Marriage Issue...Thoughts??
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Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »kschwab0203 wrote: »My fiance and I got engaged 6 months ago. At that time, we both agreed that we would wait to get married until we moved.
We recently moved into a new house (rental) a little over a month ago. Last week I asked him if he he'd like to talk about wedding dates. I told him i was not in a rush to get married we could even plan for a year or so from now, but just wanted his thoughts. He said that he doesn't want to get married until we buy a house. That's not what he said 6 months ago although he maintains that it is.
I told him that I was not comfortable buying a house together if we are not married. I was married for 15 years, had 3 kids, and was left with nothing after the divorce because I stupidly let my ex-husband put everything in his name only. Due to my divorce, my credit is not good enough to be on the loan and will stay that way for quite some time. I just don't want to put my money into something again that I have no rights to.
Now my fiance is pissed and thinks that I am trying to back him into a corner with the whole marriage thing, but I am really not. I'm just trying to be smarter about things this time around.
He says he shouldn't have to pay for another person's mistakes. Sometimes I feel like a house is the only thing that is important to him. I feel that he should not have ever asked me if he was going to put stipulations on it. He says he just wants a forever home first.
Now I don't want to discuss a wedding or a house any time soon. What's the compromise? Am I being unrealistic?
Thoughts?
Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
I always considered mine an equal partnership. We're a family and we do the best for our family. if you're considering the prospect of winning or losing in a marriage (even relationships) then I don't think it's the concept that's wrong...it's you.
That's fine and well as long as your PARTNER considers it a partnership too. But let me assure you...no part of the law or societal standards as they relate to marriages are equitable towards men. It's ok to take the red pill. I promise.
Oh, this again. :huh: It's really not ok. There are plenty of male PARTNERS who failed to hold up their side of the marriage vows as well.
Accurate and undisputed. But the law does not favor them now does it?2 -
Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »kschwab0203 wrote: »My fiance and I got engaged 6 months ago. At that time, we both agreed that we would wait to get married until we moved.
We recently moved into a new house (rental) a little over a month ago. Last week I asked him if he he'd like to talk about wedding dates. I told him i was not in a rush to get married we could even plan for a year or so from now, but just wanted his thoughts. He said that he doesn't want to get married until we buy a house. That's not what he said 6 months ago although he maintains that it is.
I told him that I was not comfortable buying a house together if we are not married. I was married for 15 years, had 3 kids, and was left with nothing after the divorce because I stupidly let my ex-husband put everything in his name only. Due to my divorce, my credit is not good enough to be on the loan and will stay that way for quite some time. I just don't want to put my money into something again that I have no rights to.
Now my fiance is pissed and thinks that I am trying to back him into a corner with the whole marriage thing, but I am really not. I'm just trying to be smarter about things this time around.
He says he shouldn't have to pay for another person's mistakes. Sometimes I feel like a house is the only thing that is important to him. I feel that he should not have ever asked me if he was going to put stipulations on it. He says he just wants a forever home first.
Now I don't want to discuss a wedding or a house any time soon. What's the compromise? Am I being unrealistic?
Thoughts?
Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
I always considered mine an equal partnership. We're a family and we do the best for our family. if you're considering the prospect of winning or losing in a marriage (even relationships) then I don't think it's the concept that's wrong...it's you.
That's fine and well as long as your PARTNER considers it a partnership too. But let me assure you...no part of the law or societal standards as they relate to marriages are equitable towards men. It's ok to take the red pill. I promise.
Oh, this again. :huh: It's really not ok. There are plenty of male PARTNERS who failed to hold up their side of the marriage vows as well.
Accurate and undisputed. But the law does not favor them now does it?
In my (second-hand, never divorced) experience, the law favors those who can afford the highest-priced lawyer. That is not usually the one who was the primary caregiver to small children (mutually agreed upon to bring into the world, mind you) at the expense of their career.5 -
Marriage sucks. Don't do it is my best advice. Best way to ruin perfectly great friendships.4
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Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »kschwab0203 wrote: »My fiance and I got engaged 6 months ago. At that time, we both agreed that we would wait to get married until we moved.
