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They Aren't Curves, They're Fat Rolls
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kittenmittens00 wrote: »
Just gonna put this right here
PSA: Everyone has cellulite, even one of the most famous athletes in the world, Serena Williams. You don't have to wait until you lose weight to love your body. You don't have to be thin to have self worth. Lift others up instead of bringing them down. We're all in this battle together!
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!3 -
For the record, I didn't start this thread to start crap. I thought I was replying to the thread "What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?" I wondered why there was a field to add a title. Oops! :-(
this is the debate forum, so people are going to debate your OP ...
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Curvy is just descriptor of a shape. Words are not the main problem contributing to the weight issues in the US and other countries. Rarely, and I mean SUPER rarely, are people calling themselves "curvy" out of denial. People can call themselves anything they want, and it's not my business to tell them they're viewing themselves wrong. These types of threads can be irritating because they go off on so many tangents including whether a gorgeous model is attractive or not. Ashley Graham is curvy AND beautiful. And I don't call her "curvy" because I'm in denial that she's overweight. Of course she is. But she's still curvy, and she's still beautiful. Why do we care how people describe themselves? Even on the 1% chance someone calling themselves "curvy" is in total denial, screaming "no, you're just fat" at them will not help or change anything.8
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So I find this thread particularly interesting coming on the heels of the "Both genders have the same pressure to be thin" thread. This thread is all about what we call different women's body shapes and whether or not women's body shapes are acceptable or attractive and how to tell whether a woman is fat or curvy, and how we should just call fat women fat.
I was a little surprised to click through to the OPs profile and discover they are male. So OP is a guy who is annoyed by fat women being called curvy.
I have to say that I have never known a woman who was ANY kind of overweight who was staying that weight because she felt it was socially acceptable. The reason is usually either they think it's too difficult or they are too overwhelmed with everything else going on their lives, or they have bought into the fad diet yo-yo cycle.
I have however known several guys who insisted that they weren't really "fat" because they were all muscle under that layer of fat, and the ladies like big guys anyway, and it's just a beer gut.
I seriously doubt there is a huge number of overweight women out there who are staying over weight because someone called them curvy. While the fat acceptance movement is a thing, there are far more social messages telling women (and to some extent men too) to lose weight, and diet, and exercise, and buy diet products, and to get weight-loss procedures, and that women are supposed to be little.27 -
So I find this thread particularly interesting coming on the heels of the "Both genders have the same pressure to be thin" thread. This thread is all about what we call different women's body shapes and whether or not women's body shapes are acceptable or attractive and how to tell whether a woman is fat or curvy, and how we should just call fat women fat.
I was a little surprised to click through to the OPs profile and discover they are male. So OP is a guy who is annoyed by fat women being called curvy.
I have to say that I have never known a woman who was ANY kind of overweight who was staying that weight because she felt it was socially acceptable. The reason is usually either they think it's too difficult or they are too overwhelmed with everything else going on their lives, or they have bought into the fad diet yo-yo cycle.
I have however known several guys who insisted that they weren't really "fat" because they were all muscle under that layer of fat, and the ladies like big guys anyway, and it's just a beer gut.
I seriously doubt there is a huge number of overweight women out there who are staying over weight because someone called them curvy. While the fat acceptance movement is a thing, there are far more social messages telling women (and to some extent men too) to lose weight, and diet, and exercise, and buy diet products, and to get weight-loss procedures, and that women are supposed to be little.
I'm not surprised at all.10 -
True. But fat is fat. Doesn't make them "Curvy" like the enabling industry would have us believe. Again, calling a duck a duck. And the sooner we start taking responsibility and stop making excuses then the healthier we'll become quicker.
I don't think saying someone is curvy is making an excuse. You can be curvy without being fat and you can be curvy while fat. I think you are projecting.
The funny thing about this whole weight loss thing is that when we start making progress we suddenly think we can fix everyone else.
Obesity is more complex than the label someone puts on their body. Even if we flat out called people fat it wouldn't fix it.
