21 days 2 shakes a day, Apr 18- May 9
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Op I found exercising helped with tiredness
With regards to the two shakes I will be polite and not comment
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You're right, it's poison in excess. Fatty liver anyone?
Water will kill you in excess. I wouldn't recommend drinking special shakes to "detox" your body from water "toxins."
If you enjoy drinking shakes and you feel like it's making you healthy, you do you. I don't think any posters are coming by to slap the shake out of your hand. The problem I think most people have is with spreading misinformation. Sugar is not a toxin. "Detoxes" are not a thing. Actual toxins are removed by your liver and kidneys as other posters have said. If your point is that excess sugar is bad - ok, that's a true statement. But shakes (with sugar) mixed with milk (that also has sugar) along with fruit (more sugar) is not a magical combination that sucks up your body's excess sugar. It's pseudoscience, and it's unfortunate if someone comes to these message boards looking for a weight loss solution and sees someone say they detoxed their body from sugar by drinking sugar shakes for 21 days.
Tldr: if you like shakes, drink them but don't expect people to be silent if you advocate diet strategies with no scientific basis.6 -
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Ok. First, I will admit, in the interest of full disclosure, that I feel a little bit judgmental about your method. But I do have a couple of legitimate questions that I ask in all sincerity because I don't understand the attraction of this method:
1) why the need to reset? I guess I feel like if you are eating a healthy diet there shouldn't really be a need to reset. I honestly don't get it. What is going on with your body that makes you feel like you need to reset?
2) how will you maintain your weight loss? I have a great deal of difficulty losing weight myself, and can't imagine what would happened to me, personally, if I tried to survive on two shakes and a meal, arrived at whatever weight I arrived at after a month, and then tried to maintain that weight on regular food. How do you do that?5 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »Op I found exercising helped with tiredness
With regards to the two shakes I will be polite and not comment
Good luck
They're not really "shakes", it's raw veggies and fruit I'm juicing or blending. I call it a shake though. It's just food I'm drinking to get more nutrients and servings than I could have ingested otherwise for a brief period of time. Nothing more healthy than that.1 -
Ok. First, I will admit, in the interest of full disclosure, that I feel a little bit judgmental about your method. But I do have a couple of legitimate questions that I ask in all sincerity because I don't understand the attraction of this method:
1) why the need to reset? I guess I feel like if you are eating a healthy diet there shouldn't really be a need to reset. I honestly don't get it. What is going on with your body that makes you feel like you need to reset?
2) how will you maintain your weight loss? I have a great deal of difficulty losing weight myself, and can't imagine what would happened to me, personally, if I tried to survive on two shakes and a meal, arrived at whatever weight I arrived at after a month, and then tried to maintain that weight on regular food. How do you do that?
Read the entire thread. All those questions have been covered. And also, how can you be judgmental about my "method" when you don't even know what it is? Thank you for asking, however, and admitting your judgments. But, I'm sure when you read my details you'll see this was blown completely out of proportion because of assumptions and general arguementativeness. So, again, thank you for taking the high road here.1 -
msalicia07 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »Op I found exercising helped with tiredness
With regards to the two shakes I will be polite and not comment
Good luck
They're not really "shakes", it's raw veggies and fruit I'm juicing or blending. I call it a shake though. It's just food I'm drinking to get more nutrients and servings than I could have ingested otherwise for a brief period of time. Nothing more healthy than that.
Are you adding fat and protein?
Water soluble nutrients aren't stored, so excess is unnecessary and what happens after the 3 weeks? How is a brief spurt of excess vitamins going to help you?
Do you have a source for your claim that you get more nutrients by juicing/blending than if you were to eat the same produce?
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »msalicia07 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »Op I found exercising helped with tiredness
With regards to the two shakes I will be polite and not comment
Good luck
They're not really "shakes", it's raw veggies and fruit I'm juicing or blending. I call it a shake though. It's just food I'm drinking to get more nutrients and servings than I could have ingested otherwise for a brief period of time. Nothing more healthy than that.
Are you adding fat and protein?
Water soluble nutrients aren't stored, so excess is unnecessary and what happens after the 3 weeks? How is a brief spurt of excess vitamins going to help you?
Do you have a source for your claim that you get more nutrients by juicing/blending than if you were to eat the same produce?
I am still eating a meal and having snacks, so get my macros in.