We recently moved into a new house (rental) a little over a month ago. Last week I asked him if he he'd like to talk about wedding dates. I told him i was not in a rush to get married we could even plan for a year or so from now, but just wanted his thoughts. He said that he doesn't want to get married until we buy a house. That's not what he said 6 months ago although he maintains that it is.
I told him that I was not comfortable buying a house together if we are not married. I was married for 15 years, had 3 kids, and was left with nothing after the divorce because I stupidly let my ex-husband put everything in his name only. Due to my divorce, my credit is not good enough to be on the loan and will stay that way for quite some time. I just don't want to put my money into something again that I have no rights to.
Now my fiance is pissed and thinks that I am trying to back him into a corner with the whole marriage thing, but I am really not. I'm just trying to be smarter about things this time around.
He says he shouldn't have to pay for another person's mistakes. Sometimes I feel like a house is the only thing that is important to him. I feel that he should not have ever asked me if he was going to put stipulations on it. He says he just wants a forever home first.
Now I don't want to discuss a wedding or a house any time soon. What's the compromise? Am I being unrealistic?
Thoughts?
Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
I always considered mine an equal partnership. We're a family and we do the best for our family. if you're considering the prospect of winning or losing in a marriage (even relationships) then I don't think it's the concept that's wrong...it's you.
That's fine and well as long as your PARTNER considers it a partnership too. But let me assure you...no part of the law or societal standards as they relate to marriages are equitable towards men. It's ok to take the red pill. I promise.
Well I am assured! thank you kind sir. you used lots of big words and seem to have a good crasp on English law.
P.s. No one forced me to marry her, I chose to do so. I didn't pick a *kitten* that's going to try hamstring me because I'm not a moron.
Well I guess you won the prize (or she did....WAIT this is an equitable marriage). Congratulations big feller.
[Anxiously awaiting the blockbuster summer movie starring Owen Wilson and Emily Blunt featuring zany antics and heartwarming shenanigans based on your picture book marriage].
Lol Wow the bitterness is strong in this one.
Truth is, a lot of folks have decent marriages. Just because yours (I assume) *kitten* up don't try brand all marriage a one sided woman love fest. Let others be happy even if you can't.10 -
MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »kschwab0203 wrote: »My fiance and I got engaged 6 months ago. At that time, we both agreed that we would wait to get married until we moved.
We recently moved into a new house (rental) a little over a month ago. Last week I asked him if he he'd like to talk about wedding dates. I told him i was not in a rush to get married we could even plan for a year or so from now, but just wanted his thoughts. He said that he doesn't want to get married until we buy a house. That's not what he said 6 months ago although he maintains that it is.
I told him that I was not comfortable buying a house together if we are not married. I was married for 15 years, had 3 kids, and was left with nothing after the divorce because I stupidly let my ex-husband put everything in his name only. Due to my divorce, my credit is not good enough to be on the loan and will stay that way for quite some time. I just don't want to put my money into something again that I have no rights to.
Now my fiance is pissed and thinks that I am trying to back him into a corner with the whole marriage thing, but I am really not. I'm just trying to be smarter about things this time around.
He says he shouldn't have to pay for another person's mistakes. Sometimes I feel like a house is the only thing that is important to him. I feel that he should not have ever asked me if he was going to put stipulations on it. He says he just wants a forever home first.
Now I don't want to discuss a wedding or a house any time soon. What's the compromise? Am I being unrealistic?
Thoughts?
Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
I always considered mine an equal partnership. We're a family and we do the best for our family. if you're considering the prospect of winning or losing in a marriage (even relationships) then I don't think it's the concept that's wrong...it's you.
That's fine and well as long as your PARTNER considers it a partnership too. But let me assure you...no part of the law or societal standards as they relate to marriages are equitable towards men. It's ok to take the red pill. I promise.
Well I am assured! thank you kind sir. you used lots of big words and seem to have a good crasp on English law.
P.s. No one forced me to marry her, I chose to do so. I didn't pick a *kitten* that's going to try hamstring me because I'm not a moron.
Well I guess you won the prize (or she did....WAIT this is an equitable marriage). Congratulations big feller.
