I gain weight by eating healthy????????????
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Thanks for your insight, CattOfTheGarage, but I do disagree with part of your statement - that "You need to cut out all sugar" is nonsense. Saying it's nonsense for everyone is just as incorrect as saying it's necessary for everyone.
There are people using this site who have a history of being at a normal-ish weight, and who seek to stay healthy and increase their health. I wonder if it's mostly these people who react so strongly to the statements they believe are "sugar myths."
At the other end of the spectrum, there are people who use this site because they need to lose a great deal of weight. Perhaps they have been unhealthy for a very long time due to their lack of personal where-with-all to make themselves act like normal-weight people around food. They are bewildered and even demoralized by their evident lack of self control. I don't believe it's this population that takes on the role of the sugar myth buster.
As for myself, upon realizing through experimentation that I was "addicted" to sugar, my natural inclination was to tell other people struggling with self control, "You could try cutting out all sugar!" like I did and see if you find relief from cravings that way. So, in my early days (2010 -2011) on this site, I made some statements about sugar that caused firestorms and I felt rather injured from it.
The posts might well have said, "No, you're fat because you're stupid, not because sugar is hijacking your willpower."
We all need to find the answers that are uniquely true for us, and many of us find it helpful to share our stories, hoping for a compassionate ear or helpful suggestions. So wouldn't it be great if we could all just humbly offer our ideas to each other rather than smugly insisting on them? None of us is omnicient, and last time I checked, God wasn't commenting on these forums.2 -
One aspect that gets the debate going is that it's impossible to cut out all sugar. Are you saying you don't drink milk, eat any fruit, etc? You don't enjoy a holiday or birthday treat ever? It's the absolutes that make no sense. The experienced posters then rebut this because people that are new to the site are reading the forums and may worry that it's impossible to lose weight without cutting out sugar. Also people that have struggled with real addiction or have lived through it with a loved one take offense to the (untrue) notion that a person can truly be "addicted" to sugar. Believing in that feels like taking away the personal responsibility of making balanced food choices within your calorie goal.
FWIW, I've lost 91 lbs and I drink lattes with low fat milk, eat fruit every day and always have something sweet for desert. I've been doing that for 2 years and the reason I've been successful is because this site helped me, for once and for all, get rid of the all-or-nothing mentality that will derail you every time.5 -
Since my last post was so long, I ended up editing out the part where I said I cut out ADDed sugar for a period of time. And the absoluteness of it is what helps me. The all or nothing mentality is absolutely necessary for me for a period of time. Will I ever make exceptions? Sure, Christmas day I had an ounce of panettone. I struggled with cravings for a few days afterwards, so not sure it was worth it. Haven't had added sugar since. I also haven't had uncontrollable cravings since.
The all or nothing mentality is saving me, not derailing me. I don't know how long this period of abstinence needs to continue, but I'm not mourning the loss of treats in my life. Not at all. I'm celebrating my freedom from cravings, the likes of which only some have experienced and know anything at all about.
I've never been addicted to alcohol or drugs, so I can't make a comparison. What I do know is that I've been unable to control my cravings for sugar in the past and it has had major impacts on my health, mobility, family relationships, job, friendships and self esteem. It feels like unable, not unwilling. I'm only one person and can speak only for myself. But this struggle between being willing but unable seems to indicate an addiction of sorts. I don't know why that needs to upset anyone but me, my family, friends, employer and doctor.
It certainly shouldn't upset the MFP community. Why would anyone want to shake a finger at someone who's having success in a healthy way? And what would inspire anyone to accuse me of being weak and stupid because my inner wisdom doesn't work for them? Not compassion. Not helpfulness.0 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »It certainly shouldn't upset the MFP community. Why would anyone want to shake a finger at someone who's having success in a healthy way? And what would inspire anyone to accuse me of being weak and stupid because my inner wisdom doesn't work for them? Not compassion. Not helpfulness.