The US National Library of Medicine is a good source, but no one said drinking it is better than eating it, just detailing why the benefits are apparent compared to eating them. It's proven you can consume more nutrients because you can consume more servings when it has been blended or juiced. Also, that many nutrients are leached by preparation, and that is an issue when people consume their fruits and vegetables. I'm not saying there's magic in anything, no one is, and if someone would rather eat their veggies go ahead. If they don't need to reset their routine and habits, good on them. This really is about you guys reaching, trying to find issue, and debate, over something unnecessarily.
I've already explained why I'm choosing this for a few weeks, multiple times. It's a benefit to get more servings which means more nutrition, play with flavors (I love ginger, beets, apples, spinach, kale, mint, so many variations), not to mention blending contains more healthy phytonutrients and fiber, and varied types of fruits and veggies are more utilized. It's impressive how quickly this turns around my digestive issues, sleeping patterns, energy, skin problems, mental clarity, and a multitude of issues, in a short amount of time. All the nutrition and water is a huge asset in that, and also shaking the routine rut I've been in for a couple months. Really a great way to transition into your healthy lifestyle shortly thereafter.
Other than that, this is as much mental as physical for me, if not more. If it helps kick start someone into a healthier routine, then great. Sometime we give ourselves goals, like me and 21 days, to curb my bad patterns, and replace them with my normal/eat-in-moderation lifestyle when I'm done.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »what I want to know is what toxins are being cleansed and what bowel issues are being fixed from doing this?
My biggie was sugar. I had a wicked sweet tooth, once I started the twice daily shakes my carb and sugar cravings virtually disappeared. I have more energy, I sleep better, and my skin is clear.
if you are juicing you are still getting sugar. fruits and veggies have carbs(aka sugar).so how did those cravings go away? and how are you ridding your body of sugar/carbs? the only true way would be to not even include those and thats not healthy to do.
I don't juice. I have two GNC Total Lean shakes a day with 8oz of 1% milk. I have one healthy meal, usually for dinner. I have a piece of fruit in the afternoon as a snack. I meet all my macros and am right on with my calories most days.
You might want to reconsider what shake you use: https://labdoor.com/review/gnc-total-lean-lean-shake-25
GNC is horribly rated in terms of label accuracy and product purity. And even worse, it didn't even pass the heavy metals screening due to high levels of lead. If anything, I'd consider switching to what the OP is doing. At least then, you will know what is in your shake.9 -
OP, I'd just make sure you are getting adequate levels of protein and fats in your diet, as they are essential macronutrients and support things like metabolism (P), muscle retention (P + resistance training), good hair and nail health (F) and hormone regulation (P+F). Carbs, while highly nutritious, are non essential.
ETA: Protein levels during weight loss are recommend to be .6-1g per lb of lean body mass (maybe more if you are athletic or lean) and fats are recommend to be .35-.6g per lb of lean body mass.2 -
PS - For those trying to get rid of sugar from your system.. you can't. Our bodies run on sugar... it is glucose, which is a monosacchride. When you consume carbs or sugar, you body will start to break it down in the intestines down to the lowest chemical. As a results, your pancreas will release insulin to help open your cells to store the nutrients through a process called lipogenesis. As a results, your body will store those sugars as glycogen, fat (in a calorie excess) or oxidized for immediate use.
Even more, sugar is so important to your body, that even if you consumed 0g a day, your body can take other nutrients (fats and/or protein) and convert them to glucose through glucenoegenesis. So that point is, your body requires sugar.
Having said all that, if doing one of these diets helps you get back on track, even if it's just a placebo, by all means.7 -
msalicia07 wrote: »jpoehls9025 wrote: »I believe in reboots and not in the sense like a "computer" shutting off and turing on again however its more like a state of mind / body cleanse. Whenever I eat considerably under a standard caloric deficit and keep carbs low I always seem to enter that Keto "clean" state of mind where I get a lot more energy. Usually my skin clears up as well and I just generally have a better feeling of well being. I don't think this is sustainable, no, however times in my life during my service in the military and post military my body needed to just "unplug". Just like your diet I believe your nervous system can become "shot" form heavy deads, squats and sprints as well and could benefit greatly from de-loads or a built in rest week.
**My Bro Science opinion "some of it at least"
But at the end of the day anyone should be supported to do what they feel is right. Its not like going on a two shake a day thing is putting someone in physical jeopardy, and someone who would be put in harms way from something like this would probably already know their limitations.
msalicia07 good luck!
