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crzycatlady1 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »I had a somehow greasy vegan taco fest on Sunday :P
Didn't gain weight :P
I ate out twice this past weekend and was down on the scale this morning
To chime in, 3 days ago we had a popcorn and funnel food night so that's what I had for dinner. I wasn't starving. In fact I ended the day with calories left over because I wasn't hungry. "Junk" food contributed more to my calories than usual that day but it's okay. I'm about half a pound down. It's all about balance, not just balance for the day (some days can be pretty poor nutritionally and it wouldn't affect health negatively if most of the days are nutritious), but balance in the diet as a whole.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »I had a somehow greasy vegan taco fest on Sunday :P
Didn't gain weight :P
I ate out twice this past weekend and was down on the scale this morning
To chime in, 3 days ago we had a popcorn and funnel food night so that's what I had for dinner. I wasn't starving. In fact I ended the day with calories left over because I wasn't hungry. "Junk" food contributed more to my calories than usual that day but it's okay. I'm about half a pound down. It's all about balance, not just balance for the day (some days can be pretty poor nutritionally and it wouldn't affect health negatively if most of the days are nutritious), but balance in the diet as a whole.
That's what some people just can't seem to wrap their minds around. I honestly don't understand the 'all or nothing' mentality and that's just not realistic for me. Because of my medical history I knew going into this process right from day one that I needed to focus on the long term/big picture, otherwise I would be one of the millions that fail at long term weight loss adherence, and end up like many of my overweight/obese family members who have/had type 2 diabetes (several who have died from complications to their weight and diabetes).
Eating a wide variety of foods that I enjoy is what's going to be sustainable for me, for the next 40+ years. It's also produced the results I need- I'm no longer a pre-diabetic, I have a bmi of around 21 and I'm one of the very few people who are successfully maintaining weight loss. To have a pp say that I'm doing things the wrong way and I actually haven't been able to lose weight or improve my health because of the foods I eat is utterly bizarre to me
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crzycatlady1 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »I had a somehow greasy vegan taco fest on Sunday :P
Didn't gain weight :P
I ate out twice this past weekend and was down on the scale this morning
To chime in, 3 days ago we had a popcorn and funnel food night so that's what I had for dinner. I wasn't starving. In fact I ended the day with calories left over because I wasn't hungry. "Junk" food contributed more to my calories than usual that day but it's okay. I'm about half a pound down. It's all about balance, not just balance for the day (some days can be pretty poor nutritionally and it wouldn't affect health negatively if most of the days are nutritious), but balance in the diet as a whole.
That's what some people just can't seem to wrap their minds around. I honestly don't understand the 'all or nothing' mentality and that's just not realistic for me. Because of my medical history I knew going into this process right from day one that I needed to focus on the long term/big picture, otherwise I would be one of the millions that fail at long term weight loss adherence, and end up like many of my overweight/obese family members who have/had type 2 diabetes (several who have died from complications to their weight and diabetes).
Eating a wide variety of foods that I enjoy is what's going to be sustainable for me, for the next 40+ years. It's also produced the results I need- I'm no longer a pre-diabetic, I have a bmi of around 21 and I'm one of the very few people who are successfully maintaining weight loss. To have a pp say that I'm doing things the wrong way and I actually haven't been able to lose weight or improve my health because of the foods I eat is utterly bizarre to me
Exactly. I have lost more than 100 pounds and went from the highest end of prediabetic range to safely normal. From hypertensive to normal. From 300+ triglycerides to 110. Yet I hear my health must be worse and the 100+ pounds I lost included no loss of body fat?4 -
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singingflutelady wrote: »I don't get why people have to get so upset over what other people eat. If you're completely focused on whether someone else is doing it the same way you are, you need to work on your self esteem, not just your diet. If you ask someone who is very successful and fit what they do to get that way, you can't be offended that they don't tell you "I ate pizza, fries and cake the whole time!" because people who are very serious about health are never going to do that. Everyone is here for different reasons. Many seem to be here to lose weight at the cost of anything else. They won't exercise (used to be me), won't eat a vegetable and then complain that they are starving on their two pieces of pizza and two donuts a day. They refuse to accept that a focus on nutrition AND calories is how many of us get to eat enough food for satiety and get offended when you tell them this has been your successful plan. Someone eating kale is not an indictment of your food choices. Just look back over at your own plate if you can't say anything nice whether you eat clean 100% of the time or 0%.
