Yet another rant about physicians!
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Walnut butter? I'm going to have to find some of that, it sounds delicious.
Or PECAN butter! Oh my god, a little pecan butter on a sliced banana is an amazing dessert. Thrive Market sells it online, and you can get it a few other places. NOM!1 -
It's such a shame that Primary care doctors don't get that training in nutrition and weight loss/gain. They are the first line of defense, and weight management is such a key ingredient in general health. I think the average person believes that their PCP is well trained in all basic areas. How many people get discouraged about their weight and end up developing weight-related chronic conditions because they trust their doctors?3
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I can tell you that eating less processed food would help greatly your weight loss.
(1) Without knowing how much processed food OP eats, how could you possibly think you know that? I understood OP to be saying that she pretty much does just eat homemade foods, so how exactly would "eating less processed food" help her?
Any amount it's too much in my opinion if you're only trying to lose weight.Whole foods tend to be richer in vitamins and minerals, contains more fiber than processed foods and they're more difficult to digest (a.k.a you get fewer calories, but this really depends on person to person).lemurcat12 wrote: »I can tell you that eating less processed food would help greatly your weight loss.
(2) Processed food is an enormously broad category. For example, some processed foods I eat are: smoked salmon, plain greek yogurt, goat kefir, cheese, canned black soy beans, walnut butter, olive oil, balsamic vinegar, kimchi. I eat those foods in moderation. Please explain how you know enough about me to know that cutting down on those foods would help me with my goals.
In my book "canned black soy beans" it's not a processed food, it's just canned beans.
Also, I don't get where you came from I was just giving an advice to OP because it seems that they needed help and I was just procrastinating and why not sharing few things I learned by myself.
Cutting down on all the foods you listed (excluding the beans and the kimchi), it's very easy, you basically listed a lot of condiments most of them are refined fats/sugar and they're greatly known to be high in calories.
You could replace them with healthier fats(nuts & seeds only), but, again, health and weight loss for some seems to be two different things.
OP specifically titled this "Another rant about physicians" and also stated in their OP that they have lost 13.5 lbs in 40 days AND make most of their food from scratch. So not looking for advice - they are already doing an awesome job! :drinker:21 -
This is why I changed my PCP from a doctor to an APNP. They have the patient care experience of years of nursing but with advanced knowledge. Much more willing to listen, encourages me to take an active part in my health care decisions, and is open to different ways of achieving the same goal.4
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If your doc is like that, do what you know is right and tell them whatever they want to hear.3
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poweredbychai wrote: »Open up your app and show your physician your diary. Show him you are putting in the effort and logging your food - that might give him pause to criticize your eating habits (or he'll find something to harp on like your sodium intake).
This is a great idea.1 -
I had a doctor tell me that I shouldn't do seated shoulder presses. Not cause of shoulder issues, but because it can injure the spine. I switched doctors as soon as I could.
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My doctors ask me for weight loss tips!16
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I love my Doc/nurse Practioner - my insurance offers choice providers who focus on holistic health - we chatted about my goals (lose fat, maintain lean mass) and she was totally supportive and has asked me lots of questions in follow up appointments2
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I never had a weight problem in my life until I moved out to the country, became a housewife, and started cooking everything from scratch. Unfortunately, I turned out to be a really good cook!
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Can't say who is right, wrong or indifferent, but the OP mentions her and the doctor have had discussions in the past regarding her weight/diet. Since she apparently doesn't want to follow his suggestions, how about saving both of them frustration and go to a different provider?2
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Why?
Because processed food IS processed this means you're removing parts of the original food and by processing you're also destroying the nutritional value, this means that you're eating the same amount of calories for fewer nutrients, it's just plain wrong.lemurcat12 wrote: »"Tend to be" -- it varies.
Every food you're going to put in your mouth is going to vary by -10% +10% , both in vitamins and minerals and in calories, that's because the soil they're growing and the climates and how many sunlight the fruit and vegetables are getting, the amount of water the food has to get until the harvest it's also important (this means that if you're eating a not ripe food you're going to get a different quantity of minerals and vitamins)lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, why does everything have to be all or nothing? If OP is losing quite well as is and mostly eating homemade food anyway, how on earth could you think you know that she would do better becoming obsessive about avoiding any processed foods.
Eating a whole foods diet it's so easy that you can't go wrong if you don't buy any refined food.
