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They Aren't Curves, They're Fat Rolls
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The prevalence and distribution of cellulite is largely genetic. I happened to get lucky. I'm a healthy weight - on the slim side - and I don't have cellulite. My mom IS overweight and she doesn't have noticeable cellulite either. But I have friends who are leaner than me who do have cellulite. It just is what it is. Although it is true that if you tend to accumulate cellulite, the fatter you are, the more you'll have and the more it will show. Cellulite is just a fact of life, though. Most people have it - fit or not. But fit people tend to have less than they would if they were fat.4
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »How many times am I going to have to walk back and clarify my statement? I'm not arguing anything with anyone. I AGREE THAT A WOMAN CAN BE BOTH PRETTY AND NOT LEAN. Just because you are heavy doesn't mean you are not pretty and just because you are lean does not mean you are pretty. Not sure how much more clear I can be.
I just think you are talking in circles around yourself. I didn't respond to your post because it didn't make sense to me.8 -
I'm over-weight too. And I refuse to apply the same trickery to myself that I refuse to apply to others who are obese or over-weight. I couldn't lose weight until I finally faced the facts. I was fat (still over-weight), lazy and didn't give a crap. And people telling me "you're fine the way you are" was an extreme disservice, even if it was well meaning. We need to cut that out and try honestly on for size.
Just because you've stopped lying to yourself does not mean that everyone else now has to instantly see the light as well.
You do you.15 -
Don't most women have fat rolls when they sit down or wear pants that are way too tight, unless they have incredibly low body fat %?? I don't have any fat rolls when I'm standing up, but i kinda do when I'm sitting.4
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How is it helping anyone by telling a fat person they are fat and not curvy? IMO, if the end goal is to be motivational, I don't believe that is the way to do it.9
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Technically? Everybody has a ton of curves. Technically, a fat roll is a curve, not a rigid angle. Ergo, your argument is invalid.28
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I get what you're saying, but your nomenclature isn't consistent. It depends on the persons definition.
To me, curvy means Marilyn Monroe type women. And obese means Ashley Graham. Your use of fat rolls can be applied to both, but I know that the media tends to call people like Ashley Graham "curvy". Curvy, in my definition, just means a person in a "normal" body fat range. That would be someone with a normal BMI (which still might have fat rolls when sitting). I'm not politically correct, so being outside the BMI is usually unhealthy. Especially at a extreme with obese models like Ashley Graham.7 -
I get what you're saying, but your nomenclature isn't consistent. It depends on the persons definition.
To me, curvy means Marilyn Monroe type women. And obese means Ashley Graham. Your use of fat rolls can be applied to both, but I know that the media tends to call people like Ashley Graham "curvy". Curvy, in my definition, just means a person in a "normal" body fat range. That would be someone with a normal BMI (which still might have fat rolls when sitting). I'm not politically correct, so being outside the BMI is usually unhealthy. Especially at a extreme with obese models like Ashley Graham.
Interesting, I looked it up, Marilyn was 5'5" 118 lb, BMI 19.6, Ashley is 5'9", 201 lbs BMI of 29.7.1 -
born_of_fire74 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »She's very pretty but those are not the legs of a fit person.
We're talking about fat, though, not fit. And honestly, I don't think we can deduce anyone's fitness by how their legs look.
Sure you can. The bumpy, lumpy skin on her thighs looks that way due to cellulite. Cellulite is fat. Stubborn fat that is distressingly easy to accumulate and distressingly difficult to shed but it's fat. My legs looked just like that when I was heavier (30%BF) and don't now that I'm fit (23%BF). You'll be hard pressed to find cellulite deposits on fit people.
Okay, I'm 108 pounds and a long distance runner. If you look at the backs of my legs . . . I've got a bit of cellulite. Yeah, it's fat. But all women -- even fit women -- have *some* body fat. If you're taking cellulite as the measure of an unfit woman ... well, come to Minneapolis some time and we'll do a 20-mile run together. I bet I could at least keep up with you.17 -
TeacupsAndToning wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I get what you're saying, but your nomenclature isn't consistent. It depends on the persons definition.