I disagree. The majority are not living off of 2 pieces of pizza and 2 donuts a day and don't exercise. I'm not sure where you see that
That'd be like 500 calories. No wonder those hypothetical people are starving.6 -
stevencloser wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I don't get why people have to get so upset over what other people eat. If you're completely focused on whether someone else is doing it the same way you are, you need to work on your self esteem, not just your diet. If you ask someone who is very successful and fit what they do to get that way, you can't be offended that they don't tell you "I ate pizza, fries and cake the whole time!" because people who are very serious about health are never going to do that. Everyone is here for different reasons. Many seem to be here to lose weight at the cost of anything else. They won't exercise (used to be me), won't eat a vegetable and then complain that they are starving on their two pieces of pizza and two donuts a day. They refuse to accept that a focus on nutrition AND calories is how many of us get to eat enough food for satiety and get offended when you tell them this has been your successful plan. Someone eating kale is not an indictment of your food choices. Just look back over at your own plate if you can't say anything nice whether you eat clean 100% of the time or 0%.
I disagree. The majority are not living off of 2 pieces of pizza and 2 donuts a day and don't exercise. I'm not sure where you see that
That'd be like 500 calories. No wonder those hypothetical people are starving.
Damn, what kind of pizza and donuts are *you* eating? I calculated that at about 1200 calories.
I'm not gonna lie tho about the bread and chocolate diet. I'm all in for that.
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crzycatlady1 wrote: »KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »I had a somehow greasy vegan taco fest on Sunday :P
Didn't gain weight :P
I ate out twice this past weekend and was down on the scale this morning
Side note: I love your username for I love cats.
On the other side, scale didn't move a single gram for me, either up or down, so I guess that's still good,gonna get measurements tomorrow
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Because there are soooooo many posts on here were users advocate others eating whatever junk they want because 'a calorie is a calorie', so long as there is a deficit.
I don't really have anything new to add to the conversation, I was just reminded of something that I recently came across in the book 'New Rules of Lifting'. This subject is mentioned as something that grinds the author's gears:
"Differentiating calories. I started this chapter by mentioning a statement that drives me nuts: “If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more.” There’s another that I find even more maddening: “A calorie is a calorie.” This one isn’t half-true. It’s wholly false. Your body processes different calories in different ways. It uses much more energy to digest protein than to digest carbohydrates, and more to digest carbohydrates than fat." - from L. Schuler and A. Cosgrove, The New Rules of Lifting, p. 263.2 -
Because there are soooooo many posts on here were users advocate others eating whatever junk they want because 'a calorie is a calorie', so long as there is a deficit.
I don't really have anything new to add to the conversation, I was just reminded of something that I recently came across in the book 'New Rules of Lifting'. This subject is mentioned as something that grinds the author's gears:
"Differentiating calories. I started this chapter by mentioning a statement that drives me nuts: “If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more.” There’s another that I find even more maddening: “A calorie is a calorie.” This one isn’t half-true. It’s wholly false. Your body processes different calories in different ways. It uses much more energy to digest protein than to digest carbohydrates, and more to digest carbohydrates than fat." - from L. Schuler and A. Cosgrove, The New Rules of Lifting, p. 263.
From a pair of fitness experts, not nutrition...3 -
Never change, MFP. Never change.2
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Because there are soooooo many posts on here were users advocate others eating whatever junk they want because 'a calorie is a calorie', so long as there is a deficit.
