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They Aren't Curves, They're Fat Rolls
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An obese person isn't "curvy". It's fat rolls. Tired of the political correctness and marketing ploys.
I'm still over-weight but used to be 30lbs heavier. I was FAT. Period! I'm still over-weight but getting there slowly but surely.
Let's stop lying and enabling and start being honest and do what we have to do. Let's call a duck a duck and stop dodging and ignoring the obesity problem we have here. A least in the US. Start helping out, which includes HONESTY.
Oh get over yourself! I don't give a flying *kitten* what you call it, or what anyone calls it, and these posts are just an excuse to be a jerk about it. People can call thier body parts Excalibur for all you should care. If you don't like it, don't call it that. End of story.34 -
I'm in love8 -
Do you see what is photo-shopped away in her modeling shots? The lumpy, bumpy fat on her outer and inner thighs, which none of you ladies present. We can't even see the back of her legs where each of you are presenting so it's a specious comparison. Not to mention that I hope none of you ladies think you are anywhere near her size. She is obviously larger and carrying more fat than all of you.
Perhaps fit is not the correct word but I'm not sure how else to describe the size spectrum other than from fat at one end to fit at the other. Would you prefer skinny to fit as the other end of the spectrum? If so, I'd then say that those are not the legs of a skinny person any more than they are the legs of a fit person.
usmcmp, calling fat people fat very seldomly helps them to be less fat. Calling them not fat when they are fat also seldomly helps them to be less fat. I figure it's just best not to muse aloud about anyone's size. Fat or not, it's not really any of my business--I've got my own struggles.15 -
Oh get over yourself! I don't give a flying *kitten* what you call it, or what anyone calls it, and these posts are just an excuse to be a jerk about it. People can call thier body parts Excalibur for all you should care. If you don't like it, don't call it that. End of story.
For someone who doesn't care what I call it you sure are angry. Maybe you are the one that should be getting over themselves. All I'm saying is that I'm not changing the definition of a curvy woman so over-weight women (or men) can feel better about themselves. Pick a different word. But it's definitely not CURVY.
There's a difference between being curvy and being fat. I'm not yielding.6 -
lmao off being fit equals no cellulite. I have cellulite until the cows come home but you bet I'm fit.25
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I don't get it. There are a lot of people in denial about a lot of things. Most of them don't affect me, and there are more important things to care about.19
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For someone who doesn't care what I call it you sure are angry. Maybe you are the one that should be getting over themselves. All I'm saying is that I'm not changing the definition of a curvy woman so over-weight women (or men) can feel better about themselves. Pick a different word. But it's definitely not CURVY.
There's a difference between being curvy and being fat. I'm not yielding.
Maybe someone uses curvy because it keeps them from slipping into depression and getting even fatter. Maybe they use curvy because they don't actually have rolls and are just thick all over (like the girl in the pictures I was posting), so they feel that actually fits them.
Feel free to roll your eyes when someone says curvy, but the truth is that if they are in denial or trying to justify their weight it doesn't have anything to do with you. I suspect in a few years when weight loss isn't a fresh experience for you your opinion on this will soften a bit.17 -
Because overweight people are looking to you to feel better about themselves?? I assure you, nobody gives a damn what words you want to use to describe their body.10
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »She's very pretty but those are not the legs of a fit person.
OP: fat people cannot have any shape other than fat rolls. Never. Curves.
First response: oh really? Here's a fat woman with curves.
You: but she's not fit.
I mean, no. No one said she was. Would you truly say that beautiful woman has no curves and only fat rolls? That's just baffling to me. Fat women, like all women, come in a variety of shapes and styles. Some have rolls, some are straight, some are curvy, some are a combination of curves and rolls. The idea that fat women present only one body type is wrong.28 -
Some people get skinny and look great, but they will still be shallow and ugly inside. Maybe folks should work on inner beauty as well as the outside.33
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Oh my. What happened here?
All of those women are beautiful - why do we even have these discussions? *sigh*
(who remembers pine cone bird feeder?...you'll either know right away what I mean, or you won't - but that's what I thought of.)6 -
lmao off being fit equals no cellulite. I have cellulite until the cows come home but you bet I'm fit.
Again, do you somehow believe that you look like the model we are discussing? I creeped your photos and, IMHO, you do not. Your BF% is obviously much lower than hers. As I said earlier, she's very pretty but that doesn't mean she's not carrying a fair bit of extra fat.
