When you have 814 calories left and less than 2 hours left in your logging day...
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Sweets1954 wrote: »I wonder why you have so many calories left at the end of the day?
She explained this.3 -
cerise_noir wrote: »No, there isn't. Your body doesn't recognize time, and it certainly doesn't stop digesting when you go to sleep.
I eat sometimes, up to an hour before sleep. It does not interrupt my sleep, or give me any discomfort. I've lost quite a bit of weight and still lose.
I love how people can be so sure of things when research indicates differently.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425165/
TL;DR? Those that have a large complex meal within two hours before bed suffer irregular sleeping patterns, have higher appetites and such.
She was talking 800 calories, that's a substantial meal.0 -
jennybearlv wrote: »I ate all the Babybell cheeses in the house. What's next?
If I wasn't hungry I would pat myself on the back. Kind of a no-brainer I would think.0 -
KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »Happens to me sometimes, I might eat some nuts, but if there's calories left, then they are left, unless I am so far from my macro count, but if I didn't eat them it's cos I didn't want to and that's fine.
Oh..I just saw you "earned" them to indulge... I don't agree with that, I mean, a bit sure, but 800? For me it's a waste to work so hard just to get it back in, but hey, if you must, I am sure there's plenty of things very high in calories.
I believe she said she "earned" them by shoveling snow which is a chore and a workout
I stand my ground, I just don't understand why would people do that ( eat said extra/earned whatever calories) , sorry, not trying to be an as$hat
There are two ways (more, but two major ones used here) to set up a calorie deficit. (1) average the exercise you plan to do over the week and eat based on the assumption that you will do that exercise (this is what I do); or (2) set a calorie goal assuming you don't exercise and then add in calories from exercise (this is the default MFP way).
In either case you eat more calories when you exercise more. That's because having an overly aggressive deficit is not a good idea and if you regularly eat like you are inactive when you are really active you will likely regret it.
So let's assume I use strategy 2, which is what OP seems to do, and have a base goal of 1400 calories based on losing 1 lb per week if I am not exercising. I run 10 miles, and burn between 800 and 900 calories doing that. You seem to be saying that I should totally ignore that and continue eating as if I were sedentary.3 -
I'd have a big bar of chocolate and end up with dry roasted nuts.1
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »No, there isn't. Your body doesn't recognize time, and it certainly doesn't stop digesting when you go to sleep.
I eat sometimes, up to an hour before sleep. It does not interrupt my sleep, or give me any discomfort. I've lost quite a bit of weight and still lose.
I love how people can be so sure of things when research indicates differently.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425165/
TL;DR? Those that have a large complex meal within two hours before bed suffer irregular sleeping patterns, have higher appetites and such.
She was talking 800 calories, that's a substantial meal.
Did you read the link you cited?
First of all, this: "Similarly, studies in free-living healthy adults have shown that meal satiety also varies with time of day and that food intake during the night is less satiating and leads to greater daily caloric intake compared to food consumed in the morning hours [6,7]." -- if you check the cites -- is referring to one study, and there are a variety of different studies with different results, as others have noted. Even this study would not say not to eat late on one occasion, and says that it seems to be less satiating to have more calories later in the day ON AVERAGE. That doesn't mean it is for all humans, and what we do know is that satiety seems to be individual. Many people here eat the majority of their calories at night because that is easier for them. I eat dinner late (although not the majority of my calories at night, which is what this study is talking about), because (1) my lifestyle requires it, as I would not be able to have dinner otherwise, and (2) I do not struggle with hunger doing so. Indeed, I think eating late makes it easier for me as I am not tempted to snack after dinner ever.
The piece you cited goes on to say:
* "While data from animal studies appear to support this concept [8,9], not all studies concur [10]."
* Shift workers may have messed up body clocks and otherwise have problems. (Not relevant here.)
* Night Eating Syndrome (REGULARLY eating a LARGE PERCENTAGE of calories AFTER DINNER, not relevant here) is associated with obesity IN SOME STUDIES (i.e., not in others). Moreover, even as to those finding connections, "It is unclear, however, as to whether obesity is a consequence or cause of NES."