To me, curvy means Marilyn Monroe type women. And obese means Ashley Graham. Your use of fat rolls can be applied to both, but I know that the media tends to call people like Ashley Graham "curvy". Curvy, in my definition, just means a person in a "normal" body fat range. That would be someone with a normal BMI (which still might have fat rolls when sitting). I'm not politically correct, so being outside the BMI is usually unhealthy. Especially at a extreme with obese models like Ashley Graham.
Interesting, I looked it up, Marilyn was 5'5" 118 lb, BMI 19.6, Ashley is 5'9", 201 lbs BMI of 29.7.
The issue with using Marilyn as an example is that throughout her adult life she fluctuated a lot. So when one person says Marilyn they mean this:
And then other people mean this:
This article says she topped out at 140 lbs so would still be normal BMI,
http://www.shape.com/blogs/weight-loss-coach/day-marilyn-monroes-diet1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »TeacupsAndToning wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I get what you're saying, but your nomenclature isn't consistent. It depends on the persons definition.
To me, curvy means Marilyn Monroe type women. And obese means Ashley Graham. Your use of fat rolls can be applied to both, but I know that the media tends to call people like Ashley Graham "curvy". Curvy, in my definition, just means a person in a "normal" body fat range. That would be someone with a normal BMI (which still might have fat rolls when sitting). I'm not politically correct, so being outside the BMI is usually unhealthy. Especially at a extreme with obese models like Ashley Graham.
Interesting, I looked it up, Marilyn was 5'5" 118 lb, BMI 19.6, Ashley is 5'9", 201 lbs BMI of 29.7.
The issue with using Marilyn as an example is that throughout her adult life she fluctuated a lot. So when one person says Marilyn they mean this:
And then other people mean this:
This article says she topped out at 140 lbs so would still be normal BMI,
http://www.shape.com/blogs/weight-loss-coach/day-marilyn-monroes-diet
Right, so she was curvy but not obese, which is what the poster who brought her up was saying.
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I agree with those who are saying curvy is a shape, a fat distribution pattern, that can apply to thin or overweight women. I'd personally say both Marilyn and Ashley are curvy, despite one being normal weight and one being overweight. And I don't see what calling someone fat would accomplish regardless <shrug>10 -
You can actually find many, many pics of women who are obese but don't have fat rolls, because those are the obese women who become models.
It's almost like obese models aren't at all representative of what actually obese women look like, just as most "average" models aren't at all what the average woman looks like.
Oh, and those "average" models also have all their imperfections photoshopped out.10 -
I know this is the debate forum, but Christ - how many "fat people should ONLY call themselves fat so they don't lie to themselves" threads do we need to have? Can't they get consolidated into one massive fat-hating thread?36
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Curvy can mean fit, fat, overweight, or healthy weight.
Yes, you can be curvy and overweight and not have cellulite. Yes, you can be fit and have cellulite. You can even be fat and fit.
I think the OP was just trying to say that if you're unfit and overweight (either with or without cellulite, either hourglass figure or round), you might be trying to make yourself feel better about yourself by calling yourself curvy, but deep down you know you're unfit and overweight.
The OP might also agree that it takes more than semantics to be happy with yourself, and we should all do our best to combat the health media's myths and scams.
This thread might be better merged with the HAES thread.6 -
Curvy can mean fit, fat, overweight, or healthy weight.
Yes, you can be curvy and overweight and not have cellulite. Yes, you can be fit and have cellulite. You can even be fat and fit.
I think the OP was just trying to say that if you're unfit and overweight (either with or without cellulite, either hourglass figure or round), you might be trying to make yourself feel better about yourself by calling yourself curvy, but deep down you know you're unfit and overweight.
The OP might also agree that it takes more than semantics to be happy with yourself, and we should all do our best to combat the health media's myths and scams.
This thread might be better merged with the HAES thread.
Well said. Thank you. Whoever's in charge can merge or close this if they wish.
Peace out.
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Ummm pretty sure I'm fat AND curvy.1
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BMI 30.2 (obese)
Curves, not fat rolls.
BMI 33.2 (obese)
Curves, not fat rolls
BMI 35.3 (obese)
Still curves, not fat rolls. I retained a remarkably flat stomach.
I didn't see a fat roll until I topped 250, and as I lost weight, they were gone by 250 again. That was a BMI 37.7 for me.
