Ok so if you have a Calorie deficit everyday does that guarantee weight loss??
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »Diet is 80%, Exercise is 20% but both are equal in terms of importance
The benefits of exercise on your brain, appetite and metabolism are huge, so generally while a defecit in calories will definitely help you, ultimately the surefire approach at all times is diet + exercise
Ultimately, eat clean, don't consume too many processed foods/sugars and exercise for at least two hours a week and you'll drop weight.
Not unless you're also eating at a deficit. It's entirely possible to eat 'clean' and exercise and not lose a thing, or in fact gain. Equally, you could live on twinkies, and so long as you're eating less calories than you're burning, you will lose weight. 'Clean' has absolutely nothing to do with it.20 -
Initially probably, but I have been on maintenance for 18 months, use (many) more cals than I eat, and don't lose anything (which is intentional, but still, it is an answer to your question)1
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Initially probably, but I have been on maintenance for 18 months, use (many) more cals than I eat, and don't lose anything (which is intentional, but still, it is an answer to your question)
That's actually not possible. Laws of physics and such. Energy cannot be created from nothing. You are either eating more or using less than you think.12 -
You need to figure out what works for you e.g, are you motivated to / can you fit in exercise daily? Or is twice a week a better goal? What are your trigger points (e.g. Snacking in the evenings)
My mum has lost weight by calorie counting and cutting portion sizes. She hasn't really increased her exercising but amount of food was the issue. Not anything ridiculous but by not eating the same amount as my Dad and using smaller plates. Plates are bigger now than they were in the 70s and 80s (in the U.K. anyway, don't know about other places)
It's got to be a long term sustainable change so 'clean' eating won't be what everyone wants for a sustainable change.
Also you might find that you lose inches (e.g. If you do the 30 day shred) but the scales won't move much so like a person above said you can use an item of clothing to measure progress. I do this as I just get an issue / obsessed with weighing myself which isn't healthy either.
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Nony_Mouse - You're of course 100% correct, but I find for myself personally and a lot of other people that solely looking at the intake of calories isn't a sustainable lifestyle choice; I also find that once you do eat properly clean (i.e goodbye added sugars, goodbye calorie rich pastas, potatos and breads, goodbye processed fruit juices and sodas) - it's a pretty hard thing to consume more than you'll burn if you're exercising regularly.
The key thing here is not what works for a couple months, it's what can you make work for your entire life - speaking as someone who has rollercoastered between 180lb and 310lb my entire adult life, I've had countless times crashing 50lbs off my frame after three months of restricting calories, only to flood it back on because it's not changing the way I viewed food long term.11 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Nony_Mouse - You're of course 100% correct, but I find for myself personally and a lot of other people that solely looking at the intake of calories isn't a sustainable lifestyle choice; I also find that once you do eat properly clean (i.e goodbye added sugars, goodbye calorie rich pastas, potatos and breads, goodbye processed fruit juices and sodas) - it's a pretty hard thing to consume more than you'll burn if you're exercising regularly.
The key thing here is not what works for a couple months, it's what can you make work for your entire life - speaking as someone who has rollercoastered between 180lb and 310lb my entire adult life, I've had countless times crashing 50lbs off my frame after three months of restricting calories, only to flood it back on because it's not changing the way I viewed food long term.
Crash dieting doesn't generally work long term for most people.
My n=1 is that I've lost 120+ pounds in 22 months eating processed foods/sugar (in smaller quantities than I used to eat them because I've reduced my portions overall) and without exercise. This is basically how I ate/exercised before I started so it's a sustainable way of living for me. It's not a struggle so I'm much less tempted to fall off the wagon.
I've rollercoastered before by making large changes. That's not sustainable for me.17 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Nony_Mouse - You're of course 100% correct, but I find for myself personally and a lot of other people that solely looking at the intake of calories isn't a sustainable lifestyle choice; I also find that once you do eat properly clean (i.e goodbye added sugars, goodbye calorie rich pastas, potatos and breads, goodbye processed fruit juices and sodas) - it's a pretty hard thing to consume more than you'll burn if you're exercising regularly.
The key thing here is not what works for a couple months, it's what can you make work for your entire life - speaking as someone who has rollercoastered between 180lb and 310lb my entire adult life, I've had countless times crashing 50lbs off my frame after three months of restricting calories, only to flood it back on because it's not changing the way I viewed food long term.
I agree that for many people eating no added sugars, rich pastas, potatos, bread, juice, soda (regular sort) and exercising regularly would create a CICO equation in which it is hard to consume more than you burn.
But thats not because there is anything terrible about those foods or anything commendable about avoiding them - it is just because they are all high calorie staples of many peoples western diets.
One can just as easily create a CICO equation by eating them in appropriate portions - as indeed one can with any food or combination of foods.
Speaking as someone who has lost weight and then maintained for 3 years - I ate all of the above 'to avoid' foods. Some more than others (eg very rarely drank regular soda, but ate plenty of certain added sugar foods, like chocolate) and by no stretch of anyone's definition did I eat clean.
Sure, your dietary intake worked for you - and mine worked for me - and both worked regardless of individual food choices, purely because of CICO.
