Thoughts on the "potato diet"?
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PrizePopple wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »
Yes, I'd like to see the studies showing that a HCLF plant based diet cured diabetes.
Choked on my yogurt reading this. High carb curing diabetes... that's amusing.
Amusing but my friend is on a vegan high carb low fat diet managing her diabetes not CURING as thats not a thing.
Its not AS effective as LCHF but it is an option for those who don't like keto.
And she's likely and exception and not the norm when it comes to managing diabetes via high carb. Since by definition it is a spike in blood sugar from the body being unable to process excess carbohydrates. My question would also be what is "high carb" for her? Because high carb for her may be normal for someone else. How many grams of fiber is she getting per day? How many grams of sugar? Whole grains? It all makes a difference.
I know my mother would never be able to, and that's how she became insulin dependent. She couldn't/didn't keep her weight or carb intake in check and her issues worsened. I was exhibiting signs of PCOS that would have indicated much higher androgen levels and being well into being pre-diabetic. I was barely insulin resistant by the numbers, and my androgens also tested in the normal range. So I focus my carbs on hitting my fiber goal (to manage colon issues and a partial colectomy 2 years ago) and after that I don't worry about getting a magical number for carbs. But I'm sure as hell not going to tempt fate or piss off my GP and Endo by going against their advice.
That I can't answer.
I don't pretend to know anything about diabetes. I just know she is managing it on a vegan low fat diet, by recommendation of her physician.
Well, since I do know about it as I have multiple family members with it, and have to keep my own health in check to avoid it... I'm highly skeptical. Maybe it's just that high carb for her simply means high for someone with diabetes and not high for a healthy non-diabetic.
I'd worry that a high carb diet may eventually catch up with a diabetic.. But as already mentioned, how high is this person actually eating??0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »
Yes, I'd like to see the studies showing that a HCLF plant based diet cured diabetes.
Choked on my yogurt reading this. High carb curing diabetes... that's amusing.
Amusing but my friend is on a vegan high carb low fat diet managing her diabetes not CURING as thats not a thing.
Its not AS effective as LCHF but it is an option for those who don't like keto.
And she's likely and exception and not the norm when it comes to managing diabetes via high carb. Since by definition it is a spike in blood sugar from the body being unable to process excess carbohydrates. My question would also be what is "high carb" for her? Because high carb for her may be normal for someone else. How many grams of fiber is she getting per day? How many grams of sugar? Whole grains? It all makes a difference.
I know my mother would never be able to, and that's how she became insulin dependent. She couldn't/didn't keep her weight or carb intake in check and her issues worsened. I was exhibiting signs of PCOS that would have indicated much higher androgen levels and being well into being pre-diabetic. I was barely insulin resistant by the numbers, and my androgens also tested in the normal range. So I focus my carbs on hitting my fiber goal (to manage colon issues and a partial colectomy 2 years ago) and after that I don't worry about getting a magical number for carbs. But I'm sure as hell not going to tempt fate or piss off my GP and Endo by going against their advice.
That I can't answer.
I don't pretend to know anything about diabetes. I just know she is managing it on a vegan low fat diet, by recommendation of her physician.
Well, since I do know about it as I have multiple family members with it, and have to keep my own health in check to avoid it... I'm highly skeptical. Maybe it's just that high carb for her simply means high for someone with diabetes and not high for a healthy non-diabetic.
I'd worry that a high carb diet may eventually catch up with a diabetic.. But as already mentioned, how high is this person actually eating??
No idea as I said. She's eating a vegan low fat. She has salads and steamed veggies, tofu when available when we go out to eat together. Will it catch up, maybe I don't know. I do know there is a link on the ADA to the vegan low fat diet which she provided to me when I mentioned her diet on these boards and got a little push back.
Honestly I have no dog in this fight. All I know is she hated KETO, she was recommended a different diet (which I would hate equally as much as KETO:)) since she couldn't adhere.
