Does cardio eat away muscle? Is it diet? Is it cardio? Is it GENES?
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Wait wait the what? Who's the Olympic athlete?yvanvillegas wrote: »
Bro, it's not her genetics. At your height and weight you're likely not more than 135lbs of lean mass. And that's not a lot. So her lean mass for her height versus your lean mass versus height is likely more per sq. inch.yvanvillegas wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »My good man, I am 7 inches shorter than you, female, weigh 136lbs and do a mere 4-6 hours of cardiovascular stuff a week plus half- Kitten press-ups and such each day. Unless the kitten stands on me, in which case they're full press-ups. I think we can assume you're a lot more muscular than me, yeah?
And I am continuing to lose weight when I stay between 1500 and 2000 calories!
Then your genetics are totally different than Mine, we don't digest food and absorb nutrients the same way, if I stepped it up to 2000 kcal daily I will look like a marshmallow, soft and that's uncomfortable for me. My metabolism is really slow trust me.
Also there is a thing called adaptive thermogenisis. Look it up and maybe you'll understand.
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I honestly can't tell if this is real.9
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Lol, skill sets are different from people to people. Losing weight and CICO, not so much. Physiology 101. You're not "special". I've heard this same sad *kitten* story from people just like you lots of times and the conclusion is usually the same....................a lack of understanding of how metabolism actually works.yvanvillegas wrote: »
Bro, it's not her genetics. At your height and weight you're likely not more than 135lbs of lean mass. And that's not a lot. So her lean mass for her height versus your lean mass versus height is likely more per sq. inch.yvanvillegas wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »My good man, I am 7 inches shorter than you, female, weigh 136lbs and do a mere 4-6 hours of cardiovascular stuff a week plus half- Kitten press-ups and such each day. Unless the kitten stands on me, in which case they're full press-ups. I think we can assume you're a lot more muscular than me, yeah?
And I am continuing to lose weight when I stay between 1500 and 2000 calories!
Then your genetics are totally different than Mine, we don't digest food and absorb nutrients the same way, if I stepped it up to 2000 kcal daily I will look like a marshmallow, soft and that's uncomfortable for me. My metabolism is really slow trust me.
Also there is a thing called adaptive thermogenisis. Look it up and maybe you'll understand.
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I'm almost convinced that this is a wind-up, but I just have a niggling bit of worry that this is a human being posting from the heart about his misapprehensions.
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Or they're bored with their life. The need to feel "special" is strong this week.
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yvanvillegas wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »yvanvillegas wrote: »
Plenty. They make it fit their macros.
I'm sorry but if you are trying to get a ripped shredded look you won't be able to do that by fitting in a 400-600 calorie slice of pizza
Currently doing it. Couple of weeks ago I ate a whole pizza to myself. Followed by dessert. Tonight was hamburger and chips. With dessert.
Prepped in to bodybuilding shows using IIFYM, including "treats" in my diet. I'm definitely not special, or unusual.
When I see it I'll believe it[/quote]
I see it and i do believe it, with my son. He's 6" around 176lbs and the amount of food he puts away makes me all warm and fuzzy. There is not an ounce of pinchable fat on that boy, he is a solid wall of muscle. He eats a lot because he trains a lot, he needs that fuel (food) to sustain his training and physique.
I'm 5'8, female age 45 and wont go below 1600 calories to lose weight.4 -
yvanvillegas wrote: »meganridenour wrote: »yvanvillegas wrote: »how many ripped people have you seen that eat pizza and still look lean AF?
Umm LOTS. Like, most of them.
To answer your original question, to me it seems quite obvious that you are eating too little. Why are you eating so little???