I don't really have anything new to add to the conversation, I was just reminded of something that I recently came across in the book 'New Rules of Lifting'. This subject is mentioned as something that grinds the author's gears:
"Differentiating calories. I started this chapter by mentioning a statement that drives me nuts: “If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more.” There’s another that I find even more maddening: “A calorie is a calorie.” This one isn’t half-true. It’s wholly false. Your body processes different calories in different ways. It uses much more energy to digest protein than to digest carbohydrates, and more to digest carbohydrates than fat." - from L. Schuler and A. Cosgrove, The New Rules of Lifting, p. 263.
You obviously haven't been to the Easy Mac thread yet.,,,
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I don't get why people have to get so upset over what other people eat.
Don't see what this comment has to do with the thread. I haven't noticed anyone getting upset about what others eat. Could you please point to a comment that you are referring to so this doesn't see so totally out of the blue?
If you are going to be critical of other people it's more polite, I believe, to make sure you do understand what they are saying and also to be specific so others don't think you mean them.If you ask someone who is very successful and fit what they do to get that way, you can't be offended that they don't tell you "I ate pizza, fries and cake the whole time!" because people who are very serious about health are never going to do that.
Hmm, now I am really confused. Maybe you posted in the wrong thread? Or didn't read this one?Everyone is here for different reasons. Many seem to be here to lose weight at the cost of anything else. They won't exercise (used to be me), won't eat a vegetable and then complain that they are starving on their two pieces of pizza and two donuts a day. They refuse to accept that a focus on nutrition AND calories is how many of us get to eat enough food for satiety and get offended when you tell them this has been your successful plan.
Who are these people and what do they have to do with this thread?Someone eating kale is not an indictment of your food choices.
Thank goodness, as I ate kale this morning! Wouldn't want to have thereby indicted my own food choices. I definitely would have had to appoint a special prosecutor for the trial!7 -
I barfed while reading it.crzycatlady1 wrote: »Because there are soooooo many posts on here were users advocate others eating whatever junk they want because 'a calorie is a calorie', so long as there is a deficit.
I don't really have anything new to add to the conversation, I was just reminded of something that I recently came across in the book 'New Rules of Lifting'. This subject is mentioned as something that grinds the author's gears:
"Differentiating calories. I started this chapter by mentioning a statement that drives me nuts: “If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more.” There’s another that I find even more maddening: “A calorie is a calorie.” This one isn’t half-true. It’s wholly false. Your body processes different calories in different ways. It uses much more energy to digest protein than to digest carbohydrates, and more to digest carbohydrates than fat." - from L. Schuler and A. Cosgrove, The New Rules of Lifting, p. 263.
You obviously haven't been to the Easy Mac thread yet.,,,
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Because there are soooooo many posts on here were users advocate others eating whatever junk they want because 'a calorie is a calorie', so long as there is a deficit.
I don't really have anything new to add to the conversation, I was just reminded of something that I recently came across in the book 'New Rules of Lifting'. This subject is mentioned as something that grinds the author's gears:
"Differentiating calories. I started this chapter by mentioning a statement that drives me nuts: “If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more.” There’s another that I find even more maddening: “A calorie is a calorie.” This one isn’t half-true. It’s wholly false. Your body processes different calories in different ways. It uses much more energy to digest protein than to digest carbohydrates, and more to digest carbohydrates than fat." - from L. Schuler and A. Cosgrove, The New Rules of Lifting, p. 263.
This sort of response was addressed earlier in the thread.
You can tell from this that Schuler and Cosgrove are using "calorie" as a synonym for food. That your body spends more calories in digesting protein than in digesting fat or carbs doesn't mean than the calories from protein are different (the foods are different and protein is different from fat).
I think Schuler and Cosgrove would even acknowledge this, that they are using (and assume others are using) "calories" in a slangy way, and that as long as "a calorie is a calorie" is not used to suggest "a food is a food," that they would agree. If they've run into it meaning "it does not matter what you eat," I get the response, but it's very clear when used on MFP that that is not what it means. In particular, satiety is an issue.
On the other hand, worrying about TEF is a fool's game, and I wonder if Schuler and Cosgrove still maintain otherwise (I know they've updated other things about various NRoL books).6 -
Because there are soooooo many posts on here were users advocate others eating whatever junk they want because 'a calorie is a calorie', so long as there is a deficit.
