Say goodbye to sugar
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christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
You can't have a good diet without sugar (which is in fruits and veg and dairy) and fat (there are essential fats and many high fat foods are extremely healthful). You can cut sugar way down, but often then you should increase fat.
Cutting down on sugar/fat combos that are extremely tasty (hello, chocolate chip cookies!, hello, ice cream!)? Sure, not a bad idea if you eat a lot of them, but most people have no reason to exclude them from their diets entirely, and many can fit them in regularly, in reasonable amounts.
Nutrition is more about what we do eat and how much than excluding things.5 -
christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
I don't have a gallbladder anymore so my body has a harder time processing fats, and even I wouldn't "say goodbye" to all dietary fats. That's just unhealthy nonsense. Your body needs a certain amount of fat daily to help with vitamin absorption, hormone balance, healthy skin and nails, etc. I'm very concerned if you're cutting out all fats @christinaki89. I hope that you'll come back and talk more about how you plan to balance health and your diet.8 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
Even the keto diet doesn't purport to be zero sugar though, does it? You still get a few grams here and there from fruits & veggies, right? That doesn't seem to be equivalent to what the OP is talking about. And it doesn't address the misinformation that sugar doesn't cause fat gains outside of a calorie surplus. I think you're trying to help, but since the OP is so focused on removing both sugar and fat, I'm not sure that white knighting her diet plan is the way to go.7 -
christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
You do realize that you NEED fats, right? And many foods (even raw foods) contain sugar? The "big reason" we gain weight is because we overeat.
Honestly, the few posts you've made (which have been all today I believe) have been full of wrong information and statements. Kind of wondering.....
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Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
wrong ...
they provide the same unit of energy that a carrot does...so not "empty"
So, eat 30 teaspoons of sugar every day for a month... then eat 30 baby carrots everyday for a month.. let me know how you feel at the end of each month.
How does that change the fact of what Ndj said? That they aren't so empty and technically provide the same unit of energy?3 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
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they provide the same unit of energy that a carrot does...so not "empty"
So, eat 30 teaspoons of sugar every day for a month... then eat 30 baby carrots everyday for a month.. let me know how you feel at the end of each month.
You, as so many often do, are mixing up calories as a unit of energy, and the nutrition that is provided in the foods that calories are contained within. No one is saying that eating straight sugar will provide the same nutritional benefits as eating baby carrots. First, no one is eating straight sugar and no one is advocating for that - so you've also created a strawman argument.
Secondly, and just to be clear, the energy provided in the calories from sugar and the calories from carrots IS THE SAME.
Lastly, those aren't equivalent amounts of sugar, so the comparison is invalid to begin with. 30 baby carrots has approximately 15 g of sugar in them. 30 teaspoons of sugar is over 100 grams. Not exactly a fair comparison, even if the rest of your argument had merit...18 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
OP wants to say goodbye to sugar. Sugar is sugar whether from blackberries or beets. Even if you don't eat any sugar, your body is going to make a form of sugar to survive, so you can't get away from it if you want to be alive.6 -
christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
Actually is sugar and carbs that convert to sugar. Limit those and I promise you will see results fast.2 -
So we're eating nothing but protein now? Um...no. I enjoy having hair and periods, and not having scurvy, and pooping on occasion.31
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christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
Actually is sugar and carbs that convert to sugar. Limit those and I promise you will see results fast.
Guess what? All carbs convert to sugar in the body.2 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
Even the keto diet doesn't purport to be zero sugar though, does it? You still get a few grams here and there from fruits & veggies, right? That doesn't seem to be equivalent to what the OP is talking about. And it doesn't address the misinformation that sugar doesn't cause fat gains outside of a calorie surplus. I think you're trying to help, but since the OP is so focused on removing both sugar and fat, I'm not sure that white knighting her diet plan is the way to go.
The keto diet encourages the extreme reduction in the amount of white sugar, and even fruit sugars that are consumed. I didn't encourage the reduction of sugars to zero, as it's next to impossible.1 -
christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
Actually is sugar and carbs that convert to sugar. Limit those and I promise you will see results fast.