It's March right now, coming into spring I will be cutting my cal to 1200-1000kcal daily I eat little because I weight 153lbs at 5'9 32yrsold belive me I ate 2500 -3000kcal daily exercising in my younger years I looked like a water buffalo. I eat clean foods no more powdered supps none of that crap
Just for a comparison. I am 4'11, weight 105 pounds and am a female. My TDEE for an inactive lifestyle is around 1400. You are male and considerably larger. There is no way you should be eating that little a day.4 -
Lol, skill sets are different from people to people. Losing weight and CICO, not so much. Physiology 101. You're not "special". I've heard this same sad *kitten* story from people just like you lots of times and the conclusion is usually the same....................a lack of understanding of how metabolism actually works.yvanvillegas wrote: »
Bro, it's not her genetics. At your height and weight you're likely not more than 135lbs of lean mass. And that's not a lot. So her lean mass for her height versus your lean mass versus height is likely more per sq. inch.yvanvillegas wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »My good man, I am 7 inches shorter than you, female, weigh 136lbs and do a mere 4-6 hours of cardiovascular stuff a week plus half- Kitten press-ups and such each day. Unless the kitten stands on me, in which case they're full press-ups. I think we can assume you're a lot more muscular than me, yeah?
And I am continuing to lose weight when I stay between 1500 and 2000 calories!
Then your genetics are totally different than Mine, we don't digest food and absorb nutrients the same way, if I stepped it up to 2000 kcal daily I will look like a marshmallow, soft and that's uncomfortable for me. My metabolism is really slow trust me.
Also there is a thing called adaptive thermogenisis. Look it up and maybe you'll understand.
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How did I say I was special if I referred to myself as an average or below average Joe with average or below average body type with average or below average fitness...where does the special part come in? I think that 150$ you payed for that cert that you slap on to your every response is making YOU FEEL SPECIAL
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yvanvillegas wrote: »
Lol, skill sets are different from people to people. Losing weight and CICO, not so much. Physiology 101. You're not "special". I've heard this same sad *kitten* story from people just like you lots of times and the conclusion is usually the same....................a lack of understanding of how metabolism actually works.yvanvillegas wrote: »
Bro, it's not her genetics. At your height and weight you're likely not more than 135lbs of lean mass. And that's not a lot. So her lean mass for her height versus your lean mass versus height is likely more per sq. inch.yvanvillegas wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »My good man, I am 7 inches shorter than you, female, weigh 136lbs and do a mere 4-6 hours of cardiovascular stuff a week plus half- Kitten press-ups and such each day. Unless the kitten stands on me, in which case they're full press-ups. I think we can assume you're a lot more muscular than me, yeah?
And I am continuing to lose weight when I stay between 1500 and 2000 calories!
Then your genetics are totally different than Mine, we don't digest food and absorb nutrients the same way, if I stepped it up to 2000 kcal daily I will look like a marshmallow, soft and that's uncomfortable for me. My metabolism is really slow trust me.
Also there is a thing called adaptive thermogenisis. Look it up and maybe you'll understand.
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How did I say I was special if I referred to myself as an average or below average Joe with average or below average body type with average or below average fitness...where does the special part come in? I think that 150$ you payed for that cert that you slap on to your every response is making YOU FEEL SPECIAL
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You are "special" if you really put on weight/fat by eating a normal amount of calories.3 -
This is the best thread on the board!
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My stats aren't that far off of you. I'm 5'10", 161 lbs and I've lost 2 lbs since Christmas on 2000 calories per day with several cheat days in there of 2300-2500 and a couple over that. I lift 4 days a week. I need at least 2100 or 2200 to maintain and based on what you posted, you are probably burning more calories working out than me as I do very little cardio. Oh, and once a week I have a medium one of these and a small, homemade. Medium is 1200 calories, small is snack size at 600:yvanvillegas wrote: »
And if I'm not very big I guess I shouldn't consume a lot of calories, considering the fact you mentioned that i don't have a lot of body mass correct? (Cough cough)
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The "special" part where your metabolism defies what the average Joe does to lose weight. As for my cert, I've posted ever since I've started here. Just out of habit. And no need for me to garner attention. I'm here to help educate people that want to actually learn. You're helping them by letting me respond to the misinformation you post.yvanvillegas wrote: »
Lol, skill sets are different from people to people. Losing weight and CICO, not so much. Physiology 101. You're not "special". I've heard this same sad *kitten* story from people just like you lots of times and the conclusion is usually the same....................a lack of understanding of how metabolism actually works.yvanvillegas wrote: »
Bro, it's not her genetics. At your height and weight you're likely not more than 135lbs of lean mass. And that's not a lot. So her lean mass for her height versus your lean mass versus height is likely more per sq. inch.yvanvillegas wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »My good man, I am 7 inches shorter than you, female, weigh 136lbs and do a mere 4-6 hours of cardiovascular stuff a week plus half- Kitten press-ups and such each day. Unless the kitten stands on me, in which case they're full press-ups. I think we can assume you're a lot more muscular than me, yeah?