No, I wasn't in denial that I was severely overweight and needed to lose *a lot* . But my shape was curvy, not "fat rolls". And I'm no model. But my body shape has remained consistent all the way down to my current 154.12 -
Do you similarly criticize normal weight people who are described as "athletic build" (to mean broad shoulders) despite not being athletic? Do you think these women should be described as "normal weight woman" because they need to get real? You made the same mistake and called normal weight people "fit", which not all normal people are. Fitness has to do with certain activities, not with body shape. Do you think you are not being honest? Or is it just a common term to use?
I'm fat (I have no problems with that word), I'm obese (BMI over 30), and I'm curvey (0.79 waist to hip ratio). I can accept any of these terms as a description of my body type without being being delusional. These are just words and don't need to be emotionally charged one way or the other.17 -
A Dodgers minor league team recently canceled and actually apologized for scheduling an "Hourglass Appreciation Night."
Why? Well, because it offended people's sensibilities. But let's call fat curvy and continue promoting the idea that the unhealthiness of obesity is just wonderful. Wow, seriously!
It was canceled because people objected to the way it advertised the women that were going to be at the game as nothing more than their shapes. Incredibly sexist, different than what you are arguing; the problem would still be there no matter how they were described. http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-ogden-hourglass-20170606-story.html10 -
bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.12 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Don't most women have fat rolls when they sit down or wear pants that are way too tight, unless they have incredibly low body fat %?? I don't have any fat rolls when I'm standing up, but i kinda do when I'm sitting.
I am really small and thin and still have "rolls" when I sit even though when standing my stomach is completely flat and my ab are super visible. I think everyone does.0 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
Well, she is pretty attractive (to me at least). I don't know about her health status, but this body shape is much less likely to to develop obesity related metabolic issues than someone who holds most of their weight viscerally. Could she afford losing a bit of weight? Sure, she has enough body fat to handle that if she wanted, but I don't believe being at this weight takes away from the fact that she is attractive (maybe even enhances her attractiveness - to me).16 -
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
Some people just like a bigger bodytype on a prospective date. It just depends on what u like. She looks pretty darn good to me too.2 -
Packerjohn wrote: »
If I was that heavy I'd be lumpy af lol agreed.2 -
https://instagram.com/p/50BCQstTqI/?taken-by=justmanderthings
Still 10lbs overweight in that pic by bmi, I consider myself curvy with 0 fat rolls
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I think the problem comes in when people speak in absolutes and in terms of 'we'. I believe in solidarity in many things, but someone's weight, I believe, is their own personal business.Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Don't most women have fat rolls when they sit down or wear pants that are way too tight, unless they have incredibly low body fat %?? I don't have any fat rolls when I'm standing up, but i kinda do when I'm sitting.
I am really small and thin and still have "rolls" when I sit even though when standing my stomach is completely flat and my ab are super visible. I think everyone does.
I've seen a lot of people say this - that 'everyone' has rolls when they sit. Honestly, this is mind boggling to me. I didn't have rolls at 5'5 and 211 lbs and I don't have them now at 171. I'm currently sitting down and I still don't have rolls. I even tried leaning forward or backwards to see if that would create them, but no. I might have had them at 211 sitting down - I never really noticed, but I definitely don't have them now and I'm still overweight. I don't know if it's a posture issue or what, but this is why I don't think people can make blanket statements about 'everyone'.1 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
You are surprised that people find different body types attractive? Really?16 -
This article sums up what I was TRYING to say:
Fat and Curvy Are Not the Same Thing
It's short and said what I was trying to say far better than I did apparently.
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True. But fat is fat. Doesn't make them "Curvy" like the enabling industry would have us believe. Again, calling a duck a duck. And the sooner we start taking responsibility and stop making excuses then the healthier we'll become quicker.
I don't think saying someone is curvy is making an excuse. You can be curvy without being fat and you can be curvy while fat. I think you are projecting.
The funny thing about this whole weight loss thing is that when we start making progress we suddenly think we can fix everyone else. Obesity is more complex than the label someone puts on their body. Even if we flat out called people fat it wouldn't fix it.
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
I'm so agreeing with you on this subject.2
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