I guess I could have been more clear: it's not a matter of cellulite or not so that when you are fit you have none at all. Rather, it's a scale between more and less cellulite relative to your overall BF%. Her legs look like that cuz she's got a high BF%. The rest of you ladies might have cellulite--I acknowledged it's distressingly stubborn--but not like she does because you all have lower BF% than her and are almost certainly fitter than her if not just skinnier.
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Maybe someone uses curvy because it keeps them from slipping into depression and getting even fatter. Maybe they use curvy because they don't actually have rolls and are just thick all over (like the girl in the pictures I was posting), so they feel that actually fits them.
Feel free to roll your eyes when someone says curvy, but the truth is that if they are in denial or trying to justify their weight it doesn't have anything to do with you. I suspect in a few years when weight loss isn't a fresh experience for you your opinion on this will soften a bit.
Maybe someone uses curvy because it keeps them from slipping into depression and getting even fatter. Maybe they use curvy because they don't actually have rolls and are just thick all over (like the girl in the pictures I was posting), so they feel that actually fits them.
Feel free to roll your eyes when someone says curvy, but the truth is that if they are in denial or trying to justify their weight it doesn't have anything to do with you. I suspect in a few years when weight loss isn't a fresh experience for you your opinion on this will soften a bit.
No offense, but it's just that sort of justifying and deflecting that is making matters worse. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, between 1980 and 2002, the number of overweight adolescents tripled and the number of overweight preteens more than doubled. Long-term increased risks associated with childhood obesity include high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and several types of cancer.
Childhood obesity is related to a number of factors, including a sedentary lifestyle, advertising campaigns directed at young people, and the availability and affordability of unhealthy foods. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control says: “Childhood obesity is the result of eating too many calories and not getting enough physical activity.”
Children, adolescents, and adults would do well to take a close look at their lifestyle and instead of going out of their way to shut down others for promoting healthy lifestyles and bodies, focus on getting their own health squared away. Maybe they don't care enough about themselves, but at least care enough about the message they're sending, and for those who care about them.
Toss onto that the epidemic of advertisers distorting what it means to be curvy, promoting the ill-conconceived notion it's okay to be obese as long as you're happy with yourself, we're sending the complete wrong message to young people (to everyone for that matter), compounding the problem.
A Dodgers minor league team recently canceled and actually apologized for scheduling an "Hourglass Appreciation Night."
Why? Well, because it offended people's sensibilities. But let's call fat curvy and continue promoting the idea that the unhealthiness of obesity is just wonderful. Wow, seriously!
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »
Again, do you somehow believe that you look like the model we are discussing? I creeped your photos and, IMHO, you do not. Your BF% is obviously much lower than hers. As I said earlier, she's very pretty but that doesn't mean she's not carrying a fair bit of extra fat.
I guess I could have been more clear: it's not a matter of cellulite or not so that when you are fit you have none at all. Rather, it's a scale between more and less cellulite relative to your overall BF%. Her legs look like that cuz she's got a high BF%. The rest of you ladies might have cellulite--I acknowledged it's distressingly stubborn--but not like she does because you all have lower BF% than her and are almost certainly fitter than her if not just skinnier.
If you want me to DM you a picture I can. It's terrible. You have no clue.0 -
born_of_fire74 wrote: »
Again, do you somehow believe that you look like the model we are discussing? I creeped your photos and, IMHO, you do not. Your BF% is obviously much lower than hers. As I said earlier, she's very pretty but that doesn't mean she's not carrying a fair bit of extra fat.
I guess I could have been more clear: it's not a matter of cellulite or not so that when you are fit you have none at all. Rather, it's a scale between more and less cellulite relative to your overall BF%. Her legs look like that cuz she's got a high BF%. The rest of you ladies might have cellulite--I acknowledged it's distressingly stubborn--but not like she does because you all have lower BF% than her and are almost certainly fitter than her if not just skinnier.
The whole point of me sharing her picture is that a fat woman can be curvy and not have rolls. Yes, she is overweight. That was the point.11 -
stephanieluvspb wrote: »Because overweight people are looking to you to feel better about themselves?? I assure you, nobody gives a damn what words you want to use to describe their body.
That's also part of the problem. If we need others to feel good about ourselves or to be motivated to take care of ourselves, we already lost the battle.4 -
For someone who doesn't care what I call it you sure are angry. Maybe you are the one that should be getting over themselves. All I'm saying is that I'm not changing the definition of a curvy woman so over-weight women (or men) can feel better about themselves. Pick a different word. But it's definitely not CURVY.
There's a difference between being curvy and being fat. I'm not yielding.