I tried to get her to get an account here to talk about her experiences but she is kinda weird, she was raised on a farm in Texas she is a meat eater at heart. Being vegan is a medical necessity in her mind and not something she espouses.1 -
There are Doctors (Neil Barnard, John McDougall and Dean Ornish) claiming to have reversed diabetes with a whole food plant-based protocol with documentation published in medical journals (the Lancet and the ADA journal) I have personally seen this only twice. A friend in Washington reversed his Type 1 Diabetes within six weeks using this program. He hasn't needed insulin injections for over 19 years. I reversed type 2 diabetes in a month with the same protocol.1
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Feel free to read the studies. If you do, you'll see they start with people without extreme progression of the disease numbers (HbA1c's no higher than 8.0% at study onset) and even with Barnard's 74 week study (he did two - one about 6 months in length, and one 74 weeks), they didn't get people to what the ADA considers "controlled" (which is <7.0%).There are Doctors (Neil Barnard, John McDougall and Dean Ornish) claiming to have reversed diabetes with a whole food plant-based protocol with documentation published in medical journals (the Lancet and the ADA journal)
Lower-carb studies, even those providing 30% carbohydrate (non LCHF, non-ketogenic diets) have shown MUCH greater improvement in glycaemic control.
I've never seen it. The only way I can see someone 'reversing' or 'managing' diabetes on a low-fat vegan diet is if; #1: the diabetes wasn't overly progressed, and #2: the diet was hypo-caloric and the weight loss itself was responsible for the improvement in glycaemic control - rather than the diet.I have personally seen this only twice.
No offense, but either, A: Your friend isn't Type I, or; B: He/she is lying, or; C: You're really misunderstanding something. Type I needs insulin as they produce none. They die without it, period. That's basic biochemistry. Type I's cannot 'reverse' diabetes with diet.A friend in Washington reversed his Type 1 Diabetes within six weeks using this program.
Again, then he's either lying, was never Type I or you're misunderstanding things.He hasn't needed insulin injections for over 19 years.
Define 'reversed'? What was your HbA1c at diagnosis? Were you overweight? How much weight did you lose? What's your current HbA1c?I reversed type 2 diabetes in a month with the same protocol.
I personally know dozens of people who've controlled their diabetes with a low-carb regimen, going from over 12% HbA1c to under 7% in 3 months. I've yet to meet a single individual that did the same with a high-carbohydrate diet - vegan or otherwise.
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Respectfully, because you haven't seen it or don't know someone managing on a certain diet doesn't mean it can't happen. The ADA itself has an article on a low fat vegan diet helping.
A low carb high fat diet is superior, I'm certainly not going to debate that, it's just appears there are other options.
I'm going to bow out of this discussion because I really don't have a dog in this fight so to speak. I mentioned it solely based on a personal friends experience, however I've realized it's just not a significant enough to bring up again.
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The ADA also recommends diet soda. I'll bet my bottom dollar this will change within the next 10 years..0
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As well as recommending a diet of 55% or more carbohydrate for diabetics... Lets hope that changes too, since the science simply doesn't support it.Christine_72 wrote: »The ADA also recommends diet soda. I'll bet my bottom dollar this will change within the next 10 years..
I think I need to bow out as well, as we've gone off-topic and this doesn't seem to be about the "Potato Diet" anymore.
I think we all realize a Potato-only diet is really lacking from a nutritional and enjoyment standpoint.
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albertabeefy wrote: »
As well as recommending a diet of 55% or more carbohydrate for diabetics... Lets hope that changes too, since the science simply doesn't support it.Christine_72 wrote: »The ADA also recommends diet soda. I'll bet my bottom dollar this will change within the next 10 years..
I think I need to bow out as well, as we've gone off-topic and this doesn't seem to be about the "Potato Diet" anymore.
I think we all realize a Potato-only diet is really lacking from a nutritional and enjoyment standpoint.
