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Detox/Cleanse
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
It's kind of sad that you can't just admit that you were wrong. It's very clear reading the thread exactly what you meant.
ETA: or you really need better communication skills.
Also, can we hope that the stuff you keep spouting in other threads is also you 'joking around'?
Newsflash. I had a TBI. I had to relearn everything...reading, writing, speaking, I am effing DISABLED with SEVERE cognitive impairments. So yeah, I have trouble communicating. Experiences like this make me want to give up and wish I hadn't fought so hard to not be a vegetable. You guys have NO IDEA how hard it can be to translate thought into written words.
Well I'm very sorry to hear that Macy, sincerely. But you can't expect strangers on the internet to know that. We take what is written at face value, unless it is made clear at the time that it's a joke. You also could have said way up thread 'hey, guys, sorry I didn't mean to give the impression that's what I believed, I've miscommunicated'. Essentially you've shifted the blame to us, which is pretty unfair.
I could have said that if I had realised what was going on. I honestly thought we were all joking around. All the way through the apple and vodka statement, I was thinking oh were all having a laugh at the detox companies. As soon as I realised that you guys were seriously thinking that was what I believed, I started right away by saying wait a second, that's not MY view, we've had a misunderstanding. You're expecting me to have "caught on" a lot sooner than I actually did... which is not reasonable given my impairments. I'm not trying to shift blame or anything. I was just frustrated and felt I had no choice but to let you know because it was the only way to explain why it took me so long to catch on and try to correct the misunderstanding.
And yet, you told me upthread that I had "no sense of humor"??? If you thought we were "all joking around," not sure why that would be your response. I'm still cynical.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
Okay, point still being you consider those things toxic, and that the body needs to "catch up" with "detoxifying" from them.
Absurd.
No, I don't consider them toxic personally. I was only repeating what the detox companies say to people as instructions for use. Look if someone wrote what do you think about shampoo? And I responded, it's ok but no coincidence the companies tell you to was rinse repeat so they can get you to use more of the stuff. Would you then be all like, oh it's YOUR claim you have to wash your hair repeatedly with shampoo....so how many times is enough? Ten? Twenty? Till the shampoo bottle is gone? Because that is exactly what you lot are so insistent on pinning on me.
This would make sense if you didn't say this.
I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
You specifically said that it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all of the work.
That statement literally is telling us that you think those things are toxic, and your body needs to catch up because of those toxic things.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?7 -
Yes I already quoted your first post in my last post which showed that you think there are toxins in those things. Just stick to your guns, it's ok. Here it is again for you.Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
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kk_inprogress wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?
I never said that so how can I have that view? I think you are confusing me with someone else?0 -
Yes I already quoted your first post in my last post which showed that you think there are toxins in those things. Just stick to your guns, it's ok. Here it is again for you.Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
So? What else was I supposed to call these substances if not toxins? This is a thread about detoxes which people buy to detoxify toxins. Was I supposed to insert a "so-called" in front of every mention of "toxin"? I really don't see a problem with what I wrote. I'd already said they were rubbish, why would I also need to come up with a special term for the word "toxin"?0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
So when you wrote: "Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc." that was the opposite of what you thought?
Are you doing this on all the debate threads or just this one? Because now I don't know how to read your comments on other threads here. I see what looks like "sarcastic hyperbole" in many of your posts and now I don't know how to tell when you mean what you write and when you don't.3 -
kk_inprogress wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?
I never said that so how can I have that view? I think you are confusing me with someone else?
No, it was definitely you.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
It's kind of sad that you can't just admit that you were wrong. It's very clear reading the thread exactly what you meant.
ETA: or you really need better communication skills.
Also, can we hope that the stuff you keep spouting in other threads is also you 'joking around'?
Newsflash. I had a TBI. I had to relearn everything...reading, writing, speaking, I am effing DISABLED with SEVERE cognitive impairments. So yeah, I have trouble communicating. Experiences like this make me want to give up and wish I hadn't fought so hard to not be a vegetable. You guys have NO IDEA how hard it can be to translate thought into written words.
Well I'm very sorry to hear that Macy, sincerely. But you can't expect strangers on the internet to know that. We take what is written at face value, unless it is made clear at the time that it's a joke. You also could have said way up thread 'hey, guys, sorry I didn't mean to give the impression that's what I believed, I've miscommunicated'. Essentially you've shifted the blame to us, which is pretty unfair.