The only fast results you'd probably see is due to reduced glycogen.4 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
OP wants to say goodbye to sugar. Sugar is sugar whether from blackberries or beets. Even if you don't eat any sugar, your body is going to make a form of sugar to survive, so you can't get away from it if you want to be alive.
I never advocated total elimination of any food. Ketogenesis occurs when your body begins to burn fat as fuel instead of carbs. So it IS possible to reduce sugar, but I never advocate to cut out anything entirely. That is the way to set oneself up to fail.1 -
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Are you talking about foods with a lot added sugar and a lot of unnecessary extra fat? Things like sugary desserts and fried foods? (As opposed to foods with sugar and fat in them, like fruits, vegetables, meats, and olive oil.)christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life1 -
christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
Actually is sugar and carbs that convert to sugar. Limit those and I promise you will see results fast.
Reduce carbs, keep everything else the same: if you were at maintenance, you will lose.
Reduce fat, keep everything else the same: if you were at maintenance, you will lose.
Reduce a combination of fat and carbs, keep everything else the same: if you were at maintenance, you will lose.
Any of these, depending on personal preference works fine. No reason to pick one over the other other than personal diet (what is in excess the most) and personal preference (what would you miss most/find hardest to do)?
You can also lower protein, but for most people it's probably not as good an idea.2 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
Even the keto diet doesn't purport to be zero sugar though, does it? You still get a few grams here and there from fruits & veggies, right? That doesn't seem to be equivalent to what the OP is talking about. And it doesn't address the misinformation that sugar doesn't cause fat gains outside of a calorie surplus. I think you're trying to help, but since the OP is so focused on removing both sugar and fat, I'm not sure that white knighting her diet plan is the way to go.
The keto diet encourages the extreme reduction in the amount of white sugar, and even fruit sugars that are consumed. I didn't encourage the reduction of sugars to zero, as it's next to impossible.
The keto diet also encourages (requires, really) a dramatic increase in fat, so I'm not sure what this has to do with OP's suggestion. Clearly, if you are keto, you aren't doing what she suggested.7 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
wrong ...
they provide the same unit of energy that a carrot does...so not "empty"
So, eat 30 teaspoons of sugar every day for a month... then eat 30 baby carrots everyday for a month.. let me know how you feel at the end of each month.
assuming I meet my micro, macro, and calorie targets, I will be fine.
and "feels" does not change the universal fact that one derives the same unit of energy from one calorie of carrot as one calorie of sugar...
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I love my sugars (natural and processed) and my fats... and I love my 6 pack too.
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FindingAwesome wrote: »I love my sugars (natural and processed) and my fats... and I love my 6 pack too.
Don't worry, OP doesn't seem to have a problem with beer.
(Yes, I'll be here all night, please tip your waitresses.) ;-)5 -
christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
No thank you. I prefer to eat a balanced diet.2 -
Next you're going to tell me to abolish booze. Nah. I like moderation, regular exercise, with the occasional indulge.2
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
Even the keto diet doesn't purport to be zero sugar though, does it? You still get a few grams here and there from fruits & veggies, right? That doesn't seem to be equivalent to what the OP is talking about. And it doesn't address the misinformation that sugar doesn't cause fat gains outside of a calorie surplus. I think you're trying to help, but since the OP is so focused on removing both sugar and fat, I'm not sure that white knighting her diet plan is the way to go.
The keto diet encourages the extreme reduction in the amount of white sugar, and even fruit sugars that are consumed. I didn't encourage the reduction of sugars to zero, as it's next to impossible.
The keto diet also encourages (requires, really) a dramatic increase in fat, so I'm not sure what this has to do with OP's suggestion. Clearly, if you are keto, you aren't doing what she suggested.