Yes, many diabetics on here are disgusted by the ADA's recommendations.
I don't know why i entered the diabetic convo either lol I'm no where near diabetic, but i have many friends on here who are, from whom I've learned a lot.
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Potato diet? Only if it is fermented and distilled....6
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PrizePopple wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »
Yes, I'd like to see the studies showing that a HCLF plant based diet cured diabetes.
Choked on my yogurt reading this. High carb curing diabetes... that's amusing.
Amusing but my friend is on a vegan high carb low fat diet managing her diabetes not CURING as thats not a thing.
Its not AS effective as LCHF but it is an option for those who don't like keto.
And she's likely and exception and not the norm when it comes to managing diabetes via high carb. Since by definition it is a spike in blood sugar from the body being unable to process excess carbohydrates. My question would also be what is "high carb" for her? Because high carb for her may be normal for someone else. How many grams of fiber is she getting per day? How many grams of sugar? Whole grains? It all makes a difference.
I know my mother would never be able to, and that's how she became insulin dependent. She couldn't/didn't keep her weight or carb intake in check and her issues worsened. I was exhibiting signs of PCOS that would have indicated much higher androgen levels and being well into being pre-diabetic. I was barely insulin resistant by the numbers, and my androgens also tested in the normal range. So I focus my carbs on hitting my fiber goal (to manage colon issues and a partial colectomy 2 years ago) and after that I don't worry about getting a magical number for carbs. But I'm sure as hell not going to tempt fate or piss off my GP and Endo by going against their advice.
That I can't answer.
I don't pretend to know anything about diabetes. I just know she is managing it on a vegan low fat diet, by recommendation of her physician.
Well, since I do know about it as I have multiple family members with it, and have to keep my own health in check to avoid it... I'm highly skeptical. Maybe it's just that high carb for her simply means high for someone with diabetes and not high for a healthy non-diabetic.
The WFPB types claim and present anecdotes of success with T2D with their low fat high carb diets (usually something like 10-15% fat, 10-15% protein, 70-80% carb). Yes, it's very high fiber (all WFPB diets are), and they don't count ratios so this is a rough estimate.
I am not saying it works -- I'm not that interested in T2D and haven't read the studies -- but this is the claim.0 -
Oh, one reaction, though, to the amazement that WFPB can work for diabetes is that contrary to the assertion that carbs cause diabetes the rate of T2D is quite low in cultures with traditional diets (again, like the blue zones) which often are as high carb or higher than the western pattern diet. Therefore, I am skeptical at the idea that carbs are the issue and that such a diet cannot work to treat T2D (although I would follow the advice of a doctor if I had it, but my insulin sensitivity seems to be just fine). I've seen studies that suggest that the combination of high carb and high fat in the western pattern diet, specifically sat fat and highly refined carbs, is likely the bigger risk factor and avoiding this would be beneficial.
I do have one friend who isn't overweight (well, not obese, he's gone back and forth between healthy weight and a little overweight) who has T2D (and eats badly), and he says that he has the most dramatic/problematic blood glucose readings not from plain carbs (like potatoes) but a mix of carbs and fat (like fried versions of American Chinese food, which he said is his worst meal by far).2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »The ADA also recommends diet soda. I'll bet my bottom dollar this will change within the next 10 years..
You can send your dollar to my paypal.
https://examine.com/nutrition/do-artificial-sweeteners-spike-insulin/2 -
stevencloser wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »The ADA also recommends diet soda. I'll bet my bottom dollar this will change within the next 10 years..
