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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.
That quote is about the differences in where fat is stored on the body. That is clearly related to hormones. But you seem to be arguing that a menopausal body can store energy even when in a deficit. What is the source for that?
That quote is one part of a whole statement. No, what I said is that menopause and the loss of hormones slows the whole process down. Never said it couldn't be done (congrats to the lady above who lost 90#). In fact, I said, and I quote "Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts." I have a bad habit of going to reputable medical sites and peer reviewed journal articles, but I am not a physician so what do I know.
Decreased estrogen is a given. But slower metabolism and loss of bone density are not. They can be combatted with proper diet and exercise. This is why resistance training is more important than ever during and after menopause.
Oh, it's a given, but you are correct, we can do things to combat them. Weight lifting is the one I feel is most important, because of the resulting increase in bone density. That being said, I ALWAYS say that it doesn't matter what workout a person chooses to do, as long as it is one they enjoy and will stick to.
I found a great link from the Women's Health Research Institute @ Northwestern University that shows what menopause does to the body (well...great being relative, because allthethings actually suck...)
http://menopause.northwestern.edu/content/how-hormone-depletion-affects-you3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
I love this. I do think there are alternatives to calorie counting that work, but they aren't intuitive eating and require some kind of monitoring.
Sure, some people don't have to think about it, perhaps, but they didn't get fat.
Why would intuitive eating mean not thinking about it?? It's quite the opposite really.
Many people who claim we should be able to "intuitively eat" mean we should be able to just eat and not have to every think about it and we just won't want to eat too much. That's what I think is unrealistic.
I can maintain or lose without counting, but I do other things, like watch portion sizes, avoid snacking (or actively pay attention and compensate), make sure I am reasonably active. But that's something more than just going by "instinct." It's mindful.6 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.
That quote is about the differences in where fat is stored on the body. That is clearly related to hormones. But you seem to be arguing that a menopausal body can store energy even when in a deficit. What is the source for that?
That quote is one part of a whole statement. No, what I said is that menopause and the loss of hormones slows the whole process down. Never said it couldn't be done (congrats to the lady above who lost 90#). In fact, I said, and I quote "Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts." I have a bad habit of going to reputable medical sites and peer reviewed journal articles, but I am not a physician so what do I know.
From clinical evidence hormones, thyroid in particular, have ~5% impact on metabolism, so as far as BMR/REE that does not amount to much in the short term, but can explain weight gain over a longer period of time.
What hormonal imbalance does mess with is hunger signaling and satiety, emotional control, and water weight. This doesn't make it any harder physiologically to burn fat, but it sure does mentally. Knowing what this does and does not impact helps you develop a plan to hit your goals.
@GottaBurnEmAll has one of the most inspirational backgrounds on here. I'm using her model when I go through the change and dealing with manopause. Still don't know what these...feelingz...are people keep talking about. For years I thought this was a Journey cover band.11 -
Some people have hormonal issues that make weight loss EXTREMELY difficult. So how is this "cheating" for them? People who need WLS are in the <30 on the BMI scale. That's obese. And while yes it can be done naturally, many people need WLS just to get their health in a lower risk factor area.myheartsabattleground wrote: »I believe WLS is cheating.
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You must lift heavy. The rest of us who strength train in a different way are just spinning our wheels. Ah MFP, the church or Stronglifts.
I don't understand Halo top. Which means all the more for everyone else to have. That and it's not available here.
And you're damn right a large reason I cardio is to eat more. I've even started a bit of hiking as my calories are getting to a sad point as I creep towards goal.
The level of confirmation bias in "my meds are making/keeping me fat" threads.25 -
@GottaBurnEmAll has one of the most inspirational backgrounds on here. I'm using her model when I go through the change and dealing with manopause. Still don't know what these...feelingz...are people keep talking about. For years I thought this was a Journey cover band.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I am stealing that line 100%.2 -
Well because it has no scientific proof that it is. It's an opinion of yours and that's not proof.I believe fast food is toxic and should only be eaten if last/only food on the planet. Very unpopular view here on MFP.
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The level of confirmation bias in "my meds are making/keeping me fat" ALL threads.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
I love this. I do think there are alternatives to calorie counting that work, but they aren't intuitive eating and require some kind of monitoring.
Sure, some people don't have to think about it, perhaps, but they didn't get fat.
Why would intuitive eating mean not thinking about it?? It's quite the opposite really.
Many people who claim we should be able to "intuitively eat" mean we should be able to just eat and not have to every think about it and we just won't want to eat too much. That's what I think is unrealistic.
I can maintain or lose without counting, but I do other things, like watch portion sizes, avoid snacking (or actively pay attention and compensate), make sure I am reasonably active. But that's something more than just going by "instinct." It's mindful.
I guess it's just semantics but I think mindful eating and intuitive eating are the same thing. Intuition is something that must be mindfully adhered to. It's usually by ignoring our intuition that we run into problems.5 -
Recomp. It's actually doable, just need a lot of patience.What would cause you to lose fat and not weight?
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So many excuses out there for what amounts to laziness and gluttony. That's what bugs me. There are a ton of people who just don't want to do what needs to be done because the status quo is easier and feels comfortable.30
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
I love this. I do think there are alternatives to calorie counting that work, but they aren't intuitive eating and require some kind of monitoring.