[Anxiously awaiting the blockbuster summer movie starring Owen Wilson and Emily Blunt featuring zany antics and heartwarming shenanigans based on your picture book marriage].
Lol Wow the bitterness is strong in this one.
Truth is, a lot of folks have decent marriages. Just because yours (I assume) *kitten* up don't try brand all marriage a one sided woman love fest. Let others be happy even if you can't.
Roger that Stabbems.2 -
Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »kschwab0203 wrote: »My fiance and I got engaged 6 months ago. At that time, we both agreed that we would wait to get married until we moved.
We recently moved into a new house (rental) a little over a month ago. Last week I asked him if he he'd like to talk about wedding dates. I told him i was not in a rush to get married we could even plan for a year or so from now, but just wanted his thoughts. He said that he doesn't want to get married until we buy a house. That's not what he said 6 months ago although he maintains that it is.
I told him that I was not comfortable buying a house together if we are not married. I was married for 15 years, had 3 kids, and was left with nothing after the divorce because I stupidly let my ex-husband put everything in his name only. Due to my divorce, my credit is not good enough to be on the loan and will stay that way for quite some time. I just don't want to put my money into something again that I have no rights to.
Now my fiance is pissed and thinks that I am trying to back him into a corner with the whole marriage thing, but I am really not. I'm just trying to be smarter about things this time around.
He says he shouldn't have to pay for another person's mistakes. Sometimes I feel like a house is the only thing that is important to him. I feel that he should not have ever asked me if he was going to put stipulations on it. He says he just wants a forever home first.
Now I don't want to discuss a wedding or a house any time soon. What's the compromise? Am I being unrealistic?
Thoughts?
Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
I always considered mine an equal partnership. We're a family and we do the best for our family. if you're considering the prospect of winning or losing in a marriage (even relationships) then I don't think it's the concept that's wrong...it's you.
That's fine and well as long as your PARTNER considers it a partnership too. But let me assure you...no part of the law or societal standards as they relate to marriages are equitable towards men. It's ok to take the red pill. I promise.
Oh, this again. :huh: It's really not ok. There are plenty of male PARTNERS who failed to hold up their side of the marriage vows as well.
Accurate and undisputed. But the law does not favor them now does it?
In my (second-hand, never divorced) experience, the law favors those who can afford the highest-priced lawyer. That is not usually the one who was the primary caregiver to small children (mutually agreed upon to bring into the world, mind you) at the expense of their career.
Inaccurate.
And western culture puts undue pressure on men to work but allows women the option to either choose to "have a career" or be a "stay at home mom." The occupation of "caregiver" is hardly mutually agreed upon.
You should really check out prominent feminist Cassie Jay's most recent documentary.0 -
lol this guy is funny as *kitten*3
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Is it because he thinks you guys can't afford a wedding (or that a wedding will be expensive)..... or is it because he doesn't want to marry you? I really don't get it? My husband and I got married for less than $500 and we eloped. A house never came into the question, we just wanted to be together? But if your idea of a wedding is $90,000 later, then I would understand why a house had entered the realm of discussion.0
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MrStabbems wrote: »lol this guy is funny as *kitten*
I'm a fan of yours too.1 -
....whispers "marriage"
A WILD MRA APPEARS9 -
This is my opinion and my interpretation. And honestly this is not the place for this, nor do we have enough information.
This is tough on multiple levels. Is it love or money. Baggage you both have. Dreams you both have different are different. Though honestly I am wondering if both of you understand what you really want, because I would think that you could meet in the middle if you are on the same page.
It sounds like you got screwed last time, but if being married last time did not protect you because his name was on everything, then how is it going to protect you this time, because if your Credit sucks, then it sounds like your name would not be on anything this time either. (State laws vary in protection, and I am not an attorney, so I will not try to figure out what protections you have there.) Of course if he needs your income, can he really qualify without you? So what is marriage protecting, and what exactly is it preventing?
I will simply wish you luck at figuring out where you are going, because that seems to be the question, and leave it there.
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Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »kschwab0203 wrote: »My fiance and I got engaged 6 months ago. At that time, we both agreed that we would wait to get married until we moved.