Further:
"These data from shift workers and NES populations provide some evidence to suggest that consuming the majority of daily nutrients late in the evening may have health consequences. However, this concept cannot be fully understood without considering, the influence of sleep, or lack thereof.....
Indeed, some epidemiological data suggests that consuming a higher proportion of calories later in the day, as opposed to earlier in the day, is associated weight gain [13,14,15,16,17]. However, not all studies agree [12,36,38,43]. It is important to note that several inconsistencies exist in the research examining the effect of late evening caloric intake and body weight.....
Despite these inconsistencies it is evident that consuming large quantities of food (binge eating) in the late evening may have adverse health implications."
And again, I think being aware of how something affects you, vs. what some studies (but not others) say it may do on average is a much more sensible approach if someone wants to find a sustainable approach for them.
Not to mention that bringing this up when OP was talking about a one time thing is confusing.13 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »Happens to me sometimes, I might eat some nuts, but if there's calories left, then they are left, unless I am so far from my macro count, but if I didn't eat them it's cos I didn't want to and that's fine.
Oh..I just saw you "earned" them to indulge... I don't agree with that, I mean, a bit sure, but 800? For me it's a waste to work so hard just to get it back in, but hey, if you must, I am sure there's plenty of things very high in calories.
I believe she said she "earned" them by shoveling snow which is a chore and a workout
I stand my ground, I just don't understand why would people do that ( eat said extra/earned whatever calories) , sorry, not trying to be an as$hat
There are two ways (more, but two major ones used here) to set up a calorie deficit. (1) average the exercise you plan to do over the week and eat based on the assumption that you will do that exercise (this is what I do); or (2) set a calorie goal assuming you don't exercise and then add in calories from exercise (this is the default MFP way).
In either case you eat more calories when you exercise more. That's because having an overly aggressive deficit is not a good idea and if you regularly eat like you are inactive when you are really active you will likely regret it.
So let's assume I use strategy 2, which is what OP seems to do, and have a base goal of 1400 calories based on losing 1 lb per week if I am not exercising. I run 10 miles, and burn between 800 and 900 calories doing that. You seem to be saying that I should totally ignore that and continue eating as if I were sedentary.
I reply to you cos it's the only comment I read, I realize my mistake of saying my thoughts on this forums, it shall not happen again, k? sorry for the bothe, jesus .0 -
KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »Happens to me sometimes, I might eat some nuts, but if there's calories left, then they are left, unless I am so far from my macro count, but if I didn't eat them it's cos I didn't want to and that's fine.
Oh..I just saw you "earned" them to indulge... I don't agree with that, I mean, a bit sure, but 800? For me it's a waste to work so hard just to get it back in, but hey, if you must, I am sure there's plenty of things very high in calories.
I believe she said she "earned" them by shoveling snow which is a chore and a workout
I stand my ground, I just don't understand why would people do that ( eat said extra/earned whatever calories) , sorry, not trying to be an as$hat
There are two ways (more, but two major ones used here) to set up a calorie deficit. (1) average the exercise you plan to do over the week and eat based on the assumption that you will do that exercise (this is what I do); or (2) set a calorie goal assuming you don't exercise and then add in calories from exercise (this is the default MFP way).
In either case you eat more calories when you exercise more. That's because having an overly aggressive deficit is not a good idea and if you regularly eat like you are inactive when you are really active you will likely regret it.
So let's assume I use strategy 2, which is what OP seems to do, and have a base goal of 1400 calories based on losing 1 lb per week if I am not exercising. I run 10 miles, and burn between 800 and 900 calories doing that. You seem to be saying that I should totally ignore that and continue eating as if I were sedentary.
I reply to you cos it's the only comment I read, I realize my mistake of saying my thoughts on this forums, it shall not happen again, k? sorry for the bothe, jesus .
Why so defensive when people take the time to explain something that is commonly misunderstood?10 -
KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »Happens to me sometimes, I might eat some nuts, but if there's calories left, then they are left, unless I am so far from my macro count, but if I didn't eat them it's cos I didn't want to and that's fine.
Oh..I just saw you "earned" them to indulge... I don't agree with that, I mean, a bit sure, but 800? For me it's a waste to work so hard just to get it back in, but hey, if you must, I am sure there's plenty of things very high in calories.