I could have said that if I had realised what was going on. I honestly thought we were all joking around. All the way through the apple and vodka statement, I was thinking oh were all having a laugh at the detox companies. As soon as I realised that you guys were seriously thinking that was what I believed, I started right away by saying wait a second, that's not MY view, we've had a misunderstanding. You're expecting me to have "caught on" a lot sooner than I actually did... which is not reasonable given my impairments. I'm not trying to shift blame or anything. I was just frustrated and felt I had no choice but to let you know because it was the only way to explain why it took me so long to catch on and try to correct the misunderstanding.
And yet, you told me upthread that I had "no sense of humor"??? If you thought we were "all joking around," not sure why that would be your response. I'm still cynical.
The truth is I wrote that comment to the one where you put in all caps "THERE ARE NO TOXINS" but for some reason when I hit post, the Homer pic appeared. I was like WTF happened?0 -
kk_inprogress wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
So asking you what specifically is toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food is a dumb question?
You still don't seem to understand that toxicity is based upon dosage. None of the things you listed, in and of itself, is toxic.
Yes it's a dumb question. Because the poster probably knew the answer or could easily find them for him/herself. As I said, I listed what the detox companies push. I understand toxicity thank you very much for your concern.
I am the poster who asked you the "dumb question". I truly don't understand what you mean when you say that you listed what the detox companies push. Can you clarify, because you seem to be implying that we all understand what you mean and I don't think we do.
Do you think fast food is toxic?
All fast food? In what dosage?
What specific ingredient in fast food is toxic? Is this ingredient in every fast food item?
You knows what's toxic? Drano.
Above is the Drano quote....wasn't me.0 -
kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?
I never said that so how can I have that view? I think you are confusing me with someone else?
No, it was definitely you.
Well it would be the equivalent of drinking a bottle of drain TO ME. That's because I have MCS and I if I eat fast food I puke my guts out due to my personal chemical sensitivities. But that doesn't mean I think fast food is toxic TO EVERYONE.0 -
kk_inprogress wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
So asking you what specifically is toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food is a dumb question?
You still don't seem to understand that toxicity is based upon dosage. None of the things you listed, in and of itself, is toxic.
Yes it's a dumb question. Because the poster probably knew the answer or could easily find them for him/herself. As I said, I listed what the detox companies push. I understand toxicity thank you very much for your concern.
I am the poster who asked you the "dumb question". I truly don't understand what you mean when you say that you listed what the detox companies push. Can you clarify, because you seem to be implying that we all understand what you mean and I don't think we do.
Do you think fast food is toxic?
All fast food? In what dosage?
What specific ingredient in fast food is toxic? Is this ingredient in every fast food item?
You knows what's toxic? Drano.
Above is the Drano quote....wasn't me.
Yeah, a joke I made in response to you initial comment in another thread.
This one:
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kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?
I never said that so how can I have that view? I think you are confusing me with someone else?
No, it was definitely you.
Well it would be the equivalent of drinking a bottle of drain TO ME. That's because I have MCS and I if I eat fast food I puke my guts out due to my personal chemical sensitivities. But that doesn't mean I think fast food is toxic TO EVERYONE.
"Some food is clearly bad and should only be eaten if you would starve to death without it" doesn't sound like a specific personal statement. It sounds like you're saying it is clearly bad for everyone -- otherwise the "you" doesn't make much sense.5 -
kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?
I never said that so how can I have that view? I think you are confusing me with someone else?
No, it was definitely you.
Well it would be the equivalent of drinking a bottle of drain TO ME. That's because I have MCS and I if I eat fast food I puke my guts out due to my personal chemical sensitivities. But that doesn't mean I think fast food is toxic TO EVERYONE.
Does your husband also have MCS? I believe you said he was puking his guts up at Disney World as well.1 -
Yes I already quoted your first post in my last post which showed that you think there are toxins in those things. Just stick to your guns, it's ok. Here it is again for you.Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
So? What else was I supposed to call these substances if not toxins? This is a thread about detoxes which people buy to detoxify toxins. Was I supposed to insert a "so-called" in front of every mention of "toxin"? I really don't see a problem with what I wrote. I'd already said they were rubbish, why would I also need to come up with a special term for the word "toxin"?
It would be standard to either put the word toxin in quotes or put 'so-called' or 'purported' or similar in front of toxin so it is clear you are not using the word in it's true meaning.