I'm not angry about what you call it. I'm angry that you think you're so high and mighty that it is any of your *kitten* business how other people refer to their own bodies. Why do you give a *kitten*? It literally has zero impact on your life. And why in the hell do you think it's so important to come on a site like this and proclaim your opinion in a way that you you know damn good and well is going to hurt peoples feeling? And don't even try and pretend that you are educating or some *kitten*, that's *kitten* and you know it. Use whatever the *kitten* words you want, but deal with your disappointment that the world does not revolve around your opinions.17 -
diannethegeek wrote: »
OP: fat people cannot have any shape other than fat rolls. Never. Curves.
First response: oh really? Here's a fat woman with curves.
You: but she's not fit.
I mean, no. No one said she was. Would you truly say that beautiful woman has no curves and only fat rolls? That's just baffling to me. Fat women, like all women, come in a variety of shapes and styles. Some have rolls, some are straight, some are curvy, some are a combination of curves and rolls. The idea that fat women present only one body type is wrong.
It seems like we are talking past one another. I already said I'm not sure how to define the spectrum between fat and ??? Not fat? Skinny? Fit? Whatever word you want to use, she exists towards the fat end of the spectrum as opposed to the not fat/skinny/fit end of the spectrum.
My comment was intended to communicate that she is pretty but also not skinny/fit/not fat. That is all. It is possible to be both. Which I'm pretty sure means I'm agreeing with most of the people up in arms with me for pointing out that she's on the heavy side because I also said she is very pretty. Feeling like nothing I say will be acceptable despite the fact I was being supportive of larger, pretty ladies.
EDIT: Lean! That's the word I should have used. She's very pretty but those are not the legs of a lean person.4 -
No offense, but it's just that sort of justifying and deflecting that is making matters worse. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, between 1980 and 2002, the number of overweight adolescents tripled and the number of overweight preteens more than doubled. Long-term increased risks associated with childhood obesity include high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and several types of cancer.
Childhood obesity is related to a number of factors, including a sedentary lifestyle, advertising campaigns directed at young people, and the availability and affordability of unhealthy foods. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control says: “Childhood obesity is the result of eating too many calories and not getting enough physical activity.”
Children, adolescents, and adults would do well to take a close look at their lifestyle and instead of going out of their way to shut down others for promoting healthy lifestyles and bodies, focus on getting their own health squared away. Maybe they don't care enough about themselves, but at least care enough about the message they're sending, and for those who care about them.
Toss onto that the epidemic of advertisers distorting what it means to be curvy, promoting the ill-conconceived notion it's okay to be obese as long as you're happy with yourself, we're sending the complete wrong message to young people (to everyone for that matter), compounding the problem.
A Dodgers minor league team recently canceled and actually apologized for scheduling an "Hourglass Appreciation Night."
Why? Well, because it offended people's sensibilities. But let's call fat curvy and continue promoting the idea that the unhealthiness of obesity is just wonderful. Wow, seriously!
If we're going to attack advertising let's go to the real sources of the struggle people have when it comes to starting weight loss and to sustaining weight loss: the weight loss industry.
Let's educate people. Let's tell them that they don't have to starve, cleanse, eat special foods, take magical pills, do certain exercises, or any combination of those to lose weight. Stick it to the weight loss industry and shame them for making it seem like weight loss requires a decoder ring of which fads and pills will make people skinny. Why should I even try because every magazine has tips, tricks, and ads that make it seem impossible. That's a far bigger issue than the word curvy.17 -
I'm not angry about what you call it. I'm angry that you think you're so high and mighty that it is any of your *kitten* business how other people refer to their own bodies. Why do you give a *kitten*? It literally has zero impact on your life. And why in the hell do you think it's so important to come on a site like this and proclaim your opinion in a way that you you know damn good and well is going to hurt peoples feeling? And don't even try and pretend that you are educating or some *kitten*, that's *kitten* and you know it. Use whatever the *kitten* words you want, but deal with your disappointment that the world does not revolve around your opinions.
Sorry my point went over your head.3 -
To me, curvy is a shape. You can be thin, fit, or fat and curvy. But someone who is fat and doesn't have that shape...is not curvy. Sorry. I don't usually go talking about my opinion on it. No one cares. I don't mean for it to be hurtful, just how I see it.14
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If we're going to attack advertising let's go to the real sources of the struggle people have when it comes to starting weight loss and to sustaining weight loss: the weight loss industry.
Let's educate people. Let's tell them that they don't have to starve, cleanse, eat special foods, take magical pills, do certain exercises, or any combination of those to lose weight. Stick it to the weight loss industry and shame them for making it seem like weight loss requires a decoder ring of which fads and pills will make people skinny. Why should I even try because every magazine has tips, tricks, and ads that make it seem impossible. That's a far bigger issue than the word curvy.