I believe she said she "earned" them by shoveling snow which is a chore and a workout
I stand my ground, I just don't understand why would people do that ( eat said extra/earned whatever calories) , sorry, not trying to be an as$hat
There are two ways (more, but two major ones used here) to set up a calorie deficit. (1) average the exercise you plan to do over the week and eat based on the assumption that you will do that exercise (this is what I do); or (2) set a calorie goal assuming you don't exercise and then add in calories from exercise (this is the default MFP way).
In either case you eat more calories when you exercise more. That's because having an overly aggressive deficit is not a good idea and if you regularly eat like you are inactive when you are really active you will likely regret it.
So let's assume I use strategy 2, which is what OP seems to do, and have a base goal of 1400 calories based on losing 1 lb per week if I am not exercising. I run 10 miles, and burn between 800 and 900 calories doing that. You seem to be saying that I should totally ignore that and continue eating as if I were sedentary.
I reply to you cos it's the only comment I read, I realize my mistake of saying my thoughts on this forums, it shall not happen again, k? sorry for the bothe, jesus .
Weird reaction.
You said you didn't understand, so I was explaining why. Why are you taking my explanation as some kind of insult? Is it not okay to explain something to you or disagree, even when you seemed to want to understand why others would do something?7 -
buffalo wings would be great!3
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hmm..
A wheel of camembert or brie (the size at Aldi are ~800 calories).
A pint of ice cream (not sure how many calories).
A bottle of wine
Mmm, I'd do half a wheel of brie and half a bottle of wine (I do have to share with DH). Either the day I earned them or I save them for the weekend. Yep, I eat my exercise calories and reward myself with indulgent foods. That's how this works (assuming following MFP method).2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »SymbolismNZ wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »No, there isn't. Your body doesn't recognize time, and it certainly doesn't stop digesting when you go to sleep.
I eat sometimes, up to an hour before sleep. It does not interrupt my sleep, or give me any discomfort. I've lost quite a bit of weight and still lose.
I love how people can be so sure of things when research indicates differently.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425165/
TL;DR? Those that have a large complex meal within two hours before bed suffer irregular sleeping patterns, have higher appetites and such.
She was talking 800 calories, that's a substantial meal.
Did you read the link you cited?
First of all, this: "Similarly, studies in free-living healthy adults have shown that meal satiety also varies with time of day and that food intake during the night is less satiating and leads to greater daily caloric intake compared to food consumed in the morning hours [6,7]." -- if you check the cites -- is referring to one study, and there are a variety of different studies with different results, as others have noted. Even this study would not say not to eat late on one occasion, and says that it seems to be less satiating to have more calories later in the day ON AVERAGE. That doesn't mean it is for all humans, and what we do know is that satiety seems to be individual. Many people here eat the majority of their calories at night because that is easier for them. I eat dinner late (although not the majority of my calories at night, which is what this study is talking about), because (1) my lifestyle requires it, as I would not be able to have dinner otherwise, and (2) I do not struggle with hunger doing so. Indeed, I think eating late makes it easier for me as I am not tempted to snack after dinner ever.
The piece you cited goes on to say:
* "While data from animal studies appear to support this concept [8,9], not all studies concur [10]."
* Shift workers may have messed up body clocks and otherwise have problems. (Not relevant here.)
* Night Eating Syndrome (REGULARLY eating a LARGE PERCENTAGE of calories AFTER DINNER, not relevant here) is associated with obesity IN SOME STUDIES (i.e., not in others). Moreover, even as to those finding connections, "It is unclear, however, as to whether obesity is a consequence or cause of NES."
Further:
"These data from shift workers and NES populations provide some evidence to suggest that consuming the majority of daily nutrients late in the evening may have health consequences. However, this concept cannot be fully understood without considering, the influence of sleep, or lack thereof.....
Indeed, some epidemiological data suggests that consuming a higher proportion of calories later in the day, as opposed to earlier in the day, is associated weight gain [13,14,15,16,17]. However, not all studies agree [12,36,38,43]. It is important to note that several inconsistencies exist in the research examining the effect of late evening caloric intake and body weight.....