Since no one (including me) picked up on your meaning, I'd consider that although you think what you wrote was clear, it is probably because you already knew what you meant. The rest of us don't have that insight.0 -
kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
So asking you what specifically is toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food is a dumb question?
You still don't seem to understand that toxicity is based upon dosage. None of the things you listed, in and of itself, is toxic.
Yes it's a dumb question. Because the poster probably knew the answer or could easily find them for him/herself. As I said, I listed what the detox companies push. I understand toxicity thank you very much for your concern.
I am the poster who asked you the "dumb question". I truly don't understand what you mean when you say that you listed what the detox companies push. Can you clarify, because you seem to be implying that we all understand what you mean and I don't think we do.
Do you think fast food is toxic?
All fast food? In what dosage?
What specific ingredient in fast food is toxic? Is this ingredient in every fast food item?
You knows what's toxic? Drano.
Above is the Drano quote....wasn't me.
Yeah, a joke I made in response to you initial comment in another thread.
This one:
It's true, I'd only eat fast food if it was the last food left on the planet. What's your point? That it's impossible to have different rules for oneself vs others? I can't eat it therefore I must obviously think no one else should be able to either? I can't smoke pot doesn't mean I think it should be delegalised. I can't be around air freshener and perfumes...doesn't mean I think they should be banned. You guys are taking what I was saying as purely in relation to how I live my life personally and assuming I'd apply the same standards to everyone else. Meh.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
So when you wrote: "Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc." that was the opposite of what you thought?
Are you doing this on all the debate threads or just this one? Because now I don't know how to read your comments on other threads here. I see what looks like "sarcastic hyperbole" in many of your posts and now I don't know how to tell when you mean what you write and when you don't.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?
I never said that so how can I have that view? I think you are confusing me with someone else?
No, it was definitely you.
Well it would be the equivalent of drinking a bottle of drain TO ME. That's because I have MCS and I if I eat fast food I puke my guts out due to my personal chemical sensitivities. But that doesn't mean I think fast food is toxic TO EVERYONE.
Does your husband also have MCS? I believe you said he was puking his guts up at Disney World as well.
No, he has a hiatal hernia and no gall bladder. Different issues, same result.0 -
Yes I already quoted your first post in my last post which showed that you think there are toxins in those things. Just stick to your guns, it's ok. Here it is again for you.Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
So? What else was I supposed to call these substances if not toxins? This is a thread about detoxes which people buy to detoxify toxins. Was I supposed to insert a "so-called" in front of every mention of "toxin"? I really don't see a problem with what I wrote. I'd already said they were rubbish, why would I also need to come up with a special term for the word "toxin"?
So... really you can't see it? If you didn't think they were toxins you wouldn't have added that part at all, and I don't know why you can't see that. You added in a part that a pause in consuming toxins is what is making somebody feel better, which means you think those things are toxic. You could have just stopped at the part right before that if you didn't think those things had toxins in them.
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kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
So asking you what specifically is toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food is a dumb question?
You still don't seem to understand that toxicity is based upon dosage. None of the things you listed, in and of itself, is toxic.
Yes it's a dumb question. Because the poster probably knew the answer or could easily find them for him/herself. As I said, I listed what the detox companies push. I understand toxicity thank you very much for your concern.
I am the poster who asked you the "dumb question". I truly don't understand what you mean when you say that you listed what the detox companies push. Can you clarify, because you seem to be implying that we all understand what you mean and I don't think we do.
Do you think fast food is toxic?
All fast food? In what dosage?
What specific ingredient in fast food is toxic? Is this ingredient in every fast food item?
You knows what's toxic? Drano.
Above is the Drano quote....wasn't me.
Yeah, a joke I made in response to you initial comment in another thread.
This one:
It's true, I'd only eat fast food if it was the last food left on the planet. What's your point? That it's impossible to have different rules for oneself vs others? I can't eat it therefore I must obviously think no one else should be able to either? I can't smoke pot doesn't mean I think it should be delegalised. I can't be around air freshener and perfumes...doesn't mean I think they should be banned. You guys are taking what I was saying as purely in relation to how I live my life personally and assuming I'd apply the same standards to everyone else. Meh.
you're applying a very different reading to your statements than is apparent. across the board. at best, you're asking people to read your words in a way that assumes knowledge of your internal thought process even when it's pretty much the opposite of what you're actually saying. that's a difficult if not impossible task, so please don't be defensive when people aren't catching your intended meaning. even now, it seems that the simpler explanation is that you are back-peddling a bit on your previous statements, but that's ok too.
if i went back and re-examined some of my initial beliefs about weight loss and nutrition i would have a lot to correct. even if i go back only a few weeks i'd be able to see things more clearly because i'm always reading and learning as i go. that's the way it works for a lot of us, especially on the forums where there's information coming from all sides and types of sources. if (IF) you thought that toxins existed in fast food when you wrote your comments and then learned that they weren't, that's awesome! then this whole mfp forum endeavor is serving its purpose and educating people as well as providing an astounding plethora of reaction gifs.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
So when you wrote: "Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc." that was the opposite of what you thought?