And I am continuing to lose weight when I stay between 1500 and 2000 calories!
Then your genetics are totally different than Mine, we don't digest food and absorb nutrients the same way, if I stepped it up to 2000 kcal daily I will look like a marshmallow, soft and that's uncomfortable for me. My metabolism is really slow trust me.
Also there is a thing called adaptive thermogenisis. Look it up and maybe you'll understand.
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How did I say I was special if I referred to myself as an average or below average Joe with average or below average body type with average or below average fitness...where does the special part come in? I think that 150$ you payed for that cert that you slap on to your every response is making YOU FEEL SPECIAL
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So what are you trying to achieve OP? Based on several questions that you have asked, there have been a lot of good advice pointing you in the right direction, which you do not seem to be willing to take. At this point, I'd almost suggest that you try to understand what your actual goals are, and listen to the advice of those who are more successful and have a greater understanding of this than you. But starving yourself is going to increase adaptive thermogenesis and lead to muscle loss, which is why you look like a crack head. So from what I can gather, your diet and your exercise program is highly ineffective and not supporting your goals, which is why you are in this predicament.13
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yvanvillegas wrote: »
Lol, skill sets are different from people to people. Losing weight and CICO, not so much. Physiology 101. You're not "special". I've heard this same sad *kitten* story from people just like you lots of times and the conclusion is usually the same....................a lack of understanding of how metabolism actually works.yvanvillegas wrote: »
Bro, it's not her genetics. At your height and weight you're likely not more than 135lbs of lean mass. And that's not a lot. So her lean mass for her height versus your lean mass versus height is likely more per sq. inch.yvanvillegas wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »My good man, I am 7 inches shorter than you, female, weigh 136lbs and do a mere 4-6 hours of cardiovascular stuff a week plus half- Kitten press-ups and such each day. Unless the kitten stands on me, in which case they're full press-ups. I think we can assume you're a lot more muscular than me, yeah?
And I am continuing to lose weight when I stay between 1500 and 2000 calories!
Then your genetics are totally different than Mine, we don't digest food and absorb nutrients the same way, if I stepped it up to 2000 kcal daily I will look like a marshmallow, soft and that's uncomfortable for me. My metabolism is really slow trust me.
Also there is a thing called adaptive thermogenisis. Look it up and maybe you'll understand.
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How did I say I was special if I referred to myself as an average or below average Joe with average or below average body type with average or below average fitness...where does the special part come in? I think that 150$ you payed for that cert that you slap on to your every response is making YOU FEEL SPECIAL
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I think he's pretty special. Working in a fitness center I'm in close proximity with a few trainers who, frankly, are turds. This random guy on the internet is the one I'm most inclined to take advice from.5 -
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I would be hangry and would start a binge(I dont have an eating disorder,never have) if I ate only 1000 calories. hell I eat more than that when Im sick. 1000 calories is way to low for a male. you need to see a specialist because OP you have disordered thinking when it comes to calories. I dont even see how you have any energy to even workout eating so little. if your BMR is actually that low,its because you eating so little calories caused it to be that low.I have a metabolic disorder and eat more than you as still lose weight,although its slower.
oh and as for genetics both my parents were average weight(not overweight),and I was normal weight all my life. I used to be able to eat whatever I wanted. its when I became less active and eating more that I became overweight/obese.
I was thin almost all my life up until then. I was told genetics would determine if you are going to be fat or not,by teachers,peers,etc.
well that was a lie,because I did get fat(I was never taught you had to watch your calories and be active).., in fact all my sisters gained weight,we were all thin as kids and young adults.mom was never overweight(even before she became an alcoholic) and we were taught healthy eating habits as children.
so no I dont believe genetics play a part if you are going to be obese or not unless its a health issue causing it,but then again you can still lose weight even with health issue.5 -
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Not for the reasons you think, though.1 -
No kidding. My 82 yr old 5' 2" uncle who probably weighs somewhere around 145 lbs eats more, though admittedly he's less into pizza and more into Hungry Man frozen dinners, all-you-can-eat Chinese buffets and cheeseburgers. Oh, and Mrs. Smith's frozen pumpkin pies.