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
This is so true! It's not at all unusual to see this on or off the forums, "everyone's" an expert once they begin making progress.2 -
So I find this thread particularly interesting coming on the heels of the "Both genders have the same pressure to be thin" thread. This thread is all about what we call different women's body shapes and whether or not women's body shapes are acceptable or attractive and how to tell whether a woman is fat or curvy, and how we should just call fat women fat.
I was a little surprised to click through to the OPs profile and discover they are male. So OP is a guy who is annoyed by fat women being called curvy.
I have to say that I have never known a woman who was ANY kind of overweight who was staying that weight because she felt it was socially acceptable. The reason is usually either they think it's too difficult or they are too overwhelmed with everything else going on their lives, or they have bought into the fad diet yo-yo cycle.
I have however known several guys who insisted that they weren't really "fat" because they were all muscle under that layer of fat, and the ladies like big guys anyway, and it's just a beer gut.
I seriously doubt there is a huge number of overweight women out there who are staying over weight because someone called them curvy. While the fat acceptance movement is a thing, there are far more social messages telling women (and to some extent men too) to lose weight, and diet, and exercise, and buy diet products, and to get weight-loss procedures, and that women are supposed to be little.
I'm not surprised at all.
Yeah, I shouldn't have been
but I read it as they stopped calling themselves curvy and now everyone else should. Oh well! 0 -
So I find this thread particularly interesting coming on the heels of the "Both genders have the same pressure to be thin" thread. This thread is all about what we call different women's body shapes and whether or not women's body shapes are acceptable or attractive and how to tell whether a woman is fat or curvy, and how we should just call fat women fat.
I was a little surprised to click through to the OPs profile and discover they are male. So OP is a guy who is annoyed by fat women being called curvy.
I have to say that I have never known a woman who was ANY kind of overweight who was staying that weight because she felt it was socially acceptable. The reason is usually either they think it's too difficult or they are too overwhelmed with everything else going on their lives, or they have bought into the fad diet yo-yo cycle.
I have however known several guys who insisted that they weren't really "fat" because they were all muscle under that layer of fat, and the ladies like big guys anyway, and it's just a beer gut.
I seriously doubt there is a huge number of overweight women out there who are staying over weight because someone called them curvy. While the fat acceptance movement is a thing, there are far more social messages telling women (and to some extent men too) to lose weight, and diet, and exercise, and buy diet products, and to get weight-loss procedures, and that women are supposed to be little.
I was reminded of that thread as well, especially when people are discussing whether Ashley Graham is even attractive or not.4 -
So I find this thread particularly interesting coming on the heels of the "Both genders have the same pressure to be thin" thread. This thread is all about what we call different women's body shapes and whether or not women's body shapes are acceptable or attractive and how to tell whether a woman is fat or curvy, and how we should just call fat women fat.
I was a little surprised to click through to the OPs profile and discover they are male. So OP is a guy who is annoyed by fat women being called curvy.
I have to say that I have never known a woman who was ANY kind of overweight who was staying that weight because she felt it was socially acceptable. The reason is usually either they think it's too difficult or they are too overwhelmed with everything else going on their lives, or they have bought into the fad diet yo-yo cycle.
I have however known several guys who insisted that they weren't really "fat" because they were all muscle under that layer of fat, and the ladies like big guys anyway, and it's just a beer gut.
I seriously doubt there is a huge number of overweight women out there who are staying over weight because someone called them curvy. While the fat acceptance movement is a thing, there are far more social messages telling women (and to some extent men too) to lose weight, and diet, and exercise, and buy diet products, and to get weight-loss procedures, and that women are supposed to be little.
I was reminded of that thread as well, especially when people are discussing whether Ashley Graham is even attractive or not.
IKR? She's gorgeous. That doesn't mean she doesn't need to lose some weight to be healthier, though I'm not her doctor and I don't know what her numbers are. It doesn't change the fact that she looks amazing!2 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
you are surprised that certain people find certain body types attractive, really??4 -
I think the problem comes in when people speak in absolutes and in terms of 'we'. I believe in solidarity in many things, but someone's weight, I believe, is their own personal business.Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Don't most women have fat rolls when they sit down or wear pants that are way too tight, unless they have incredibly low body fat %?? I don't have any fat rolls when I'm standing up, but i kinda do when I'm sitting.