Despite these inconsistencies it is evident that consuming large quantities of food (binge eating) in the late evening may have adverse health implications."
And again, I think being aware of how something affects you, vs. what some studies (but not others) say it may do on average is a much more sensible approach if someone wants to find a sustainable approach for them.
Not to mention that bringing this up when OP was talking about a one time thing is confusing.
I was just coming in to reply to that link, and my opening line was word-for-word what you said! :laugh:
Seriously. Thanks! I find it humorous when people post links to prove others wrong but don't even read them.4 -
cerise_noir wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »SymbolismNZ wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »No, there isn't. Your body doesn't recognize time, and it certainly doesn't stop digesting when you go to sleep.
I eat sometimes, up to an hour before sleep. It does not interrupt my sleep, or give me any discomfort. I've lost quite a bit of weight and still lose.
I love how people can be so sure of things when research indicates differently.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425165/
TL;DR? Those that have a large complex meal within two hours before bed suffer irregular sleeping patterns, have higher appetites and such.
She was talking 800 calories, that's a substantial meal.
Did you read the link you cited?
First of all, this: "Similarly, studies in free-living healthy adults have shown that meal satiety also varies with time of day and that food intake during the night is less satiating and leads to greater daily caloric intake compared to food consumed in the morning hours [6,7]." -- if you check the cites -- is referring to one study, and there are a variety of different studies with different results, as others have noted. Even this study would not say not to eat late on one occasion, and says that it seems to be less satiating to have more calories later in the day ON AVERAGE. That doesn't mean it is for all humans, and what we do know is that satiety seems to be individual. Many people here eat the majority of their calories at night because that is easier for them. I eat dinner late (although not the majority of my calories at night, which is what this study is talking about), because (1) my lifestyle requires it, as I would not be able to have dinner otherwise, and (2) I do not struggle with hunger doing so. Indeed, I think eating late makes it easier for me as I am not tempted to snack after dinner ever.
The piece you cited goes on to say:
* "While data from animal studies appear to support this concept [8,9], not all studies concur [10]."
* Shift workers may have messed up body clocks and otherwise have problems. (Not relevant here.)
* Night Eating Syndrome (REGULARLY eating a LARGE PERCENTAGE of calories AFTER DINNER, not relevant here) is associated with obesity IN SOME STUDIES (i.e., not in others). Moreover, even as to those finding connections, "It is unclear, however, as to whether obesity is a consequence or cause of NES."
Further:
"These data from shift workers and NES populations provide some evidence to suggest that consuming the majority of daily nutrients late in the evening may have health consequences. However, this concept cannot be fully understood without considering, the influence of sleep, or lack thereof.....
Indeed, some epidemiological data suggests that consuming a higher proportion of calories later in the day, as opposed to earlier in the day, is associated weight gain [13,14,15,16,17]. However, not all studies agree [12,36,38,43]. It is important to note that several inconsistencies exist in the research examining the effect of late evening caloric intake and body weight.....
Despite these inconsistencies it is evident that consuming large quantities of food (binge eating) in the late evening may have adverse health implications."
And again, I think being aware of how something affects you, vs. what some studies (but not others) say it may do on average is a much more sensible approach if someone wants to find a sustainable approach for them.
Not to mention that bringing this up when OP was talking about a one time thing is confusing.
I was just coming in to reply to that link, and my opening line was word-for-word what you said! :laugh:
Seriously. Thanks! I find it humorous when people post links to prove others wrong but don't even read them.
What I find humorous is when people read things only to see what agrees with them, the old confirmation bias which both of you seem to have done here.
I work in the medical field, so I'm used to reading research papers that point to other experiments that contradict their answer, each person and the things they do is different, therefore expecting the exact same response in every circumstance would be counter productive to the health industry, because you would never normalise treatment plans for common conditions. The whole idea of research such as this is to find out the common impacts and identify what the trends of the empirical evidence suggest.
The trends as this paper indicates (and many other papers indicate) is that night time eating puts you at higher risk of sleeping disorders, appetite disorders and such.
Other papers that conclude with the same findings -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3499064/ - testing the impact of calories on mice during the night, versus during the day.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27633109 - looking at the impact of food in general on sleeping patterns, including the time at which ingestion of food can impact sleep quality.
