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So. What's the worst weight loss myth?
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Absolute, positive worst one I've seen yet - a varied diet with everything in moderation is biomedically equivalent to recreational drug usage in terms of impact upon your health.
Yes, that just happened.
So before you go running around threads and quoting me, how about showing me that evidence where moderate use of marijuana, psilocybin or amphetamines creates evidence of damage to your health... as I pointed out, you can even use the tip of looking at how research papers talk about refined sugar and compare it to recreational drug use.
We're stuck in the 1950s here, where ingesting fat is a bad idea, where moderate marijuana causes long term brain damage and where refined sugar doesn't have an impact on your neural receptors, causing you to be at higher risk of craving more.5 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Absolute, positive worst one I've seen yet - a varied diet with everything in moderation is biomedically equivalent to recreational drug usage in terms of impact upon your health.
Yes, that just happened.
So before you go running around threads and quoting me, how about showing me that evidence where moderate use of marijuana, psilocybin or amphetamines creates evidence of damage to your health... as I pointed out, you can even use the tip of looking at how research papers talk about refined sugar and compare it to recreational drug use.
We're stuck in the 1950s here, where ingesting fat is a bad idea, where moderate marijuana causes long term brain damage and where refined sugar doesn't have an impact on your neural receptors, causing you to be at higher risk of craving more.
Nope, fats not bad, marijuana doesn't cause brain damage and sugar isn't addictive. Please come on. Tell me I'm reading this wrong!0 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
After a month on this intermittent-feeding schedule, the animals show a series of behaviors similar to the effects of drugs of abuse. These are categorized as “bingeing”, meaning unusually large bouts of intake, opiate-like “withdrawal” indicated by signs of anxiety and behavioral depression (Colantuoni et al., 2001, 2002), and “craving” measured during sugar abstinence as enhanced responding for sugar (Avena et al., 2005). There are also signs of both locomotor and consummatory “cross-sensitization” from sugar to drugs of abuse (Avena et al., 2004, Avena and Hoebel, 2003b). Having found these behaviors that are common to drug dependency with supporting evidence from other laboratories (Gosnell, 2005, Grimm et al., 2005, Wideman et al., 2005), the next question is why this happens.
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
After a month on this intermittent-feeding schedule, the animals show a series of behaviors similar to the effects of drugs of abuse. These are categorized as “bingeing”, meaning unusually large bouts of intake, opiate-like “withdrawal” indicated by signs of anxiety and behavioral depression (Colantuoni et al., 2001, 2002), and “craving” measured during sugar abstinence as enhanced responding for sugar (Avena et al., 2005). There are also signs of both locomotor and consummatory “cross-sensitization” from sugar to drugs of abuse (Avena et al., 2004, Avena and Hoebel, 2003b). Having found these behaviors that are common to drug dependency with supporting evidence from other laboratories (Gosnell, 2005, Grimm et al., 2005, Wideman et al., 2005), the next question is why this happens.
does it matter that processed meat is a #1 carcinogen? Do you eat that? Seems odd to me folks point to sugar being addictive when studies don't prove it but then ignore processed meat study. Idk1 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »does it matter that processed meat is a #1 carcinogen? Do you eat that? Seems odd to me folks point to sugar being addictive when studies don't prove it but then ignore processed meat study. Idk
Well in the case of processed meats, many of them include sucrose or high fructose corn syrup (alongside an overload of sodium) to assist in preserving the meat and giving it a longer life.
Also, in the case of processed meats, what needs to be taken into account is that our total protein consumption has increased massively over the past fifty years (in part due to the prevalence of processed meat) and too much protein is a massively bad thing for your health.
Those factors above, combined with the sheer amount of chemicals thrown in to a lot of meat processing processes have a ton of potential health risks.
I do eat some processed meats (ham, bacon) but I generally look for sugar free/uncured products.0 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »does it matter that processed meat is a #1 carcinogen? Do you eat that? Seems odd to me folks point to sugar being addictive when studies don't prove it but then ignore processed meat study. Idk
Well in the case of processed meats, many of them include sucrose or high fructose corn syrup (alongside an overload of sodium) to assist in preserving the meat and giving it a longer life.
Also, in the case of processed meats, what needs to be taken into account is that our total protein consumption has increased massively over the past fifty years (in part due to the prevalence of processed meat) and too much protein is a massively bad thing for your health.
Which is kinda my point...everything in moderation:).0 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »Which is kinda my point...everything in moderation:).
Which is cool, like I said in the thread he's quoting, the point I made in that thread is that refined sugar itself has been linked to a number of health risks in oncogenes, neurological disorders and appetite disorders and therefore consuming it in moderation is very similar to a moderate drug user, i/e the genesis of this debate.
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »
Just to set the record straight, if you re-read my post you'll notice I didn't quote anybody. Nor did I name anybody or link to any thread. That was 100% intentional on my part for specific reasons.
As to the rest of it, I won't even engage further on it. It's so far beyond being debatable from a logical standpoint that it's not worth the time or effort. I simply shared it here because it was apropos for the thread title.13 -
"So far beyond debatable" - i.e "I cannot be bothered to read the research you linked, I will simply use my already preformed opinion and state it as gospel truth"
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »Which is kinda my point...everything in moderation:).
Which is cool, like I said in the thread he's quoting, the point I made in that thread is that refined sugar itself has been linked to a number of health risks in oncogenes, neurological disorders and appetite disorders and therefore consuming it in moderation is very similar to a moderate drug user, i/e the genesis of this debate.