Now, he's still decently muscular and very active for a guy his age. Very wiry, gets his resistance training lifting car parts as a hobbyist mechanic and does 45min of NordicTrak skiing at the highest resistance every day. But still.
OP, you really need to rethink your diet.13 -
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yvanvillegas wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote:Plenty. They make it fit their macros.
I'm sorry but if you are trying to get a ripped shredded look you won't be able to do that by fitting in a 400-600 calorie slice of pizza
BS.
Many "ripped" individuals will eat foods like pizza, especially on a bulk and even on a cut. It's all about calories.3 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Not eating enough to maintain is what is eating away at your muscle. You're eating way too little.
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yvanvillegas wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote:Plenty. They make it fit their macros.
I'm sorry but if you are trying to get a ripped shredded look you won't be able to do that by fitting in a 400-600 calorie slice of pizza
Yes, you can. I know competitive bodybuilders who eat this way.1 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »yvanvillegas wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »My good man, I am 7 inches shorter than you, female, weigh 136lbs and do a mere 4-6 hours of cardiovascular stuff a week plus half- Kitten press-ups and such each day. Unless the kitten stands on me, in which case they're full press-ups. I think we can assume you're a lot more muscular than me, yeah?
And I am continuing to lose weight when I stay between 1500 and 2000 calories!
Then your genetics are totally different than Mine, we don't digest food and absorb nutrients the same way, if I stepped it up to 2000 kcal daily I will look like a marshmallow, soft and that's uncomfortable for me. My metabolism is really slow trust me.
You've had it tested in a lab, then?
My metabolism was slow too, when I purged by exercise. Dude, eat more. I had to let myself get overweight before I got healthy enough to lose to a normal weight. I am 48, 5'7" and 160 ish pounds depending on the day. You look underweight because you are.1 -
This is the best thread on the board!
I know right!!
OP is asking why his muscles are eaten away each summer to the point of looking like a drug addict. His possible suggested answers...
a) Cardio
b) Diet
c) Genes
Everyone answers b) Diet, not eating enough food to maintain muscle mass. He flips out and argues for several pages.
But, you have to admit, a 1,000-1,200 calories per day diet while working out is not an easy feat. That takes a ton of willpower.5 -
Scotty2HotPie wrote: »This is the best thread on the board!
I know right!!
OP is asking why his muscles are eaten away each summer to the point of looking like a drug addict. His possible suggested answers...
a) Cardio
b) Diet
c) Genes
Everyone answers b) Diet, not eating enough food to maintain muscle mass. He flips out and argues for several pages.
But, you have to admit, a 1,000-1,200 calories per day diet while working out is not an easy feat. That takes a ton of willpower.
Well - except the workouts probably suck big time to what they could be if fueling for them properly and for good recovery.
So they probably really aren't that good and burning a lot.
The body has ways to adapt.6 -
cerise_noir wrote: »yvanvillegas wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote:Plenty. They make it fit their macros.
I'm sorry but if you are trying to get a ripped shredded look you won't be able to do that by fitting in a 400-600 calorie slice of pizza
BS.
Many "ripped" individuals will eat foods like pizza, especially on a bulk and even on a cut. It's all about calories.
When you do it and show me I'll take your word serioiously , for the mean time keep chewing those raw veggies lololo0 -
I dont advocate eating mostly junk food, for health reasons. But this guy proves you wrong OP.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it/p16 -
Id look to re-evaluate a few things in your training and nutrition. Possibly swapping out fats or carbs for a few more grams of protein. Depending on what your aim in the gym is your caloric intake can be as much as over 3000 calories.
In terms of the cardio, i believe a steady pace run (jog) for example doesn't help with muscle growth. You either need to look at high intensity interval training or slow stair master (examples)
Also, patience is a massive thing here. Please dont forget that.1
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