Are you doing this on all the debate threads or just this one? Because now I don't know how to read your comments on other threads here. I see what looks like "sarcastic hyperbole" in many of your posts and now I don't know how to tell when you mean what you write and when you don't.
I wrote that as an exaggeration of the properties of the substances in an attempt to mimic detox company hype. Because it's true that for example caffeine is addictive..but it's a very mild type of addiction where you get a headache and move on. These detox companies take facts and then inflate them to create fear....like "addictive chemical" makes it sound like it's crack or something...which it isn't.
Doing what on all the threads? Trying to ensure I am not misunderstood? Yes. Yes I am. If you're not sure what I'm trying to get at on a specific thread, please feel free to say something...like hold up do you really mean such and such?
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5 people attacking Macy and covering the same point.2
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Hard to keep up with the spin in this thread.
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A white knight appears!
This thread delivers well for a Wednesday.11 -
Yes I already quoted your first post in my last post which showed that you think there are toxins in those things. Just stick to your guns, it's ok. Here it is again for you.Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
So? What else was I supposed to call these substances if not toxins? This is a thread about detoxes which people buy to detoxify toxins. Was I supposed to insert a "so-called" in front of every mention of "toxin"? I really don't see a problem with what I wrote. I'd already said they were rubbish, why would I also need to come up with a special term for the word "toxin"?
So... really you can't see it? If you didn't think they were toxins you wouldn't have added that part at all, and I don't know why you can't see that. You added in a part that a pause in consuming toxins is what is making somebody feel better, which means you think those things are toxic. You could have just stopped at the part right before that if you didn't think those things had toxins in them.
Added what part? The body working to catch up part? Geez Louise I've already explained what I was thinking at the time....these are marketed as hang over cures...people go on a pub crawl, get hungover and then do a quick detox tea the next morning thinking it's what gets them bight eyed and bushy tailed for a University exam when it's just their body catching up on processing the alcohol.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
So when you wrote: "Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc." that was the opposite of what you thought?
Are you doing this on all the debate threads or just this one? Because now I don't know how to read your comments on other threads here. I see what looks like "sarcastic hyperbole" in many of your posts and now I don't know how to tell when you mean what you write and when you don't.
I wrote that as an exaggeration of the properties of the substances in an attempt to mimic detox company hype. Because it's true that for example caffeine is addictive..but it's a very mild type of addiction where you get a headache and move on. These detox companies take facts and then inflate them to create fear....like "addictive chemical" makes it sound like it's crack or something...which it isn't.
Doing what on all the threads? Trying to ensure I am not misunderstood? Yes. Yes I am. If you're not sure what I'm trying to get at on a specific thread, please feel free to say something...like hold up do you really mean such and such?
I was asking if you were using sarcastic hyperbole that didn't reflect your actual thoughts in multiple threads or just here. I understand you're saying you didn't mean what you said over multiple posts here, but I still have no idea how to tell whether you mean something or don't.
I guess it isn't that important -- I mean, you're not writing specifically for me. But it makes it confusing to engage with you in debates when I can't tell when something is your actual position and something is sarcastic hyperbole that is the opposite of what you actually think.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
So when you wrote: "Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc." that was the opposite of what you thought?
Are you doing this on all the debate threads or just this one? Because now I don't know how to read your comments on other threads here. I see what looks like "sarcastic hyperbole" in many of your posts and now I don't know how to tell when you mean what you write and when you don't.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
Holy backpedal, Batman. You seriously expect us to now believe you weren't saying all those things you listed are toxic?