Yeah, no. Very few drugs are used in moderation. I would love to agree with you but just no. I've not once seen a post where folks go full on the bag of sugar if they run out of cookies nor have I seen folks attack bananas, or any fruit because they are out of sweets. Have I known of folks going after mouthwash or cough syrup when they are out of alcohol or drugs, oh yeah. Sorry I want to believe you but it's just not proven other than the anti sugar folks. Please really think long and hard, folks would full on go for not only bags of sugar but any fruit if this were true.7 -
A ton of research and literature indicates that long term moderate marijuana use has no long term health impacts and actually has some benefits, the same with psylocibin and amphetamines
PCP and drugs of that ilk are a different story, even short term moderate use causes large degrees of damage to certain neural receptors, as well as damage to a bunch of other systems in your body.
The thing is you don't actually have to believe me; the research is there.
(ps, alcohol also includes refined sugars...
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I don't believe sugar is addictive. I also agreed up thread marijuana wasn't. No matter really. It's all good.1
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Does every thread need to be turned into "sugar is addictive"? I come here wanting some funny shizzle to read at 6a and it's the SOSO "sugar is addictive" run-around. Makes me miss the days of "every overweight/obese person is IR" thread derails.
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Does every thread need to be turned into "sugar is addictive"? I come here wanting some funny shizzle to read at 6a and it's the SOSO "sugar is addictive" run-around. Makes me miss the days of "every
So being this condescending when you don't actually read what is written doesn't really show off a charming character. And just because you're in denial and refuse to read the research doesn't make me accountable for your 6AM feelgood.
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
After a month on this intermittent-feeding schedule, the animals show a series of behaviors similar to the effects of drugs of abuse. These are categorized as “bingeing”, meaning unusually large bouts of intake, opiate-like “withdrawal” indicated by signs of anxiety and behavioral depression (Colantuoni et al., 2001, 2002), and “craving” measured during sugar abstinence as enhanced responding for sugar (Avena et al., 2005). There are also signs of both locomotor and consummatory “cross-sensitization” from sugar to drugs of abuse (Avena et al., 2004, Avena and Hoebel, 2003b). Having found these behaviors that are common to drug dependency with supporting evidence from other laboratories (Gosnell, 2005, Grimm et al., 2005, Wideman et al., 2005), the next question is why this happens.
All, let's try not to turn this into another battle over sugar addiction. If we want to continue that battle, let's utilize the below thread. It goes through a lot of the models and studies (both human/rat/mice).
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10226257/food-addiction-a-different-perspective/p15 -
Absolute, positive worst one I've seen yet - a varied diet with everything in moderation is biomedically equivalent to recreational drug usage in terms of impact upon your health.
Yes, that just happened.
Yeah, I saw that, and something inside me snapped. That wins. Hand's down.5 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »SymbolismNZ wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »Which is kinda my point...everything in moderation:).
Which is cool, like I said in the thread he's quoting, the point I made in that thread is that refined sugar itself has been linked to a number of health risks in oncogenes, neurological disorders and appetite disorders and therefore consuming it in moderation is very similar to a moderate drug user, i/e the genesis of this debate.
Yeah, no. Very few drugs are used in moderation. I would love to agree with you but just no. I've not once seen a post where folks go full on the bag of sugar if they run out of cookies nor have I seen folks attack bananas, or any fruit because they are out of sweets. Have I known of folks going after mouthwash or cough syrup when they are out of alcohol or drugs, oh yeah. Sorry I want to believe you but it's just not proven other than the anti sugar folks. Please really think long and hard, folks would full on go for not only bags of sugar but any fruit if this were true.
Jo, save yourself. It's not worth the energy to type logic here.3 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »A ton of research and literature indicates that long term moderate marijuana use has no long term health impacts and actually has some benefits, the same with psylocibin and amphetamines
PCP and drugs of that ilk are a different story, even short term moderate use causes large degrees of damage to certain neural receptors, as well as damage to a bunch of other systems in your body.
The thing is you don't actually have to believe me; the research is there.
(ps, alcohol also includes refined sugars... )
Yeah, I just saw a report the other day that counters that and some preliminary new research that suggests it might be. Sorry about that.
Now that marijuana is being legalized in some places here in the states, there's more evidence coming forward. Of course, this could have been crappy science reporting.
PS. Alcohol doesn't contain sugar. It's lost in distillation.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »SymbolismNZ wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »Which is kinda my point...everything in moderation:).
Which is cool, like I said in the thread he's quoting, the point I made in that thread is that refined sugar itself has been linked to a number of health risks in oncogenes, neurological disorders and appetite disorders and therefore consuming it in moderation is very similar to a moderate drug user, i/e the genesis of this debate.
Yeah, no. Very few drugs are used in moderation. I would love to agree with you but just no. I've not once seen a post where folks go full on the bag of sugar if they run out of cookies nor have I seen folks attack bananas, or any fruit because they are out of sweets. Have I known of folks going after mouthwash or cough syrup when they are out of alcohol or drugs, oh yeah. Sorry I want to believe you but it's just not proven other than the anti sugar folks. Please really think long and hard, folks would full on go for not only bags of sugar but any fruit if this were true.
Jo, save yourself. It's not worth the energy to type logic here.
This made me LOL. Jo, good points.1
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