We recently moved into a new house (rental) a little over a month ago. Last week I asked him if he he'd like to talk about wedding dates. I told him i was not in a rush to get married we could even plan for a year or so from now, but just wanted his thoughts. He said that he doesn't want to get married until we buy a house. That's not what he said 6 months ago although he maintains that it is.
I told him that I was not comfortable buying a house together if we are not married. I was married for 15 years, had 3 kids, and was left with nothing after the divorce because I stupidly let my ex-husband put everything in his name only. Due to my divorce, my credit is not good enough to be on the loan and will stay that way for quite some time. I just don't want to put my money into something again that I have no rights to.
Now my fiance is pissed and thinks that I am trying to back him into a corner with the whole marriage thing, but I am really not. I'm just trying to be smarter about things this time around.
He says he shouldn't have to pay for another person's mistakes. Sometimes I feel like a house is the only thing that is important to him. I feel that he should not have ever asked me if he was going to put stipulations on it. He says he just wants a forever home first.
Now I don't want to discuss a wedding or a house any time soon. What's the compromise? Am I being unrealistic?
Thoughts?
Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
I always considered mine an equal partnership. We're a family and we do the best for our family. if you're considering the prospect of winning or losing in a marriage (even relationships) then I don't think it's the concept that's wrong...it's you.
That's fine and well as long as your PARTNER considers it a partnership too. But let me assure you...no part of the law or societal standards as they relate to marriages are equitable towards men. It's ok to take the red pill. I promise.
Oh, this again. :huh: It's really not ok. There are plenty of male PARTNERS who failed to hold up their side of the marriage vows as well.
Accurate and undisputed. But the law does not favor them now does it?
In my (second-hand, never divorced) experience, the law favors those who can afford the highest-priced lawyer. That is not usually the one who was the primary caregiver to small children (mutually agreed upon to bring into the world, mind you) at the expense of their career.
Inaccurate.
And western culture puts undue pressure on men to work but allows women the option to either choose to "have a career" or be a "stay at home mom." The occupation of "caregiver" is hardly mutually agreed upon.
You should really check out prominent feminist Cassie Jay's most recent documentary.
I love it when that argument gets thrown around. My husband's a SAHD. If anything within marriage is not mutually agreed upon, there is a fundamental imbalance in the relationship that needs to be addressed by both parties.
You mean The Red Pill? Maybe when I'm ready to lose that tiny sliver of faith in humanity I'm clinging so desperately to.4 -
Dr__Girlfriend wrote: »....whispers "marriage"
A WILD MRA APPEARS
Wild? I'm triggered. Oh so triggered. (In my largest boldest most italicized sarcasm font)0 -
itsfuntobedevilinabluedress wrote: »kclewis416 wrote: »don't get married - its a waste of money - and money is what you need to buy a house!
I was married for about 400.00. That includes rings. You don't pay for a house you have no legal rights to.
I got married for $100 for the license... No rings, wore a dress I already had. And the $100 felt steep at the time. Plus the going to the courthouse and finding out we had to apply for the license and then wait 24 hours. All well in the end though.
I wouldn't buy a house with someone I'm not married to honestly. And you got burned before, so your concerns seem reasonable.
It does sound like he's dragging his feet on the marriage.0 -
Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
Actually most studies show that married men are healthier and financially better off than single men. Divorced men though... not as healthy or as wealthy. Getting married and staying married IS a winning proposition for men.
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nevadavis1 wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
Actually most studies show that married men are healthier and financially better off than single men. Divorced men though... not as healthy or as wealthy. Getting married and staying married IS a winning proposition for men.
Most studies show ice cream is good for you.2 -
nevadavis1 wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
Actually most studies show that married men are healthier and financially better off than single men. Divorced men though... not as healthy or as wealthy. Getting married and staying married IS a winning proposition for men.
If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
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Carillon_Campanello wrote: »kschwab0203 wrote: »My fiance and I got engaged 6 months ago. At that time, we both agreed that we would wait to get married until we moved.