Thanks, and I'm saying it in the same way, reboot and reset is just a mental thing where I'm focusing on my priorities for the next 21 days, which will help immensely in getting me back into my normal healthy lifestyle I generally have. It is very much mental, but the physical perks of more energy and nutrition are always huge as well.
I did something similar. The military diet. I lost 3.5 then went back to MFP and kept going. Sometimes that does help mentally to get you to jumpstart so if the shakes do it then def try!!0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »what I want to know is what toxins are being cleansed and what bowel issues are being fixed from doing this?
My biggie was sugar. I had a wicked sweet tooth, once I started the twice daily shakes my carb and sugar cravings virtually disappeared. I have more energy, I sleep better, and my skin is clear.
if you are juicing you are still getting sugar. fruits and veggies have carbs(aka sugar).so how did those cravings go away? and how are you ridding your body of sugar/carbs? the only true way would be to not even include those and thats not healthy to do.
I don't juice. I have two GNC Total Lean shakes a day with 8oz of 1% milk. I have one healthy meal, usually for dinner. I have a piece of fruit in the afternoon as a snack. I meet all my macros and am right on with my calories most days.
it has sugars and artificial sweeteners in them too though.but hey whatever floats your boat lol
So on MFP we cant have artificial sweeteners or sugar?? Thats just dumb0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »what I want to know is what toxins are being cleansed and what bowel issues are being fixed from doing this?
My biggie was sugar. I had a wicked sweet tooth, once I started the twice daily shakes my carb and sugar cravings virtually disappeared. I have more energy, I sleep better, and my skin is clear.
if you are juicing you are still getting sugar. fruits and veggies have carbs(aka sugar).so how did those cravings go away? and how are you ridding your body of sugar/carbs? the only true way would be to not even include those and thats not healthy to do.
I don't juice. I have two GNC Total Lean shakes a day with 8oz of 1% milk. I have one healthy meal, usually for dinner. I have a piece of fruit in the afternoon as a snack. I meet all my macros and am right on with my calories most days.
it has sugars and artificial sweeteners in them too though.but hey whatever floats your boat lol
So on MFP we cant have artificial sweeteners or sugar?? Thats just dumb
That was in response to someone saying that the toxin they were ridding their body of was sugar. If they're drinking a shake that has sugar, that just doesn't make sense. It's not a statement that one shouldn't have sugar, it's pointing out the fault in the argument.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »what I want to know is what toxins are being cleansed and what bowel issues are being fixed from doing this?
My biggie was sugar. I had a wicked sweet tooth, once I started the twice daily shakes my carb and sugar cravings virtually disappeared. I have more energy, I sleep better, and my skin is clear.
if you are juicing you are still getting sugar. fruits and veggies have carbs(aka sugar).so how did those cravings go away? and how are you ridding your body of sugar/carbs? the only true way would be to not even include those and thats not healthy to do.
I don't juice. I have two GNC Total Lean shakes a day with 8oz of 1% milk. I have one healthy meal, usually for dinner. I have a piece of fruit in the afternoon as a snack. I meet all my macros and am right on with my calories most days.
it has sugars and artificial sweeteners in them too though.but hey whatever floats your boat lol
So on MFP we cant have artificial sweeteners or sugar?? Thats just dumb
That was in response to someone saying that the toxin they were ridding their body of was sugar. If they're drinking a shake that has sugar, that just doesn't make sense. It's not a statement that one shouldn't have sugar, it's pointing out the fault in the argument.
I know that, lol I was kind of being sarcastic but I didnt find anything wrong with the original posters post. Just my opinion...0 -
It sounds fine good luck the good thing is you're eating food with it as well.1
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msalicia07 wrote: »With traveling, holiday, family and friend functions, I need to reset. For the next 21 days I'm having 2 shakes a day, and a sensible meal. I feel like it will be just as much of a mental relief as a physical one.
Anyone interested in a 21 day reboot? I'm also using this weigh in template that someone else shared, if anyone would like to utilize it as well
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R05TgMg7Xcv5rf5dAzfuNeaEOEJYtzeq5gBH5dEjnXg/edit?usp=sharing
^not sure why it won't let me link it, but the spreadsheet is there nonetheless.
Looking forward to it!