Pretty much all of the research around intermittent fasting is based off of similar principles, the impact of calorie intake on sleep and the activation of genes within your system that assist your normal functions.
Will this be the same for every single individual? No; nothing is exactly the same for every single person; but unless you like putting yourself in higher risk brackets, any nutritionist or doctor worth their salt would warn against eating directly before bed.0 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »SymbolismNZ wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »No, there isn't. Your body doesn't recognize time, and it certainly doesn't stop digesting when you go to sleep.
I eat sometimes, up to an hour before sleep. It does not interrupt my sleep, or give me any discomfort. I've lost quite a bit of weight and still lose.
I love how people can be so sure of things when research indicates differently.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425165/
TL;DR? Those that have a large complex meal within two hours before bed suffer irregular sleeping patterns, have higher appetites and such.
She was talking 800 calories, that's a substantial meal.
Did you read the link you cited?
First of all, this: "Similarly, studies in free-living healthy adults have shown that meal satiety also varies with time of day and that food intake during the night is less satiating and leads to greater daily caloric intake compared to food consumed in the morning hours [6,7]." -- if you check the cites -- is referring to one study, and there are a variety of different studies with different results, as others have noted. Even this study would not say not to eat late on one occasion, and says that it seems to be less satiating to have more calories later in the day ON AVERAGE. That doesn't mean it is for all humans, and what we do know is that satiety seems to be individual. Many people here eat the majority of their calories at night because that is easier for them. I eat dinner late (although not the majority of my calories at night, which is what this study is talking about), because (1) my lifestyle requires it, as I would not be able to have dinner otherwise, and (2) I do not struggle with hunger doing so. Indeed, I think eating late makes it easier for me as I am not tempted to snack after dinner ever.
The piece you cited goes on to say:
* "While data from animal studies appear to support this concept [8,9], not all studies concur [10]."
* Shift workers may have messed up body clocks and otherwise have problems. (Not relevant here.)
* Night Eating Syndrome (REGULARLY eating a LARGE PERCENTAGE of calories AFTER DINNER, not relevant here) is associated with obesity IN SOME STUDIES (i.e., not in others). Moreover, even as to those finding connections, "It is unclear, however, as to whether obesity is a consequence or cause of NES."
Further:
"These data from shift workers and NES populations provide some evidence to suggest that consuming the majority of daily nutrients late in the evening may have health consequences. However, this concept cannot be fully understood without considering, the influence of sleep, or lack thereof.....
Indeed, some epidemiological data suggests that consuming a higher proportion of calories later in the day, as opposed to earlier in the day, is associated weight gain [13,14,15,16,17]. However, not all studies agree [12,36,38,43]. It is important to note that several inconsistencies exist in the research examining the effect of late evening caloric intake and body weight.....
Despite these inconsistencies it is evident that consuming large quantities of food (binge eating) in the late evening may have adverse health implications."
And again, I think being aware of how something affects you, vs. what some studies (but not others) say it may do on average is a much more sensible approach if someone wants to find a sustainable approach for them.
Not to mention that bringing this up when OP was talking about a one time thing is confusing.
I was just coming in to reply to that link, and my opening line was word-for-word what you said! :laugh:
Seriously. Thanks! I find it humorous when people post links to prove others wrong but don't even read them.
What I find humorous is when people read things only to see what agrees with them, the old confirmation bias which both of you seem to have done here.
Actually, it's the opposite. Any time someone claims some study is "proof" that you must eat a certain way I know they either don't really understand how this research works or -- often -- are just trying to find something to back up some claim they are clinging to. As the paper in question acknowledges (and as I know from other reading), the studies are all over the place and, significantly, not even everyone in the studies have the same results, at all (which many who quote them do not seem to understand). There may be a statistically significant result (which is often smaller than people realize) that leads to more research, but it certainly does not prove what you seemed to think (or at least what you claimed here, whether you thought it or not) -- that someone eating at night would suffer all sorts of bad results. It's less "you are in a really risky category if you do this, might as well not even bother trying to maintain weight" (as you seem to be saying) as opposed to "this might help, might be something worth trying, especially if it wouldn't mess up anything or seems appealing."The trends as this paper indicates (and many other papers indicate) is that night time eating puts you at higher risk of sleeping disorders, appetite disorders and such.