You can send your dollar to my paypal.
https://examine.com/nutrition/do-artificial-sweeteners-spike-insulin/
Lol i knew I'd get pulled up for that one, and yes I've read the link before. Time will tell, i guess, If I'm wrong i will send you my dollar
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I don't think I could deal with a diet like that. Eating healthily is all about variety and enjoying loads of different foods! People may want really fast weight loss but often that just isn't healthy or maintainable. I'd rather lose at a slower steadier rate and enjoy what I'm eating.0
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I'm doing the "potato diet" right now I'm on day 7. I will be doing it for 30 days. So far I've lost 4lbs and been able to break through a plateau. This has been the easiest diet Ive ever tried. I feel so satisfied & eat whenever I'm hungry but I still log and know I'm in a deficit but I feel like I eat a ton. I'm not even sick of potatoes yet. Day 2 was the toughest but only mentally, I felt fine physically. I bake potato wedges most the time and eat them with ketchup. Sometimes I make mashed potatoes and I use a lot of siracha. I've also had a little soymilk & spinach. I am just enjoying this way of eating and I have had no cravings. Things could change though, I'm only on day 7. Maybe I will update later.1
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miksmith27 wrote: »I'm doing the "potato diet" right now I'm on day 7. I will be doing it for 30 days. So far I've lost 4lbs and been able to break through a plateau. This has been the easiest diet Ive ever tried. I feel so satisfied & eat whenever I'm hungry but I still log and know I'm in a deficit but I feel like I eat a ton. I'm not even sick of potatoes yet. Day 2 was the toughest but only mentally, I felt fine physically. I bake potato wedges most the time and eat them with ketchup. Sometimes I make mashed potatoes and I use a lot of siracha. I've also had a little soymilk & spinach. I am just enjoying this way of eating and I have had no cravings. Things could change though, I'm only on day 7. Maybe I will update later.
How many calories are you averaging per day @miksmith27 ? I guess my question is, why not eat a variety of healthy foods for the same calories per day as your potato diet? You would have the same results, but with more variety and therefore better nutrition.1 -
I eat my potatoes with apple cider vinegar, because twice the woo means twice the weight loss.12
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CafeRacer808 wrote: »I eat my potatoes with apple cider vinegar, because twice the woo means twice the weight loss.
Oh but you aren't trying hard enough - if you eat your potatoes with ACV as 6 - 8 small meals a day but stop eating before 7pm, you would lose four times the weight!6 -
Having done a lot of diets over the decades, what I've learned is taking the weight off is relatively easy -- keeping it off forever is the hard part. Fad diets don't help because they represent an artificial way of eating and an unnatural relationship with food that you're not going to keep up for the rest of your life.
If you look at a diet like the potato diet or low carb or whatever and think, "I can't wait until I can eat normally again" you're setting yourself up for failure. And if you don't have a plan for maintenance other than "I'll go back to eating normally again" or "I'll just eat less, I guess" you're also setting yourself up for failure. That's why people in the USA are dieting more than ever, and at the same time getting fatter than ever.
It's not about what you eat or even how much you eat, it's a behavioral problem -- and that requires a behavioral solution. I think I can keep logging what I eat for the rest of my life and that for me is a small price to pay for (hopefully) a longer life -- if you don't want to log, you need to figure out how you're going to change your relationship with food for the long haul.3 -
pebble4321 wrote: »CafeRacer808 wrote: »I eat my potatoes with apple cider vinegar, because twice the woo means twice the weight loss.
Oh but you aren't trying hard enough - if you eat your potatoes with ACV as 6 - 8 small meals a day but stop eating before 7pm, you would lose four times the weight!
Will you be my weight loss guru? I'm told I'm a great student and a joy to teach, but I can only pay you in potatoes (Yukon Gold, specifically).1 -
I just wanted to link to this thread in case this is helpful for anyone.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10499571/fad-diets-and-general-recommendations2 -
I just wanted to link to this thread in case this is helpful for anyone.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10499571/fad-diets-and-general-recommendations
Beat me to it, lol.1 -
CafeRacer808 wrote: »pebble4321 wrote: »CafeRacer808 wrote: »I eat my potatoes with apple cider vinegar, because twice the woo means twice the weight loss.