We recently moved into a new house (rental) a little over a month ago. Last week I asked him if he he'd like to talk about wedding dates. I told him i was not in a rush to get married we could even plan for a year or so from now, but just wanted his thoughts. He said that he doesn't want to get married until we buy a house. That's not what he said 6 months ago although he maintains that it is.
I told him that I was not comfortable buying a house together if we are not married. I was married for 15 years, had 3 kids, and was left with nothing after the divorce because I stupidly let my ex-husband put everything in his name only. Due to my divorce, my credit is not good enough to be on the loan and will stay that way for quite some time. I just don't want to put my money into something again that I have no rights to.
Now my fiance is pissed and thinks that I am trying to back him into a corner with the whole marriage thing, but I am really not. I'm just trying to be smarter about things this time around.
He says he shouldn't have to pay for another person's mistakes. Sometimes I feel like a house is the only thing that is important to him. I feel that he should not have ever asked me if he was going to put stipulations on it. He says he just wants a forever home first.
Now I don't want to discuss a wedding or a house any time soon. What's the compromise? Am I being unrealistic?
Thoughts?
Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
ut oh....0 -
barefoot_xoxo wrote: »nevadavis1 wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
Actually most studies show that married men are healthier and financially better off than single men. Divorced men though... not as healthy or as wealthy. Getting married and staying married IS a winning proposition for men.
If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
married men die first because we want to.5 -
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Motorsheen wrote: »married men die first because we want to.
Hell yeah!1 -
Motorsheen wrote: »barefoot_xoxo wrote: »nevadavis1 wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
Actually most studies show that married men are healthier and financially better off than single men. Divorced men though... not as healthy or as wealthy. Getting married and staying married IS a winning proposition for men.
If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
married men die first because we want to.
And yet they still live longer than unmarried men. So the ones who "die first" are the ones without wives.3 -
clicketykeys wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »barefoot_xoxo wrote: »If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
married men die first because we want to.
And yet they still live longer than unmarried men. So the ones who "die first" are the ones without wives.
Men overall have lower life expediencies, but that is largely due to the following factors: 1) men are more likely to die in accidents, violence, or suicide than women, 2) estrogen provides a protective effect against cardiovascular disease in women prior to menopause....
Married men do have a longer life expectancy than single and divorced men.
Here is from an article Seven Reasons Men Die First
1. Males are burdened with natural genetic deficits.
While every cell in a woman's body has two large X chromosomes, men have one X and one smaller Y chromosome; the Y is half the size. The "spare" X chromosomes allow women's bodies to compensate when faced with damage in ways that men's cells cannot. In addition, mutations are three to six times more likely in a Y chromosome than an X chromosome. This genetic deficit could be part of the reason why miscarriages, infections, birth defects, cancers, and many other health problems strike males especially hard.
2. The womb is more treacherous for boys.
Baby boys are one-and-a-half to two times more likely to die at birth than girls. A weaker immune system, a tendency for immature lung development, inadequate blood flow to male fetuses, and high vulnerability to maternal stresses seem to be the culprits. Brain hemorrhages, congenital malformations, pneumonia, and urinary tract infections are all more common among male newborns.
3. Males are more likely to have developmental disorders.
An article published in the British Medical Journal notes that a variety of disorders—including reading delays, deafness, autism, ADHD, blindness, seizure disorders, hyperactivity, clumsiness, stammering, and Tourette's syndrome are three to four times more common in boys than girls. There are 10 males for every female with Asperger's syndrome, a mild form of autism.
4. They're biologically more prone to risky behavior.
Slower development of the area of the brain that governs judgment makes males—especially adolescents—more likely than girls to die in accidents. According to a National Safety Council statistics, males were involved in 82 percent of accidental deaths associated with firearms, 87 percent of bicycle-related fatalities, nearly double the number of poisoning deaths, and almost four times as many homicides in 2004. Likewise, in 2006 they were in 81 percent of fatal crashes involving drunken driving.
5. A "suck-it-up" culture means men often languish with depression.
Although women are more likely to make suicide attempts, the ratio of men to women who actually kill themselves is nearly 4 to 1. For men ages 20 to 24, fully 15 percent of all deaths are suicides.