I am really small and thin and still have "rolls" when I sit even though when standing my stomach is completely flat and my ab are super visible. I think everyone does.
I've seen a lot of people say this - that 'everyone' has rolls when they sit. Honestly, this is mind boggling to me. I didn't have rolls at 5'5 and 211 lbs and I don't have them now at 171. I'm currently sitting down and I still don't have rolls. I even tried leaning forward or backwards to see if that would create them, but no. I might have had them at 211 sitting down - I never really noticed, but I definitely don't have them now and I'm still overweight. I don't know if it's a posture issue or what, but this is why I don't think people can make blanket statements about 'everyone'.
True, I think we all have a different perception of what a roll is. You mean you don't even have this?
I have less stomach fat than that but if I sit after eating or when I am bloated I have rolls. I guess what I meant is you can make it so you have roll at pretty much any weight. Obviously proper posture makes it so you don't. My posture is not good at all LOL.4 -
i like being fat, and i love my rolls.
seems like YOU'RE the one with the problem, OP.5 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
You are surprised that people find different body types attractive? Really?
No, I know that some people find overweight bodies attractive. It just always surprises me that it seems like most people actual think it IS more attractive to be slightly overweight since I am not at all. Even my guy friends seem to like slightly overweight body types and it still is just interesting for me to hear.1 -
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Curves are hot. Just saying...5
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
You are surprised that people find different body types attractive? Really?
No, I know that some people find overweight bodies attractive. It just always surprises me that it seems like most people actual think it IS more attractive to be slightly overweight since I am not at all. Even my guy friends seem to like slightly overweight body types and it still is just interesting for me to hear.
If you look at any classical art you'll find being overweight has been considered attractive for large portions of our history. It has been seen as a sign of plenty, fertility, and comfort. Things we take for granted now but were highly prized luxuries for most of human existence.7 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
You are surprised that people find different body types attractive? Really?
No, I know that some people find overweight bodies attractive. It just always surprises me that it seems like most people actual think it IS more attractive to be slightly overweight since I am not at all. Even my guy friends seem to like slightly overweight body types and it still is just interesting for me to hear.
it is called personal preference...5 -
I like being able to split a large pizza with my SO lol9
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
You are surprised that people find different body types attractive? Really?
No, I know that some people find overweight bodies attractive. It just always surprises me that it seems like most people actual think it IS more attractive to be slightly overweight since I am not at all. Even my guy friends seem to like slightly overweight body types and it still is just interesting for me to hear.
Eh, I guess.
For me, I'm more of a "face" guy. And Ms. Graham is absolutely gorgeous, IMO.2 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I think the problem comes in when people speak in absolutes and in terms of 'we'. I believe in solidarity in many things, but someone's weight, I believe, is their own personal business.Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Don't most women have fat rolls when they sit down or wear pants that are way too tight, unless they have incredibly low body fat %?? I don't have any fat rolls when I'm standing up, but i kinda do when I'm sitting.
I am really small and thin and still have "rolls" when I sit even though when standing my stomach is completely flat and my ab are super visible. I think everyone does.
I've seen a lot of people say this - that 'everyone' has rolls when they sit. Honestly, this is mind boggling to me. I didn't have rolls at 5'5 and 211 lbs and I don't have them now at 171. I'm currently sitting down and I still don't have rolls. I even tried leaning forward or backwards to see if that would create them, but no. I might have had them at 211 sitting down - I never really noticed, but I definitely don't have them now and I'm still overweight. I don't know if it's a posture issue or what, but this is why I don't think people can make blanket statements about 'everyone'.
True, I think we all have a different perception of what a roll is. You mean you don't even have this?
I have less stomach fat than that but if I sit after eating or when I am bloated I have rolls. I guess what I meant is you can make it so you have roll at pretty much any weight. Obviously proper posture makes it so you don't. My posture is not good at all LOL.