Yes I do. Because if you read the thread all I said was that part of the selling strategy of the detox companies is to tell people to "abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food" which is what is written as instructions for use on a lot of these detox programs...I said they say that specifically so people think they are being "detoxified" when in fact their body does all the work. Then, I was specifically asked to list what could be considered toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. I was thinking it was a joke question, which is why I asked if they were serious. Then I gave them what they asked for...the reasons why some people think they are toxic. Then you all jump in, not reading the whole thread and make some assumption that what I am reporting is somehow my personal view.
Yeah there is no way you were writing all of those posts to tell us what the "detox" companies are trying to tell us. It came across loud and clear that you think those things are toxic, and that's why you argued so hard for them, and had all of those specific examples you tried to push on everyone. Then you expect us to believe your whole ignorance is bliss post was to the people who think detoxes are a cure all, but the people you were arguing with were specifically telling you detoxes are garbage, and you don't have toxins in your body? You know that doesn't make sense right? I mean was there actually anybody on this whole post at that time that said anything about detoxes being a good thing?
? Go read my first post..which was incidentally, the first post on this thread after the OP. I said that detoxes were snake oil and a waste of money...so it makes no sense to say that I was arguing "so hard" with people who were also saying detoxes are garbage. Why would I argue against my own opinion?
I only posted specifics because I was asked and I quote "what specifically is toxic about these substances?" Which set me back...hence my "seriously?" comment...I at first didn't want to answer because I don't think they're toxic and it's clear from my first post I was trashing detoxes...but I thought, what the hey, maybe they just want to know why people who buy detoxes view these things as toxic. Thus the sarcastic hyperbole in my posts about "highly toxic" and "your heart stops" and "if it's not a toxin why do they call it intoxication?" it was all sarcasm.
I can be very snarky, but this is an entirely serious question. Do you still view fast food as the equivalent of drinking Drano, then?
I never said that so how can I have that view? I think you are confusing me with someone else?
No, it was definitely you.
Well it would be the equivalent of drinking a bottle of drain TO ME. That's because I have MCS and I if I eat fast food I puke my guts out due to my personal chemical sensitivities. But that doesn't mean I think fast food is toxic TO EVERYONE.
Does your husband also have MCS? I believe you said he was puking his guts up at Disney World as well.
No, he has a hiatal hernia and no gall bladder. Different issues, same result.
Having just recovered from surgery to correct a very large hiatal hernia (and no gallbladder also) I can attest to the fact that too much food, not supposed "toxins" are what causes stomach pain and vomiting with a hiatal hernia. The lack of a gallbladder gives you the runs if you eat too much fat without balancing it with fiber. It does not cause vomiting.5 -
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So? What else was I supposed to call these substances if not toxins? This is a thread about detoxes which people buy to detoxify toxins. Was I supposed to insert a "so-called" in front of every mention of "toxin"? I really don't see a problem with what I wrote. I'd already said they were rubbish, why would I also need to come up with a special term for the word "toxin"? [/quote]
So... really you can't see it? If you didn't think they were toxins you wouldn't have added that part at all, and I don't know why you can't see that. You added in a part that a pause in consuming toxins is what is making somebody feel better, which means you think those things are toxic. You could have just stopped at the part right before that if you didn't think those things had toxins in them.
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Added what part? The body working to catch up part? Geez Louise I've already explained what I was thinking at the time....these are marketed as hang over cures...people go on a pub crawl, get hungover and then do a quick detox tea the next morning thinking it's what gets them bight eyed and bushy tailed for a University exam when it's just their body catching up on processing the alcohol. [/quote]
Ah gotcha, you are the person who can't admit they are wrong so keep arguing, and blaming the other people until they stop. You literarily skipped over the part I said you added, and put in a different part, like it makes no sense, and it's hilarious to watch you try to change things around, but forget that everyone else can see what has already been said. But I gotcha, you are trying to explain what the marketing department at each detox company is trying to make us believe...right.
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jessiferrrb wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »kk_inprogress wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
Natural, non-processed foods are full of chemicals which are also toxins. Should I not eat an apple because cyanide?
First time I've ever seen anyone argue that alcohol is no more toxic than an apple........beggars belief. Besides the trace cyanide is in the apple seeds which hardly anyone actually eats..I certainly don't eat apple seeds.
The point is that your body has every thing it needs to "cleanse" any "toxins" you may ingest. You do not need to drink a tea, or swallow a pill, or stick something to the bottom of your feet for this to happen. If your body was not doing it, you would be in immediate need of a doctor, not a tea.
Why are you preaching to the choir? I distinctly remember calling these products "snake oil" and a waste of money.