6. Men choose more dangerous occupations.
The bulk of sailors, firefighters, police officers, construction workers, and farmers are men. Of the 5,734 fatalities that occurred on the job in 2005, men were the victims in the vast majority—5,328. And men still do the vast majority of the fighting during military conflicts.
7. Coronary artery disease strikes men early.
Estrogen seems to protect women from heart disease until they are well into midlife, but it is common for symptoms to begin in men by the age of 35. Making matters worse, men have naturally low levels of protective HDL cholesterol. The result: Between 70 percent and 89 percent of all sudden cardiac events occur in men, and men die three times more frequently of coronary artery disease than women.
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Motorsheen wrote: »barefoot_xoxo wrote: »nevadavis1 wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
Actually most studies show that married men are healthier and financially better off than single men. Divorced men though... not as healthy or as wealthy. Getting married and staying married IS a winning proposition for men.
If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
married men die first because we want to.
I read this and all I can think about is all the smiley faces on those unhappy woman who received their late husbands life insurance money.4 -
Why get married at all? There is more liability to marriage than benefits.4
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Motorsheen wrote: »barefoot_xoxo wrote: »nevadavis1 wrote: »Carillon_Campanello wrote: »Marriage is a losing proposition for men. You ARE in fact (not opinion) backing him into a corner if you realize it or not.
Actually most studies show that married men are healthier and financially better off than single men. Divorced men though... not as healthy or as wealthy. Getting married and staying married IS a winning proposition for men.
If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
married men die first because we want to.
Life expectancy of married women is shorter than for single ladies. Is it because married women want to die sooner too?
More women than men want to get married. Because life expectancy for married women is shorter, are all these women wanting to get married just being suicidal? And, being married is a guaranteed way to die faster for these women ?
We need to discuss that
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Just adding my two cents based on the OP's original post, without having read through the entire thread...find yourself a decent therapist and work out your issues, together, and individually. You most likely won't get any real answers on an internet weight loss forum.0
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peckchris3267 wrote: »Why get married at all? There is more liability to marriage than benefits.
Depends on the kind of person you marry... and the kind of person you ARE.3 -
nevadavis1 wrote: »clicketykeys wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »barefoot_xoxo wrote: »If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
married men die first because we want to.
And yet they still live longer than unmarried men. So the ones who "die first" are the ones without wives.
Men overall have lower life expediencies, but that is largely due to the following factors: 1) men are more likely to die in accidents, violence, or suicide than women, 2) estrogen provides a protective effect against cardiovascular disease in women prior to menopause....
Married men do have a longer life expectancy than single and divorced men.
Here is from an article Seven Reasons Men Die First
1. Males are burdened with natural genetic deficits.
While every cell in a woman's body has two large X chromosomes, men have one X and one smaller Y chromosome; the Y is half the size. The "spare" X chromosomes allow women's bodies to compensate when faced with damage in ways that men's cells cannot. In addition, mutations are three to six times more likely in a Y chromosome than an X chromosome. This genetic deficit could be part of the reason why miscarriages, infections, birth defects, cancers, and many other health problems strike males especially hard.
2. The womb is more treacherous for boys.
Baby boys are one-and-a-half to two times more likely to die at birth than girls. A weaker immune system, a tendency for immature lung development, inadequate blood flow to male fetuses, and high vulnerability to maternal stresses seem to be the culprits. Brain hemorrhages, congenital malformations, pneumonia, and urinary tract infections are all more common among male newborns.
3. Males are more likely to have developmental disorders.
An article published in the British Medical Journal notes that a variety of disorders—including reading delays, deafness, autism, ADHD, blindness, seizure disorders, hyperactivity, clumsiness, stammering, and Tourette's syndrome are three to four times more common in boys than girls. There are 10 males for every female with Asperger's syndrome, a mild form of autism.
4. They're biologically more prone to risky behavior.
Slower development of the area of the brain that governs judgment makes males—especially adolescents—more likely than girls to die in accidents. According to a National Safety Council statistics, males were involved in 82 percent of accidental deaths associated with firearms, 87 percent of bicycle-related fatalities, nearly double the number of poisoning deaths, and almost four times as many homicides in 2004. Likewise, in 2006 they were in 81 percent of fatal crashes involving drunken driving.