And nobody will be upset if you say "cutting added sugar helped me". People get upset when somebody says "everyone MUST cut added sugar". They're very different statements.
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SusanMFindlay wrote: »CynthiasChoice wrote: »It certainly shouldn't upset the MFP community. Why would anyone want to shake a finger at someone who's having success in a healthy way? And what would inspire anyone to accuse me of being weak and stupid because my inner wisdom doesn't work for them? Not compassion. Not helpfulness.
And nobody will be upset if you say "cutting added sugar helped me". People get upset when somebody says "everyone MUST cut added sugar". They're very different statements.
I'm still waiting for the opening post that says the former. It always seems to be the latter until challenged, and then the complaints start.0 -
MuT not be eating healthy0
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Your weight on the scales does not reflect what you did yesterday. More like what you did 2 weeks ago. Your weight will fluctuate up and down daily and has little to do with what you ate in the last 24 hours. You're drawing conclusions based on faulty data.1
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Stop over eating0
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annabellechipps wrote: »I understand that weight is fluid. I do not understand my weight. I skip breakfast and lunch almost everyday, which helps with the weight loss. Two days ago i ate only grilled vegetables at dinner time and nothing else. I weighed 128.7. Yesterday i didn't eat breakfast or lunch but i did eat a bunch of cookies, Doritos, peanut butter, three pieces of pizza, and some cake. For some reason, i only weighed 128.2. Today, i ate a large ceaser salad for lunch and a tiny bit of chinese food for dinner and some wheat thins. For some reason i ended up weighing 129.4????
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Hope this thread helped others though.1 -
healthy food or not your gaining weight because you mite be in a surplus0
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CynthiasChoice wrote: »Thanks for your insight, CattOfTheGarage, but I do disagree with part of your statement - that "You need to cut out all sugar" is nonsense. Saying it's nonsense for everyone is just as incorrect as saying it's necessary for everyone....
... So wouldn't it be great if we could all just humbly offer our ideas to each other rather than smugly insisting on them?
Saying "you must cut out sugar" is nonsense.
Saying "I found it helpful to cut out sugar and you might too" is a fair statement.
Even saying "I need to avoid sugar" is very different from "you must cut out sugar".
You seem to think only people who don't really need to lose weight can eat sugar, and those who have serious amounts to lose need to cut it. I was obese class 1 and suffered from binges. Cutting out foods made me worse not better. I can accept that other people are different. I can't accept people saying things like "you must cut out sugar". No. I mustn't.
Yes, wouldn't it be great if we could humbly offer our ideas to each other? Wouldn't it? But instead people feel the need to frame their experience as a rule that everyone else needs to follow.
Please, consider the difference in the two phrases I posted above. In what possible world does "you must cut out sugar" qualify as "humbly offering ideas"? It seems much more like "smugly insisting" to me.8 -
CattOfTheGarage: After some reflection, I see how you interpreted my post. Just to clarify, "You must cut out sugar" is not appropriate to say to anyone, and I assumed I made it clear that I believed that, but perhaps not.
The word I was focusing on was "nonsense." I don't believe we should be telling people that cutting all added sugar from their diets is nonsense, in every case. Perhaps you would agree with that.
What I really wanted to say was "You must cut out sugar" and "You should never try to cut out all added sugar" are both inappropriate.
And this is my concern: Overweight people have been told over and over that they should incorporate added sugar in their diets everyday so that they don't feel deprived and then binge. This advise never seems to cause a stir on this site.
But the opposite advise would be more helpful to those who react to eating sugar by binging. Somehow, this subject has become taboo on this site, and it can't be discussed without walking on eggshells and using all the right words and phrases.
Btw, the smug thing was definitely not pointed at you. I think I was revisiting some old wounds while writing that post, and I apologize if it sounded like I was accusing you. You have been very fair and respectful. Thank you! And congratulations on your success.5 -
Shoot, I'd love it if my weight only varied 1.2lbs in a day. Mine can vary up to 5lbs.
Chill Winstaaaan. Give it time.0
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