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I don't see it as a large change, I see it as being more mindful of what you're consuming which I actually don't think calorie counting alone helps (from experience)
I'm highly dismissive of the paleo style of diet, equally as dismissive on the low carb style of diet because neither are feasible long term; but for instance, not having french fries every time you eat a meal, not smothering your food in sauce, not drinking soda by the gallon, not having three milky coffees a day, not thinking twice before having that second slice of cake, etc.
I see more a large change the whole "Well I want to get to 1200 calories a day consumed so I have enough of a defecit to lose a pound a week"6 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »I don't see it as a large change, I see it as being more mindful of what you're consuming which I actually don't think calorie counting alone helps (from experience)
I'm highly dismissive of the paleo style of diet, equally as dismissive on the low carb style of diet because neither are feasible long term; but for instance, not having french fries every time you eat a meal, not smothering your food in sauce, not drinking soda by the gallon, not having three milky coffees a day, not thinking twice before having that second slice of cake, etc.
I see more a large change the whole "Well I want to get to 1200 calories a day consumed so I have enough of a defecit to lose a pound a week"
Well, you do you.
The beauty of it is that everyone can experiment and find what works for them. What you dismiss may be the exact thing that works for someone else.
It doesn't matter how you get to a calorie deficit in order to lose weight, just that you do get to a calorie deficit.9 -
newphilly123 wrote: »Wanna make sure I ain't wasting my time
Not wasting your time. It works for me. You will have good days and bad days, but in the long term it works.3 -
Symbolism, I dont understand what point you are making in your last post - I dont think anyone recomended french fries with every meal or smothering everything with sauce.
and you changed your dietary intake in a way that suited you and created a calorie deficit for you and that is fine, nobody would object to that - but when you start giving out generic statements like "once you eat properly clean..... " instead of "Once I eat properly clean........" (as you define clean) - then people like me point out that such is not neccesary or desirable for everyone - the generic 'you' whom the statement was made about.6 -
The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.2
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
Finding a way to sustain success is just as individual as finding a way to lose weight. The way you sustain may work for you but it may not be a plan that can be followed long-term for everyone. There is no one true way.10 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »I don't see it as a large change, I see it as being more mindful of what you're consuming which I actually don't think calorie counting alone helps (from experience)
I'm highly dismissive of the paleo style of diet, equally as dismissive on the low carb style of diet because neither are feasible long term; but for instance, not having french fries every time you eat a meal, not smothering your food in sauce, not drinking soda by the gallon, not having three milky coffees a day, not thinking twice before having that second slice of cake, etc.
I see more a large change the whole "Well I want to get to 1200 calories a day consumed so I have enough of a defecit to lose a pound a week"
You're dismissive of low carb and yet started a thread here saying you're doing keto. Which is low carb...
You can be mindful of what you eat without cutting out all that stuff you consider 'unclean'. It's called moderation. Which is a hell of a lot more feasible than never eating cake again in my world.10 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
Don't confuse "Eating anything I want" with eating...
In unlimited quantities
without regard to overall nutrition
It usually means without being overly restrictive.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »
You're dismissive of low carb and yet started a thread here saying you're doing keto. Which is low carb...
You can be mindful of what you eat without cutting out all that stuff you consider 'unclean'. It's called moderation. Which is a hell of a lot more feasible than never eating cake again in my world.
That's a common misunderstanding of Keto.
Keto isn't low carb; it's low net carb. ( Carb - Fibre = Net Carb) You still consume a pretty sizeable volume of your calories through carbs but in order to maintain a ketogenic state, you ensure the majority of those carbs come from high fibre sources ( Fruits, Nuts, Low Starch Vegetables, The right sorts of Sugar)
You're also working on a macro nutrient level that ensures your body is getting enough fuel in order to sustain itself, to ensure your appetite doesn't go off the chain and that you're not removing vital food groups from your diet.leanjogreen18 wrote: »Don't confuse "Eating anything I want" with eating...
In unlimited quantities
without regard to overall nutrition
It usually means without being overly restrictive.
That's kind of my point though, if you're ultimately thinking solely in regards to quantities and total calorific count; you're not changing the underlying behavior you have towards food. I've been there and done too many times to count.
In summary; I don't just want to lose 50-60lbs and think "Job done", I want a lifestyle that I can follow for the rest of my life. My experience and general experience tends to indicate those that get into heavy states of overweight need to change their psychology towards food to have sustainable long term success.
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Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.2
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This IS a change in thinking for me, I can eat the foods I want. I don't have to be overly restrictive - what a huge change in the way I look at foods.
Behavior is addressed in portion control and learning which foods are worth eating often and which foods should be eaten occasionally. You assume I'm eating pizza and doughnuts all the time in smaller quantities and that's not a fair assumption.
Overall a balanced diet can include pizza, sweets & fastfood to name a few demonized foods, on occasion within my calorie goal. Totally sustainable FOR ME.
But I'm glad Keto works for you. I won't try to dissuade you from eating that way if it's a sustainable woe for you.
Note caps for emphasis, not yelling:)6 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.
Keep in mind plenty of folks are able to moderate sugar. I've done a decent job 6 months and counting.
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
Well, if that is what you meant, why say the bits about French fries, and eating clean and no added sugar???.
And addressing them to generic 'you' - saying this worked for me is quite different to saying you should all do this.
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