5. A "suck-it-up" culture means men often languish with depression.
Although women are more likely to make suicide attempts, the ratio of men to women who actually kill themselves is nearly 4 to 1. For men ages 20 to 24, fully 15 percent of all deaths are suicides.
6. Men choose more dangerous occupations.
The bulk of sailors, firefighters, police officers, construction workers, and farmers are men. Of the 5,734 fatalities that occurred on the job in 2005, men were the victims in the vast majority—5,328. And men still do the vast majority of the fighting during military conflicts.
7. Coronary artery disease strikes men early.
Estrogen seems to protect women from heart disease until they are well into midlife, but it is common for symptoms to begin in men by the age of 35. Making matters worse, men have naturally low levels of protective HDL cholesterol. The result: Between 70 percent and 89 percent of all sudden cardiac events occur in men, and men die three times more frequently of coronary artery disease than women.
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nevadavis1 wrote: »clicketykeys wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »barefoot_xoxo wrote: »If that is true why is it woman live longer then men ?
married men die first because we want to.
And yet they still live longer than unmarried men. So the ones who "die first" are the ones without wives.
Men overall have lower life expediencies, but that is largely due to the following factors: 1) men are more likely to die in accidents, violence, or suicide than women, 2) estrogen provides a protective effect against cardiovascular disease in women prior to menopause....
Married men do have a longer life expectancy than single and divorced men.
Here is from an article Seven Reasons Men Die First:
1. Males are burdened with natural genetic deficits.
While every cell in a woman's body has two large X chromosomes, men have one X and one smaller Y chromosome; the Y is half the size. The "spare" X chromosomes allow women's bodies to compensate when faced with damage in ways that men's cells cannot. In addition, mutations are three to six times more likely in a Y chromosome than an X chromosome. This genetic deficit could be part of the reason why miscarriages, infections, birth defects, cancers, and many other health problems strike males especially hard.
2. The womb is more treacherous for boys.
Baby boys are one-and-a-half to two times more likely to die at birth than girls. A weaker immune system, a tendency for immature lung development, inadequate blood flow to male fetuses, and high vulnerability to maternal stresses seem to be the culprits. Brain hemorrhages, congenital malformations, pneumonia, and urinary tract infections are all more common among male newborns.
3. Males are more likely to have developmental disorders.
An article published in the British Medical Journal notes that a variety of disorders—including reading delays, deafness, autism, ADHD, blindness, seizure disorders, hyperactivity, clumsiness, stammering, and Tourette's syndrome are three to four times more common in boys than girls. There are 10 males for every female with Asperger's syndrome, a mild form of autism.
4. They're biologically more prone to risky behavior.
Slower development of the area of the brain that governs judgment makes males—especially adolescents—more likely than girls to die in accidents. According to a National Safety Council statistics, males were involved in 82 percent of accidental deaths associated with firearms, 87 percent of bicycle-related fatalities, nearly double the number of poisoning deaths, and almost four times as many homicides in 2004. Likewise, in 2006 they were in 81 percent of fatal crashes involving drunken driving.
5. A "suck-it-up" culture means men often languish with depression.
Although women are more likely to make suicide attempts, the ratio of men to women who actually kill themselves is nearly 4 to 1. For men ages 20 to 24, fully 15 percent of all deaths are suicides.
6. Men choose more dangerous occupations.
The bulk of sailors, firefighters, police officers, construction workers, and farmers are men. Of the 5,734 fatalities that occurred on the job in 2005, men were the victims in the vast majority—5,328. And men still do the vast majority of the fighting during military conflicts.
7. Coronary artery disease strikes men early.
Estrogen seems to protect women from heart disease until they are well into midlife, but it is common for symptoms to begin in men by the age of 35. Making matters worse, men have naturally low levels of protective HDL cholesterol. The result: Between 70 percent and 89 percent of all sudden cardiac events occur in men, and men die three times more frequently of coronary artery disease than women.
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2. kids
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