You're the one claiming there are any "toxins" to be scared of in the first place. Which there aren't.
Er, no I didn't claim there were any toxins "to be scared of." I said that it's no coincidence that these detox products require users to abstain from toxins such as alcohol, caffeine and fast food so that people think it is the product doing the detoxifying when it fact it is their own body catching up.
ok, but i don't think that anyone is arguing with most of that. but i think it's the notion that your body is full of toxins from fast food, caffeine, etc. that people are arguing against.
A notion that I did NOT espouse in any way. I was asked to list what could possibly be toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food. So I did. I never for a second said that we're all laden with toxins. It was all about what these products tell people (suckers) to do whilst taking their products.
So, you didn't say this?
"Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc."
How is a person supposed to interpret that?!?
Ok, I said that these detox diets tell people to abstain from caffeine, alcohol and fast food...as "toxins" I am asked what could possibly be toxic? So I answer the question with what the detox company would say... i thought it was a dumb question which is why I asked if they were serious.
So asking you what specifically is toxic about alcohol, caffeine and fast food is a dumb question?
You still don't seem to understand that toxicity is based upon dosage. None of the things you listed, in and of itself, is toxic.
Yes it's a dumb question. Because the poster probably knew the answer or could easily find them for him/herself. As I said, I listed what the detox companies push. I understand toxicity thank you very much for your concern.
I am the poster who asked you the "dumb question". I truly don't understand what you mean when you say that you listed what the detox companies push. Can you clarify, because you seem to be implying that we all understand what you mean and I don't think we do.
Do you think fast food is toxic?
All fast food? In what dosage?
What specific ingredient in fast food is toxic? Is this ingredient in every fast food item?
You knows what's toxic? Drano.
Above is the Drano quote....wasn't me.
Yeah, a joke I made in response to you initial comment in another thread.
This one:
It's true, I'd only eat fast food if it was the last food left on the planet. What's your point? That it's impossible to have different rules for oneself vs others? I can't eat it therefore I must obviously think no one else should be able to either? I can't smoke pot doesn't mean I think it should be delegalised. I can't be around air freshener and perfumes...doesn't mean I think they should be banned. You guys are taking what I was saying as purely in relation to how I live my life personally and assuming I'd apply the same standards to everyone else. Meh.
you're applying a very different reading to your statements than is apparent. across the board. at best, you're asking people to read your words in a way that assumes knowledge of your internal thought process even when it's pretty much the opposite of what you're actually saying. that's a difficult if not impossible task, so please don't be defensive when people aren't catching your intended meaning. even now, it seems that the simpler explanation is that you are back-peddling a bit on your previous statements, but that's ok too.
if i went back and re-examined some of my initial beliefs about weight loss and nutrition i would have a lot to correct. even if i go back only a few weeks i'd be able to see things more clearly because i'm always reading and learning as i go. that's the way it works for a lot of us, especially on the forums where there's information coming from all sides and types of sources. if (IF) you thought that toxins existed in fast food when you wrote your comments and then learned that they weren't, that's awesome! then this whole mfp forum endeavor is serving its purpose and educating people as well as providing an astounding plethora of reaction gifs.
Don't we all have the same issue of not knowing a person's internal thought processes? I didn't/don't think there were/are toxins in fast food, but fast food is toxic to me because I have a rare medical condition. I can see how that would cause confusion so I'm not overly bothered by that. I did slip into the "you" vs "I" on last food on planet but that because it's how my Dr said it to me so that's how I remember it....again can see how that would cause confusion. I am sure I will change my opinions on some things over time...I like to learn new info so nothing is an open and shut case with me.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I think the detox/cleanse things are just snake oil....a waste of money. Its no coincidence that these detox/cleanse regimes include not consuming toxins (fast food, alcohol, caffeine, etc). All it does is sell you the idea that some special tea or colon cleansing herb is doing the detox when actually it's the pause in consuming toxins and allowing your body's natural systems to catch up that is doing all the work.
While I agree with you that detox/cleanses are a waste of money scam... I'm curious at your comment seeming to indicate that fast food, alcohol, and caffeine are toxins. What specifically is toxic about these substances?
Are you seriously asking this? Alcohol is highly toxic and a carcinogen. Caffeine is an addictive chemical. Both alcohol and caffeine are mood altering drugs. Fast food is full of random artificial chemicals which are also toxins...preservatives, flavourings, dyes, trans fats, etc.
then i should be dead by now...2
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