heard of this. For me, that would only be an opportunity to binge.1
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Although I agree someone should have some training Nutrition is pretty Basic especially to lose weight. Let me some it up for you for Free
1. Eat less calories than you burn "TDEE" to lose weight more to gain weight
2. Get .4 grams of fat per LBM everyday
3. Get .6-1 gram of Protein per LBM everyday
4. log your food for accuracy
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peaceout_aly wrote: »Personal trainers and nutritionists are totally different. Carbs have no reason to be limited or restrained until dinner. In fact, I like to eat carbs before or after my work out to replenish my energy level.
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Michael190lbs wrote: »Although I agree someone should have some training Nutrition is pretty Basic especially to lose weight. Let me some it up for you for Free
1. Eat less calories than you burn "TDEE" to lose weight more to gain weight
2. Get .4 grams of fat per LBM everyday
3. Get .6-1 gram of Protein per LBM everyday
4. log your food for accuracy
5. Be honest with yourself no one else matters
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JaydedMiss wrote: »GauchoMark wrote: »um... I'll go against the grain here...
NO carbs is pretty unreasonable, but what he probably means is to LIMIT carbs. The idea is to keep blood sugar levels steady for as long as possible then increase them before and during the workout. If you work out at night, that might be why he says to eat your carbs at night. Here is a pretty good article if you are interested - http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html
Main goal is weight loss even if i believed in that being beneficial (i dont) Itd make no difference. Cutting out carbs for weight loss is pointless, Unless it helps to lower your calories, But as she said it doesn't fit her preferences so would do more harm thn good.
Ignore the trainer, Eat your carbs. I eat majority of carbs because thats what i personally find satisfying and managable.
I agree, really. The calorie deficit is what creates weight loss - no question. I certainly never said to cut out carbs and neither did the trainer. If, when, and how you eat your macros has a very small effect that most people really do not care about. The average person really SHOULDN'T care about that stuff and the trainer probably shouldn't mention it unless you are prepping for a competition maybe. I just wanted to provide what was probably driving his statement.
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GauchoMark wrote: »um... I'll go against the grain here...
NO carbs is pretty unreasonable, but what he probably means is to LIMIT carbs. The idea is to keep blood sugar levels steady for as long as possible then increase them before and during the workout. If you work out at night, that might be why he says to eat your carbs at night. Here is a pretty good article if you are interested - http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html
Not really relevant given the intended audience of the article... It's intended for those in a pre-contest state, or those dieting down to come in stage ready... not gen pop.
Not to mention that article is fairly dated... Layne's viewpoints seem to have changed quite a bit since then considering he now coaches athletes with an IIFYM/Flexible Dieting approach.9 -
I have diabetes and maintain my health via a ketogenic diet. To maintain a steady insulin level, I start my day with only protein and fat. I have some healthy carbs in a snack, and with supper, but the main emphasis of my diet is healthy fats. Eggs, cheese, grass fed beef early, then things like nuts, salad, green veggies, avocado, full fat plain yogurt later. Never been healthier in my life.5
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colors_fade wrote: »GauchoMark wrote: »um... I'll go against the grain here...
NO carbs is pretty unreasonable, but what he probably means is to LIMIT carbs. The idea is to keep blood sugar levels steady for as long as possible then increase them before and during the workout. If you work out at night, that might be why he says to eat your carbs at night. Here is a pretty good article if you are interested - http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html
This. (P.S. Nice link GauchoMark)
Regulating insulin levels to optimize fat burning is not "bro science".
Your trainer may not have explained the reasoning behind his logic because he's just trying to direct you in the most efficient manner possible. So it's up to you to engage him in a more detailed conversation as to the reasons why. Before determining if this guy is "stupid", as so many posters are ready to label him, I'd ask him for a reason why he wants you to do this and see if his reasons match up with science.
You want to lose fat, so you want to keep your insulin levels low for as long as possible during the day. Generally speaking, "carbs" are the main culprit for insulin levels to spike. This is a good thing after a workout (insulin release - read Gaucho's link), but not during the remainder of the day while you're trying to burn as much fat as possible by being in a caloric deficit.
That said, all carbs are not the same. It is the glycemic index of carbs that you want to pay attention to. The GI level of a carbohydrate tells you how fast it is digested. The higher the number, the faster it is digested, and the more likely to raise insulin levels. Higher insulin levels mean the fat-burning mode is shut off while the body preps for nutrient uptake.
What this means is that you don't have to cut out carbs until dinner if you wish to eat low-GI carbs during the day.
Ask your trainer if he is okay with you eating low-GI carbs during breakfast/lunch/snacks. If regulating insulin levels is the reason for his terse advice, he should be okay with this, and will likely laud you for doing some homework on the subject.
OMG if I had to remember all those rules about when to eat what, I would have given up in a week. Instead, I've lost 88 lbs eating plenty of all types of carbs. I weight train 3 times a week and am doing just fine.