I started reading some responses and decided just to reply to you. I will try it with you. Thanks for the inspiration, and support. Good luck. :flowerforyou:0 -
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JaydedMiss wrote: »if youve been here for years why do you still believe your body needs resetting like its a broken machine? Not only will 2 shakes a day suck (youll lose your motivation fast everyone starts out all excited for any new diet) but you wont learn ANYTHING about how to feed yourself long term, Youll likely cause more damage to your body thn good with lack of nutrients, And in 21 days youll just end up putting weight on from not learning anything about how to feed yourself.
why so defensive if you don't like being told your being needlessly silly dont post on here, No ones attacking you just telling you the truth. Many of the people responding have lost huge amounts of weight and gained a ton of fitness/health. We know our stuff. Learn how to eat. Eat at calorie level. Stop complicating it
Wrong, there are tons of shakes out there that have all the nutrients you need in a day, Ensure, Herbalife, GNC Total Lean...to name a few. In fact, a child of a family friend has many health issues and cannot eat regular food, and his doctor told him that Ensure is the way to go. Many individuals in treatment for anorexia will also drink a shake similar to Ensure because it has all the nutrients you need to survive. If a reset is what she thinks she needs, who are you to say otherwise?
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This!0 -
Detoxing feel GREAT! I went on an all natural diet of fruits veggies and very little cheese and dressing with nothing else for a week and it was amazing. I'm sure shakes or juicing is a similar idea. I also lost 5lbs in 4-6 days and no it did not come back.1
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Verity1111 wrote: »Detoxing feel GREAT! I went on an all natural diet of fruits veggies and very little cheese and dressing with nothing else for a week and it was amazing. I'm sure shakes or juicing is a similar idea. I also lost 5lbs in 4-6 days and no it did not come back.
Doing a juice/shake "cleanse" and eating an "all natural" diet to "detox" are similar ideas, but that doesn't mean there is any reasonable foundation to them.
If someone enjoys them or if it helps them get into a deficit, then okay. But they aren't required and they don't actually detoxify your body.5 -
msalicia07,
I fully support you in this journey and would love to try it someday. Good luck and I hope you get the results you are looking for!1 -
OP, I'd just make sure you are getting adequate levels of protein and fats in your diet, as they are essential macronutrients and support things like metabolism (P), muscle retention (P + resistance training), good hair and nail health (F) and hormone regulation (P+F). Carbs, while highly nutritious, are non essential.
ETA: Protein levels during weight loss are recommend to be .6-1g per lb of lean body mass (maybe more if you are athletic or lean) and fats are recommend to be .35-.6g per lb of lean body mass.
Yep, I'm closer to the .8 g protein, but at least it's covered. And getting those fats in as well, since the point is nourishing myself of what my body needs most for the next 3 weeks, not what it wants (seriously, chocolate eggs, they're like crack. Had to say, enough is enough!)
Thanks for cleaning up the thread. This stuff happens a lot, sometimes in the best interest of the poster, and in cases like this, just to be defiant. Rather difficult to have a voice or support with others needing the same encouragement when the bulldog mentality and shaming becomes the priority rather than open communication and dialogue.
And I'll be more apprehensive about defending myself, it's good to know I too can flag responses that are abusive even if the poster has 6,000 posts to date.1 -
markswife1992 wrote: »msalicia07 wrote: »With traveling, holiday, family and friend functions, I need to reset. For the next 21 days I'm having 2 shakes a day, and a sensible meal. I feel like it will be just as much of a mental relief as a physical one.
Anyone interested in a 21 day reboot? I'm also using this weigh in template that someone else shared, if anyone would like to utilize it as well
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R05TgMg7Xcv5rf5dAzfuNeaEOEJYtzeq5gBH5dEjnXg/edit?usp=sharing
^not sure why it won't let me link it, but the spreadsheet is there nonetheless.
Looking forward to it!
I started reading some responses and decided just to reply to you. I will try it with you. Thanks for the inspiration, and support. Good luck. :flowerforyou:
Thank you, today has been great so far! Just the fact I am focused, and mentally prepared myself for change. I've had to book a flight out of here in the next 3 hours, so even though the world keeps spinning, I can't tell you how much more in control I feel just have a plan in place. Especially with the traveling and inconsistent schedule, it's easy to fall into whatever is effortless and comforting.
I hope you keep in touch, I'd love to hear how it goes!0 -
Candibar520 wrote: »msalicia07,
I fully support you in this journey and would love to try it someday. Good luck and I hope you get the results you are looking for!