Oh but you aren't trying hard enough - if you eat your potatoes with ACV as 6 - 8 small meals a day but stop eating before 7pm, you would lose four times the weight!
Will you be my weight loss guru? I'm told I'm a great student and a joy to teach, but I can only pay you in potatoes (Yukon Gold, specifically).
Sure. As long as you can ship those potatoes to Australia. Otherwise you can just pay via Paypal like all my other mentees from my great fad diet business
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If i was going to eat 1 food it would be pizza. And there is a guy that ate nothing but pizza to lose weight. Does that mean it's a weight loss miracle? No. He and the people doing the "potato diet" just ate less calories. You don't have to do insane things to lose weight. People have convinced us that weight loss is this hard thing that no one can do without doing insane things... but it's not hard if you avoid the BS out there.
Eat less calories and you will lose weight. It's not a gimmick, it's not magic and Dr Oz isn't selling it on his show for 3 easy payments of $39.99. It will however require some discipline, self control and a willing to change your lifestyle forever.0 -
I like potatoes but with some salt at least. I'd get bored to death after day 2 I'm sure. And only cos I really like them but I'd add salt and then the "diet" would be ruined
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So, I love potatoes. If there was a potato god, I would worship at the altar.
But.....a plain potato is a life ruiner for me. I need at least some butter and salt.
This diet would not last past the first bite of potato for me.0 -
I'm glad to see SpudFit mentioned, but it sucks a lot of people are hating on him.
Dude just today finished a year of eating nothing but potatoes and lost over 100lbs. I was actually chatting with him on Twitter yesterday and ate a plain potato tonight to celebrate his acheivement.
Yes, it goes against everything anyone ever told you, but potatoes are nutritionally complete, and you can survive on them pretty much indefinitely.
Boring? Sure. But if you can hack it you'll lose tons of weight and totally redefine your relationship with food.
I've only done 3 or 4 days myself, but even that short time totally warped my perspective.
It's really, really worth trying. Just think of it as a fast—if you're not hungry enough to eat a plain microwaved potato, you're not hungry.
I 100% recommend it, if only as an experiment to learn about your body and your hunger drive.
How can you re-define your relationship with food by eating only one type of food ?
PS I am vegan and I just feel this odd sensation reading stuff like this, no wonder some people give me weird looks before I even say anything >_<0 -
I really like this as outlined by Tim Steele (aka Potato Hack).
Source: https://visualimpactfitness.com/potato-hack-for-rapid-fat-loss/- Plan on eating just potatoes for 3-5 days.
- Eat 2-5 pounds of potatoes each day.
- No other foods allowed (this includes butter, sour cream, cheese, and bacon bits).
- Salt is allowed, but not encouraged.
- Drink when thirsty: coffee, tea, and water only.
- Heavy exercise is discouraged; light exercise and walking are encouraged.
- Take your normal medications, but dietary supplements will not be needed.
I think it is a good way to "jump start" a more sustainable dieting approach.11 -
rmoore1969 wrote: »I really like this as outlined by Tim Steele (aka Potato Hack).
Source: https://visualimpactfitness.com/potato-hack-for-rapid-fat-loss/- Plan on eating just potatoes for 3-5 days.
- Eat 2-5 pounds of potatoes each day.
- No other foods allowed (this includes butter, sour cream, cheese, and bacon bits).
- Salt is allowed, but not encouraged.
- Drink when thirsty: coffee, tea, and water only.
- Heavy exercise is discouraged; light exercise and walking are encouraged.
- Take your normal medications, but dietary supplements will not be needed.
I think it is a good way to "jump start" a more sustainable dieting approach.
Virtually none of this is necessary and I’m not sure how extreme practices facilitates a sustainable long term approach?5 -
I dont think it is a good way to start anything.
No need for jump starts - just start off sensibly how you mean to carry on - ie do the sustainable dieting approach from the start.5
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