I can't believe it happened, but I had to Thumbs Up that one. I couldn't agree more. You highlighted another pet peeve of mine. :-)3 -
I can't believe it happened, but I had to Thumbs Up that one. I couldn't agree more. You highlighted another pet peeve of mine. :-)
I made the same post earlier, but less words. I honestly think that we could ban companies from saying anything other than fat and it would do absolutely nothing. We have to remove the "barriers of entry" that people see when it comes to weight loss and that comes down to education as well as holding the weight loss industry more accountable for the claims.
ETA: Most of the weight loss industry makes me angry.4 -
A Dodgers minor league team recently canceled and actually apologized for scheduling an "Hourglass Appreciation Night."
Why? Well, because it offended people's sensibilities. But let's call fat curvy and continue promoting the idea that the unhealthiness of obesity is just wonderful. Wow, seriously!
Well, that would kind of offend me too since I'm a (healthy weight) apple shaped woman without a curve from my ribcage to my knees...4 -
I made the same post earlier, but less words. I honestly think that we could ban companies from saying anything other than fat and it would do absolutely nothing. We have to remove the "barriers of entry" that people see when it comes to weight loss and that comes down to education as well as holding the weight loss industry more accountable for the claims.
ETA: Most of the weight loss industry makes me angry.
And "Diet" and Magic Pills. Gotta love it. I didn't start losing weight until I realized it boils down to making a lifestyle change. I've been able to go from Pretty Fat to now just kinda fat. I'm ashamed at what I did to myself and stopped making excuses. That was the barrier I had to break to finally start getting somewhere.
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »
Sure you can. The bumpy, lumpy skin on her thighs looks that way due to cellulite. Cellulite is fat. Stubborn fat that is distressingly easy to accumulate and distressingly difficult to shed but it's fat. My legs looked just like that when I was heavier (30%BF) and don't now that I'm fit (23%BF). You'll be hard pressed to find cellulite deposits on fit people.
I'm a fit, 5'4, 110 lb fitness instructor. My bf is around 17%. I have some cellulite. Many fit people have cellulite. My take is that genetics play a factor.7 -
To me, curvy is a shape. You can be thin, fit, or fat and curvy. But someone who is fat and doesn't have that shape...is not curvy. Sorry. I don't usually go talking about my opinion on it. No one cares. I don't mean for it to be hurtful, just how I see it.
Agree 100%! I have an hourglass figure: my waist is smaller than my hips and my shoulders. I am curvy: when I was younger and much thinner, I still had well-defined waist, boobs, and booty. I am also fat: not something I'm proud of but am here to work on that.
Just because I'm fat doesn't mean I'm not curvy. Curvy is definitely a shape that can be applied to thin/fit/fat. Sometimes fat is just fat.8 -
born_of_fire74 wrote: »
It seems like we are talking past one another. I already said I'm not sure how to define the spectrum between fat and ??? Not fat? Skinny? Fit? Whatever word you want to use, she exists towards the fat end of the spectrum as opposed to the not fat/skinny/fit end of the spectrum.
My comment was intended to communicate that she is pretty but also not skinny/fit/not fat. That is all. It is possible to be both. Which I'm pretty sure means I'm agreeing with most of the people up in arms with me for pointing out that she's on the heavy side because I also said she is very pretty. Feeling like nothing I say will be acceptable despite the fact I was being supportive of larger, pretty ladies.
Ashley's picture was posted to show that someone who is "fat" can in fact be curvy and not have fat rolls. It was to disagree with the OP saying fat women aren't curvy, they have fat rolls. No one said she wasn't fat. No one said she was fit. The confusion is happening because you are arguing against something that no one said. Unless perhaps you think fat rolls and cellulite are the same thing?
And FYI, skinny and/or fit women can have noticeable cellulite. Whether you are prone to it is genetic. Being fit can help minimize it, but doesn't guarantee you won't have it.13 -
Just gonna put this right here
PSA: Everyone has cellulite, even one of the most famous athletes in the world, Serena Williams. You don't have to wait until you lose weight to love your body. You don't have to be thin to have self worth. Lift others up instead of bringing them down. We're all in this battle together! 31 -
How many times am I going to have to walk back and clarify my statement? I'm not arguing anything with anyone. I AGREE THAT A WOMAN CAN BE BOTH PRETTY AND NOT LEAN. Just because you are heavy doesn't mean you are not pretty and just because you are lean does not mean you are pretty. Not sure how much more clear I can be.3
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