Not really, as pointed out above. They were talking mostly about 2 specific conditions -- NES and night shifts. The latter often messes with circadian rhythm and can make things more difficult, although it's not known why -- quite possibly related to sleep problems. Not relevant to OP or people eating dinner at 9 or whatever. (Also, did you notice that OP was talking about a meal at 5 pm in this actual thread? Your whole thing was off topic.) NES seems to be an issue where a person eats most of their calories at night, but also was connected to a night bingeing syndrome and in some cases night eating. Grouping all of these and assuming it applies to someone, say, IFing and eating most calories in the evening (which many on MFP have done successfully) is a mistake. To say that means someone can't have a regular dinner in the evening (less than half their calories, normally) is not relevant at all. If the issue is sleep disturbance, the fact that some people have it, some don't, and people know whether they do or not is relevant -- saying no one should eat a large meal past 6 or whatever is just ridiculous. Yet this is what you seemed to be citing the study for. The fact is that people have to figure out what is sustainable for them.
Your other cites (referenced in the first one, I believe, but cherry-picked as there are ones that come to alternative conclusions) also don't go to the effect independent of sleep disturbance or staying up in the night sleeping in the day (the mouse study).Pretty much all of the research around intermittent fasting is based off of similar principles, the impact of calorie intake on sleep and the activation of genes within your system that assist your normal functions.
This doesn't really have to do with IF at all, except in that people IFing are the ones most likely to eat most of their calories in the evening, depending on their window.
Also, IF studies are also all over the place and don't at all prove that IFing is superior to other ways of eating, if you have gone on to a new claim.
In any event, although wrong, I don't see how your claims about not eating late have anything to do with OP at all -- she was doing it as a one-time thing in this instance, and this instance it was at 5 pm, which is not considered just before bed in the US. (She also noted that she keeps her log from 6 pm to 5:59 or some such, and you don't know when she normally eats, and if I were her I wouldn't bother consulting you about it anyway.)
As to the claim that no one should eat a late (meaning what? like I said, I get home late) dinner, it's similarly not relevant. The night shift stuff is not, and the NES stuff was specifically about eating lots of calories after dinner (and again related to a lot of different things, including bingeing and night eating and sleep disturbance).
Is it bad to eat in a way that disrupts sleep? Sure. People differ a lot in whether eating before bed disrupts their sleep or how much before bed they need to stop to avoid it.7 -
how many cals do you eat a day is my question? if you eat only 1500 and are 800 short its way different than if you eat 3500 cals a day and are 800 short
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if you really need to get cals avocados are on the high side and good for you and pecans1
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »No, there isn't. Your body doesn't recognize time, and it certainly doesn't stop digesting when you go to sleep.
I eat sometimes, up to an hour before sleep. It does not interrupt my sleep, or give me any discomfort. I've lost quite a bit of weight and still lose.
I love how people can be so sure of things when research indicates differently.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425165/
TL;DR? Those that have a large complex meal within two hours before bed suffer irregular sleeping patterns, have higher appetites and such.
She was talking 800 calories, that's a substantial meal.
I practice IF, with a 5 hour eating window and consume the majority of my calories within an hour or two of going to bed every night.
I weigh 116 pounds and have 24% body fat, which is considered the upper range of lean at my age. I also sleep like a baby.
I don't have the time or the inclination, but if I did, I could go to google scholar and cherry pick studies showing meal timing is irrelevant too. That's the thing with studies. And you're clearly cherry picking.5 -
OP, what you had sounds delicious. I was in your exact situation the other day. I had a MASSIVE amount of popcorn. With butter.2
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Tacklewasher wrote: »jennybearlv wrote: »Then MFP cut me off. Possibly related to the adult protein shake which I just half spilled on my couch. I have zero tolerance for alcohol.
I'm curious what your recipe for this is. I've never thought to "adult" my protein shake.
8 oz milk
25 g Mexican chocolate (Ovaltine works too)
30 g unflavored protein powder
.5 oz peppermint schnapps (More if you aren't a lightweight. Sometimes I use Kahlua or Bailey's)3
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