Oh this! I've been thinking this whole time of literal fat rolls like some overweight/obese people have. I'd google for an image, but I'm lazy and I'm sure you know what I mean.
And yes, in both pics these women are hunched over. I think if anyone hunches over like that their stomach will do that, but it's not what I would call a 'fat roll'.
I'll admit I never sit like that because as a child my mother used fear tactics (you'll be hunched over when you're old was my favorite) to instill proper posture in us.2 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »
I am very surprised people find this body type attractive as I think she should lose weight and looks unhealthily large.
I think OP may just be getting at the fact that "curvy" people are just fat and need to stop calling it curvy because it's just a way to excuse being overweight and actually promotes it and gives the impression being overweight is 100% normal and ok. And that is the last thing we need when 70% of the country is overweight. I read a few studies showing how people's perception has changed. Many kids growing up in this generation only see overweight adults and think it is normal. Overweight is normal. Being at a healthy BMI is not the norm, as sad as it is.
You are surprised that people find different body types attractive? Really?
No, I know that some people find overweight bodies attractive. It just always surprises me that it seems like most people actual think it IS more attractive to be slightly overweight since I am not at all. Even my guy friends seem to like slightly overweight body types and it still is just interesting for me to hear.
Eh, I guess.
For me, I'm more of a "face" guy. And Ms. Graham is absolutely gorgeous, IMO.
Oh there is no doubt she is absolutely gorgeous.0 -
2011rocket3touring wrote: »
Gross.6 -
I think just about everyone on this thread has made some good points. My own personal opinion is that yes, you can be curvy at any weight, hourglass shaped. Someone who is in a healthy weight range can be curvy and someone who is overweight/obese can also be curvy. Some people are not using it as an excuse, it really is their shape, but I think it is realistic that many do use it as an excuse. If they were a healthy weight, they would not have a curvy hourglass shape. Many people are in denial about their weight and the health effects of it, and will refer to themselves as curvy as a way to stay in that denial. Then they use examples like Marilyn, and Ashley to justify their unhealthy behaviors. To me that was what the OP and others have been trying to express, but did not do it in a very gentle way. Now will telling them they are fat, or shaming them for it help them in any way, probably not. But as the OP stated they were actually replying to unpopular diet options thread, so I doubt the person actually goes around just telling everyone how fat they are. At least I hope so, we all have our opinions but I think for the most part people don't go out of their way to be hurtful and cruel.1
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But as the OP stated they were actually replying to unpopular diet options thread, so I doubt the person actually goes around just telling everyone how fat they are. At least I hope so, we all have our opinions but I think for the most part people don't go out of their way to be hurtful and cruel.
That's correct. Thank you. I know I've come across as a jerk in this thread, but it's really not who I am. I definitely could have done a better job expressing myself.
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For the record, I didn't start this thread to start crap. I thought I was replying to the thread "What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?" I wondered why there was a field to add a title. Oops! :-(
Peeps, since the OP meant to post in this thread, I think some of you are being way too harsh: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10563221/what-are-your-unpopular-opinions-about-health-fitness6 -
Curves vs. rolls comes down to genetics, age and fitness levels, IMO. Someone gaining weight in the midsection (beer belly) will have more rolls than someone who gains weight on their hips and thighs. The slightly overweight model that was posted early on gained in the hips and thighs. If those extra 20lbs were in her trunk, I doubt she'd be modelling.4
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Health-wise and regarding attractiveness, the ideal waist-hip ratio for a woman is around 0.7. You can have that ratio at 115 lbs or 215 lbs. There has even been stuff done saying the WHR is an independent predictor of several health-related outcomes. Within the American definition of beauty, the ideal weight has fallen over time but the waist-hip ratio has stayed in a narrow range.
So yeah, you can be curvalicious and be overweight but being overweight doesn't automatically mean you don't have what someone is looking for.3 -
Curvy versus chunky, perhaps?1
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People can call their bodies whatever they want. If you think your curvy you are, if you rather be called fat, awesome.
Must suck to have such internalized fat phobia.10 -
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