Thanks candi, appreciate the support! As I've mentioned, today has been great so far, it's the mental comfort that provides the most relief right now. In a couple weeks, with ridding the bloat, and getting better sleep, I'll feel revived. I couldn't have done this without getting to the completely fed up point though. And it's not that it's hard, it's just being in the mental place to commit. And, boy am I there
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Lesscookies wrote: »It sounds fine good luck the good thing is you're eating food with it as well.
Thank you! Yah, getting in food, and drinking my food, I feel like I'm just pumping myself with FOOD right now haha. But, no complaints, it's really delicious, and I actually prefer it to the heavy stuff. But, hey life happens 0 -
OP - you do you. What people were concerned about and responding to are a lot of times newcomers come to the forums to answer questions they have. Many don't post but read. It's a long time belief that you can detox and "reboot" your system. They just wanted to make sure that type of information wasn't being advocated or provided. I'm not saying you were, I'm just trying to put in to perspective of why this thread went how it did.
There are a lot of fantastic people who do respond to questions or voice concerns when something looks unhealthy/dangerous. As with ways of the internet, it's hard to interpret language/tone through text.
It would be terrible if someone who was just starting out losing weight was derailed by misinformation.
Maybe take this as a learned moment in future posts - be more clear and provide as much information as you can so people don't get the wrong idea. There's no need to be defensive, you just have to remember that, at the end of the day, the people responding are trying to provide the correct information vs. wrong that could influence a newcomer.
I'm not opposed to shakes for meals on occasion. I make the best protein shakes, IMO, but they usually have the same amount of calories a meal would have. Sometimes it's nice to drink your dinner. I totally get the mental break aspect of what you're trying to do. I think I'm due for a dieting break myself.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »what I want to know is what toxins are being cleansed and what bowel issues are being fixed from doing this?
My biggie was sugar. I had a wicked sweet tooth, once I started the twice daily shakes my carb and sugar cravings virtually disappeared. I have more energy, I sleep better, and my skin is clear.
if you are juicing you are still getting sugar. fruits and veggies have carbs(aka sugar).so how did those cravings go away? and how are you ridding your body of sugar/carbs? the only true way would be to not even include those and thats not healthy to do.
I don't juice. I have two GNC Total Lean shakes a day with 8oz of 1% milk. I have one healthy meal, usually for dinner. I have a piece of fruit in the afternoon as a snack. I meet all my macros and am right on with my calories most days.
it has sugars and artificial sweeteners in them too though.but hey whatever floats your boat lol
Yep the powder for the shake has 3 grams of sugar. I haven't completely cut out sugar and carbs, I just don't consume in excess like I did before. Not sure why you are trying to argue with me about it. I've been doing it for 4 weeks and my cravings have decreased, drastically. Might not have worked for you but it has worked for me. I know that I sleep better at night and have more energy during the day. And I know I have lost weight and feel awesome.
not arguing and I never tried it, so you cant say it didnt work for me. I sleep well enough,I lost weight and feel better and have clear skin.2 -
msalicia07 wrote: »CaptainHandsome wrote: »So if you're going to go back to your already normal sensible diet after your reboot, won't you just go back to the way you felt before the reboot also? A reboot isn't really a reboot if your habits don't change, and doing something for 21 days and then stopping isn't going to help form new habits either. It seems like you'd be better off doing something more long-term. Also, I'm not jumping down your throat, just a logical assessment from the perspective of a computer engineer who knows if I don't fix a problem before I reboot the computer, the problem is just going to come back after the reboot.
I have a long term normal eating lifestyle that got derailed this past couple months. And rebooting is an expression like resetting. Just going to focus on good nutrition for 21 days for the mental and physical benefits, then get back on my normal healthy balanced routine. Like when people get out of their workout routine, which happens. Sometimes a plan for the next couple weeks is exactly what they need to get back to a good routine again.
you guys are way over thinking this.
Oh - I see
So this IS actually a lifestyle change. Your normal eating lifetyle isn't sustainable as it makes you re-gain the weight. So your plan is to diet for 21 days (while using meal replacements) and then repeat that same cycle over and over again every time you need a "re-boot."
Because 21 days of meal replacements isn't you focusing on nutrition. Meal replacements help you avoid all the fuss of actually tackling portion control and learning about nutrition for regular food. These aren't quick fixes.3
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