As I said initially "Healthy fats are fine".. those are the fats that I have increased. Olive oil, butters, creams, avocados, peanut butter etc.. I was simply attempting to inform the OP that fats are not the "enemy". But again, everything in moderation. Obviously on a keto diet the Macros are skewed toward fats, and having lost 15 lbs in a little under 2 months while beginning antidepressants and birth control and not changing my lifestyle aside from dietary changes, it seems to be working for me.1 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
Even the keto diet doesn't purport to be zero sugar though, does it? You still get a few grams here and there from fruits & veggies, right? That doesn't seem to be equivalent to what the OP is talking about. And it doesn't address the misinformation that sugar doesn't cause fat gains outside of a calorie surplus. I think you're trying to help, but since the OP is so focused on removing both sugar and fat, I'm not sure that white knighting her diet plan is the way to go.
The keto diet encourages the extreme reduction in the amount of white sugar, and even fruit sugars that are consumed. I didn't encourage the reduction of sugars to zero, as it's next to impossible.
The keto diet also encourages (requires, really) a dramatic increase in fat, so I'm not sure what this has to do with OP's suggestion. Clearly, if you are keto, you aren't doing what she suggested.
As I said initially "Healthy fats are fine".. those are the fats that I have increased. Olive oil, butters, creams, avocados, peanut butter etc.. I was simply attempting to inform the OP that fats are not the "enemy". But again, everything in moderation. Obviously on a keto diet the Macros are skewed toward fats, and having lost 15 lbs in a little under 2 months while beginning antidepressants and birth control and not changing my lifestyle aside from dietary changes, it seems to be working for me.
I'm not slamming keto or eating fat (check my diary). I'm saying that clearly what you are talking about is not what OP is recommending and what people are reacting to.3 -
Hthrbee1978 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »Hthrbee1978 wrote: »DaintyWhisper wrote: »But I like sugar and fats.. : (
Healthy fats are fine, but most sugars are superfluous.
"Because sugar is such a major source of empty calories, however, the American Heart Association recommends certain daily limits. If you’re male, you should have no more than 150 calories from sugar daily; this equates to 9 teaspoons or about 38 grams. As a woman, you shouldn’t have more than 100 calories, which is 6 teaspoons or 25 grams of sugar each day. These limitations only apply to added sugar, though, not to naturally occurring sugars."
Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/458616-how-much-sugar-is-your-body-supposed-to-take-in-a-day/
So certain sugars are special? I'm sorry, but to me, cutting out sugar means cutting out ALL sugar, no exceptions. OP made no restrictions on what sorts of sugar or fat.
The website I pulled from indicated fruit sugars are okay, and I agree to a point, but also fit them into my Keto diet, having a few berries here and there while staying under 20 grams of carbs per day.
Even the keto diet doesn't purport to be zero sugar though, does it? You still get a few grams here and there from fruits & veggies, right? That doesn't seem to be equivalent to what the OP is talking about. And it doesn't address the misinformation that sugar doesn't cause fat gains outside of a calorie surplus. I think you're trying to help, but since the OP is so focused on removing both sugar and fat, I'm not sure that white knighting her diet plan is the way to go.
The keto diet encourages the extreme reduction in the amount of white sugar, and even fruit sugars that are consumed. I didn't encourage the reduction of sugars to zero, as it's next to impossible.
The keto diet also encourages (requires, really) a dramatic increase in fat, so I'm not sure what this has to do with OP's suggestion. Clearly, if you are keto, you aren't doing what she suggested.
As I said initially "Healthy fats are fine".. those are the fats that I have increased. Olive oil, butters, creams, avocados, peanut butter etc.. I was simply attempting to inform the OP that fats are not the "enemy". But again, everything in moderation. Obviously on a keto diet the Macros are skewed toward fats, and having lost 15 lbs in a little under 2 months while beginning antidepressants and birth control and not changing my lifestyle aside from dietary changes, it seems to be working for me.
Neither is sugar7 -
I hit my final weight loss target yesterday and switched to maintenance without changing my exercise habits. That got me a bowl of ice cream last night to ensure I ate back at least half my exercise calories. Fat and sugar are yummy!
Still didn't quite eat enough by the counts, but I was feeling kinda full by then.10 -
OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.1
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OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.
But she wants to get rid of the fat in her diet too.13 -
OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.
False. The boards are hostile to pseudoscience and people claiming that sugar is the only reason for weight gain, poor health, etc.13
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