Your advice might work for a guy who's doing intensive weight training, but for the average MFP-er who is starting out and has lots of fat to lose, it's enough to make you crazy confused.
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LolBroScience wrote: »GauchoMark wrote: »um... I'll go against the grain here...
NO carbs is pretty unreasonable, but what he probably means is to LIMIT carbs. The idea is to keep blood sugar levels steady for as long as possible then increase them before and during the workout. If you work out at night, that might be why he says to eat your carbs at night. Here is a pretty good article if you are interested - http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html
Not really relevant given the intended audience of the article... It's intended for those in a pre-contest state, or those dieting down to come in stage ready... not gen pop.
Not to mention that article is fairly dated... Layne's viewpoints seem to have changed quite a bit since then considering he now coaches athletes with an IIFYM/Flexible Dieting approach.
Time for the gen pop chart:
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This is very interesting.0
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Sounds like they took their test online and didn't actually take college classes on nutrition and/or physiology.
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Seems like a lot of diet information is just a "best guess" sometimes. I read the other day, that if you are going to eat carbs late at night, wait until after midnight. My first thought was they should call this the gremlin carb diet. So, it's not Ok to eat carbs at 11:59 pm, but if I wait 2 minutes, it's all good.6
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The trainer isn't knowledgeable obviously. Probably just spitting out something he read in a magazine.5
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Seems like a lot of diet information is just a "best guess" sometimes. I read the other day, that if you are going to eat carbs late at night, wait until after midnight. My first thought was they should call this the gremlin carb diet. So, it's not Ok to eat carbs at 11:59 pm, but if I wait 2 minutes, it's all good.
Actually, a lot of dietary notions are born out of the fitness industry...and in many cases, more specifically, the bodybuilding industry. Some of these notions are pure BS while others have some benefit...at least some benefit if you're an elite, competitive bodybuilder or physique competitor or are aspiring to be...but various diet and fitness magazines and other media outlets just run with it with the idea that if it's good enough for them, it must be good enough for gen pop...
It's kind of like I'm an average to below average golfer...it's something I enjoy occasionally on a nice Sunday morning...my whole club set was about $500 including bag...it's good enough for where I am and where realistically I would ever go with the sport...but any golf magazine or anyone of my avid golfing buddies are pretty much going to tell me that upgrading my clubs and having a $1,000+ driver is going to be a game changer...well, not really...because I'm not good enough for a $1,000+ driver to be a game changer to begin with.18 -
I have a 400 yard drive. Come at me.
So what if it's 200 yards straight and 200 to the right.14 -
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sounds like hes following the shaun T eating plan. I was shocked when I looked at the plan and it stated no carbs until dinner. needless to say I wouldnt follow his eating plan.3
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colors_fade wrote: »GauchoMark wrote: »um... I'll go against the grain here...
NO carbs is pretty unreasonable, but what he probably means is to LIMIT carbs. The idea is to keep blood sugar levels steady for as long as possible then increase them before and during the workout. If you work out at night, that might be why he says to eat your carbs at night. Here is a pretty good article if you are interested - http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html
This. (P.S. Nice link GauchoMark)
Regulating insulin levels to optimize fat burning is not "bro science".
Your trainer may not have explained the reasoning behind his logic because he's just trying to direct you in the most efficient manner possible. So it's up to you to engage him in a more detailed conversation as to the reasons why. Before determining if this guy is "stupid", as so many posters are ready to label him, I'd ask him for a reason why he wants you to do this and see if his reasons match up with science.
You want to lose fat, so you want to keep your insulin levels low for as long as possible during the day. Generally speaking, "carbs" are the main culprit for insulin levels to spike. This is a good thing after a workout (insulin release - read Gaucho's link), but not during the remainder of the day while you're trying to burn as much fat as possible by being in a caloric deficit.
That said, all carbs are not the same. It is the glycemic index of carbs that you want to pay attention to. The GI level of a carbohydrate tells you how fast it is digested. The higher the number, the faster it is digested, and the more likely to raise insulin levels. Higher insulin levels mean the fat-burning mode is shut off while the body preps for nutrient uptake.
What this means is that you don't have to cut out carbs until dinner if you wish to eat low-GI carbs during the day.
Ask your trainer if he is okay with you eating low-GI carbs during breakfast/lunch/snacks. If regulating insulin levels is the reason for his terse advice, he should be okay with this, and will likely laud you for doing some homework on the subject.
protein can also spike insulin as well.not to mention you can only burn so much fat at a time.8 -
It is not a bad idea- it is also known as carb back loading. It allows to burn more fat during the day ie calorie partitioning but this would work when you are in calorie deficit.1
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
protein can also spike insulin as well.
Yes, so why double-down on an insulin spike when you don't have to?CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »not to mention you can only burn so much fat at a time.
So you'd rather be inefficient about it?
That doesn't compute.
I know of no study that says you can only burn fat for X amount of hours per day, so you might as well have elevated insulin levels the rest of the time...4
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