I don't really have anything new to add to the conversation, I was just reminded of something that I recently came across in the book 'New Rules of Lifting'. This subject is mentioned as something that grinds the author's gears:
"Differentiating calories. I started this chapter by mentioning a statement that drives me nuts: “If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more.” There’s another that I find even more maddening: “A calorie is a calorie.” This one isn’t half-true. It’s wholly false. Your body processes different calories in different ways. It uses much more energy to digest protein than to digest carbohydrates, and more to digest carbohydrates than fat." - from L. Schuler and A. Cosgrove, The New Rules of Lifting, p. 263.
Sure, thermic effect exists and is higher for protein rich foods, but that would not make a tangible practical difference within a normal diet. Sure you can burn 100 extra calories or so if you eat more than 80% of your calories in protein, but who does that? Even if we take thermic effect into consideration, the protein in McDonald's burger is processed similarly to a home cooked clean organic grass fed meal with the same macros.3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Because there are soooooo many posts on here were users advocate others eating whatever junk they want because 'a calorie is a calorie', so long as there is a deficit.
I don't really have anything new to add to the conversation, I was just reminded of something that I recently came across in the book 'New Rules of Lifting'. This subject is mentioned as something that grinds the author's gears:
"Differentiating calories. I started this chapter by mentioning a statement that drives me nuts: “If you want to lose weight, eat less and exercise more.” There’s another that I find even more maddening: “A calorie is a calorie.” This one isn’t half-true. It’s wholly false. Your body processes different calories in different ways. It uses much more energy to digest protein than to digest carbohydrates, and more to digest carbohydrates than fat." - from L. Schuler and A. Cosgrove, The New Rules of Lifting, p. 263.
Sure, thermic effect exists and is higher for protein rich foods, but that would not make a tangible practical difference within a normal diet. Sure you can burn 100 extra calories or so if you eat more than 80% of your calories in protein, but who does that? Even if we take thermic effect into consideration, the protein in McDonald's burger is processed similarly to a home cooked clean organic grass fed meal with the same macros.
As clearly evidenced in this study: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/hormonal-responses-fast-food-meal.html/3 -
Good read. I have always firmly believed that many people follow these different diet for a sense of belonging and to boost their egos.
There are certainly less decisions to be made when someone follows a strict preset (to be nice I won't call it a cult) list of do's and don't's. I think that is why at one point diets such as Jenny Craig, Nutrisystem and et al were so popular. People didn't have to make decisions...just eat the pre-made pre-determind meals.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't get why people have to get so upset over what other people eat.
Don't see what this comment has to do with the thread. I haven't noticed anyone getting upset about what others eat. Could you please point to a comment that you are referring to so this doesn't see so totally out of the blue?
If you are going to be critical of other people it's more polite, I believe, to make sure you do understand what they are saying and also to be specific so others don't think you mean them.If you ask someone who is very successful and fit what they do to get that way, you can't be offended that they don't tell you "I ate pizza, fries and cake the whole time!" because people who are very serious about health are never going to do that.
Hmm, now I am really confused. Maybe you posted in the wrong thread? Or didn't read this one?Everyone is here for different reasons. Many seem to be here to lose weight at the cost of anything else. They won't exercise (used to be me), won't eat a vegetable and then complain that they are starving on their two pieces of pizza and two donuts a day. They refuse to accept that a focus on nutrition AND calories is how many of us get to eat enough food for satiety and get offended when you tell them this has been your successful plan.
Who are these people and what do they have to do with this thread?Someone eating kale is not an indictment of your food choices.
Thank goodness, as I ate kale this morning! Wouldn't want to have thereby indicted my own food choices. I definitely would have had to appoint a special prosecutor for the trial!
How dare you persecute me! I haven't had breakfast yet, but I can assure you it won't include kale :sick:5 -
Bookmarked and thank you for this.
Still can't believe there is a blood type diet.1 -
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Bookmarked and thank you for this.
Still can't believe there is a blood type diet.
^^^Ditto! Excellent article.1
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