Sure, some people don't have to think about it, perhaps, but they didn't get fat.
Why would intuitive eating mean not thinking about it?? It's quite the opposite really.
Intuitively, adverb: without conscious reasoning; instinctively.
What else would it mean?17 -
That cardio isn't for "fat burning". So many roll their eyes at me, but hey it's true.
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WayTooHonest wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.
That quote is about the differences in where fat is stored on the body. That is clearly related to hormones. But you seem to be arguing that a menopausal body can store energy even when in a deficit. What is the source for that?
That quote is one part of a whole statement. No, what I said is that menopause and the loss of hormones slows the whole process down. Never said it couldn't be done (congrats to the lady above who lost 90#). In fact, I said, and I quote "Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts." I have a bad habit of going to reputable medical sites and peer reviewed journal articles, but I am not a physician so what do I know.
Decreased estrogen is a given. But slower metabolism and loss of bone density are not. They can be combatted with proper diet and exercise. This is why resistance training is more important than ever during and after menopause.
Oh, it's a given, but you are correct, we can do things to combat them. Weight lifting is the one I feel is most important, because of the resulting increase in bone density. That being said, I ALWAYS say that it doesn't matter what workout a person chooses to do, as long as it is one they enjoy and will stick to.
I found a great link from the Women's Health Research Institute @ Northwestern University that shows what menopause does to the body (well...great being relative, because allthethings actually suck...)
http://menopause.northwestern.edu/content/how-hormone-depletion-affects-you
Bone loss is not a given. At least not according to my DEXA. And the type of workout does matter for this particular subject. Enjoy it or not, if you want to keep bone density you need resistance.6 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
I love this. I do think there are alternatives to calorie counting that work, but they aren't intuitive eating and require some kind of monitoring.
Sure, some people don't have to think about it, perhaps, but they didn't get fat.
Why would intuitive eating mean not thinking about it?? It's quite the opposite really.
Intuitively, adverb: without conscious reasoning; instinctively.
What else would it mean?
subconscious thought?2 -
My opinions (potentially unpopular depending on the thread)
1. Counting calories in maintenance is neither obsessive nor a consequence of failing to learn my body's hunger signals
2. You don't have to start your weight loss efforts eating the way you plan to eat for life. I started off eating primarily packaged food because of automatic portion control and easy calorie estimation. My food choices gradually shifted to include more nutrient-dense fresh and homemade items as I got more confident in my ability to manage my portions when there was more than one serving available.
3. There's no such thing as cheating at weight loss, it's not a game where someone else gains weight if you lose it. Some methods are more sustainable than others, some depend on outside support (WLS, diet pills, liposuction, etc.) that may cause a person to fall back into bad habits as soon as the support is withdrawn, and some are downright dangerous (VCLDs and street drugs come to mind).38 -
Pie is the perfect food.
There. I said it.53 -
- Personally, I exercise for the calories, not for fitness. While I'm at it
Doing cardio does help me lose weight, i would rather exercise more, than eat less.
The things that bug me:
- No one will ever convince me that drinking diet soda aka aspartame regularly will not eventually have detrimental effects.
- People who claim eating foods out of a packet/microwavable meals or out of a tin is just as healthy as eating fresh foods.
- I unequivocally do not support the HAES movement.
- Weight loss surgery.. It is easier for them to get their stomach stapled then to take responsibility and go through the hard yards of eating appropriate calories. Yes, WLS is hard, but counting calories and learning to say no seems to be harder for the people who take this route.
- The people who brag that "I lost all of my weight eating junk food everyday". This is not something to be proud of.
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GiddyupTim wrote: »Pie is the perfect food.
There. I said it.
This isn't unpopular...this is just fundamental fact. To dispute this...another level of Hell would have to be constructed for such heresy.26 -
Don't hate me but the whole "you can be obese and healthy" mindset is absurd to me. Define healthy. You mean to tell me your joints don't ever hurt? You aren't at risk for more diseases than if you were of a normal weight? Be honest with yourself! Let's stop sugar coating (no pun intended) this by calling it "body positivity."
NO.. my joints don't hurt (well, unless I do some crazy amount of an activity like a full day hike on tough terrain and to be fair, the joints hurt then as well when I was in a healthy BMI range too)
My V02 max is in a healthy range, my BP is in a healthy range, my cholesterol is in a healthy range, my glucose is in a healthy range. I can swim a mile in 45mins. I can hike all day without issue. I can bench 150lbs, squat 225lbs and deadlift 340lbs. At 44, I take no medications. I have no daily aches or pains. For the last 10 years, I've seen a dr only once per year for my annual checkup. Heck.. even my waist to hip ratio fails just under line.
I wonder when the idea of "greater" risk becomes meaningless. When I look around at my healthy weight peers and see so many on blood thinners, BP meds, insulin, etc it just makes me wonder if these higher risk factors really have anything to do with the number on my scale or are more just a factor of unhealthy lifestyles.
So yeah, my unpopular opinion is YES you can be healthy and overweight (even obese to an extent), provided you maintain an active lifestyle with mindful approach to cardio fitness, strength and flexibility and eat enough of the right foods to give the body the right nutrients it needs.30
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