Also, I say it again, if you're trying to lose weight you shouldn't, but I do have a cheat meal just because building up stress it's counterproductive in the weight loss process, otherwise I wouldn't.lemurcat12 wrote: »Personally, I have a history of obsessing about no processed foods (didn't manage it even then, since among other things I love coffee and live in a northern climate), and I found that loosening up some actually made weight loss EASIER. That's because I have some fast healthy options based around processed foods (greek yogurt, dried pasta which is a great base for a super healthy meal involving lots of veg, some processed (oops) olive oil, pinenuts, shrimp or other lean meat, for example, stuff like that; even adding protein powder to an occasional smoothie was helpful for me and made weight loss a bit easier).
I don't know what kinds of problem you had but I do have successfully been eating this way for over a 1.5 years with no relapses.
Eating oil, in general, it's bad and that's because it's a refined fat, it has no nutritional value more than the omega-6 that it holds (which is laughably low, grapeseed oil and flaxseed oil are way better). If you want the same amount of omega-6 why not eating nuts or seeds that have proteins, fibers, minerals, vitamins and antioxidant?lemurcat12 wrote: »
Obviously it's processed, it's canned.
But if you want ignore that one and explain how the smoked salmon is a problem. Or the greek yogurt.
For the record, my favorite breakfast which I ate over and over when losing is 2 eggs, whatever vegetables I have on hand, a little (processed, oops) feta cheese -- because it adds a TON of taste for few calories -- made into an omelet. On the side, because I enjoy a bit more protein with breakfast, I often have some other source of protein, most often smoked salmon (have done tinned herring) or either cottage cheese or plain greek yogurt. The processed options made my breakfast more satisfying and filling, which means I am more satisfied with the rest of the day -- they helped me.
Canned beans are considered to be "minimally processed foods", this means it usually salted in boiled water, nothing else, could you compare it to cheese or oil?
I'm not going to say anything on meat in general other than just "It's not a way I would eat or live my life", I'm vegan and I'm not here to trying to change someone opinion on that (people already think it's cult when it's not)
Quoting google here:
Generally it takes over 1,000 olives weighing between 4 and 8 kilograms to make one liter of extra virgin olive oil. A large tree can yield enough olives to produce five 1 Liter bottles of olive oil.
Yet again, google on cheese:
In general you can make approximately 500 to 700 grams of fresh Mozzarella or Feta from 4 litres of milk.Approximately 2 litres of milk is needed to make approximately 500 grams of cream cheese and 10 litres of milk is needed to make 1 kg of hard cheese.
See what I'm saying? Also, it seems to be you're following the keto(meme) diet, which is greatly known for causing kidney and liver diseases.lemurcat12 wrote: »Why did you think OP needed help? Did you read her post?
Yes I did, but you seems to take everything like I was referring to you when you clearly didn't post once before I posted my first answer, eating processed food once again, it's bad for weight loss and your health.
More irl examples are-- 100gr of white flour, 364 calories vs 480gr of potatoes, 364 calories.
eating 100 gr of white flour + 85% hydration (bread) it's just 150gr (you're baking it) of food more less.
It's really bad for weight loss because you're eating less volume meals for the same calories, it doesn't make sense.lemurcat12 wrote: »The question is WHY would it help me? Again, they are foods I don't overeat and which make my meals easier to prepare and more satisfying.
Simply put, the more volume you eat, the more full you feel, it's easier to sustain.lemurcat12 wrote: »Not sure how smoked salmon is a condiment or refined fat (is that a thing now) or sugar? It's healthy fats and protein.
I wasn't referring to salmon but oil and vinegar.lemurcat12 wrote: »Dairy adds protein, and cottage cheese and cheese don't have much sugar (not that I'm concerned about sugar from plain greek yogurt -- why on earth should I be?).
I don't know why you should be, but it's refined fat, look up again.lemurcat12 wrote: »How is walnut butter refined fat and sugar? It is ground up walnuts.
Blending food into a food processor is processing food, if you process nuts (high in fats) you get processed nuts. The point here is: if you do things yourself a.k.a buying the nuts and prepare the walnut butter, it's way healthier than buying the processed product w a ton of stuff added (like sugar or whatever they add, to be clear, I'm referring to the label behind a food item).
But this doesn't make it less processed or less calories heavy, it's the same product, just a little healtier.lemurcat12 wrote: »EVOO is bad because "refined fats"? I mean, yes, it's high cal, that's why you don't overdo it. I find it can add a lot of taste, so again makes things easier, not harder.
Spices have pretty much 0 calories and they add way more flavor than any other condiment, you should try, they also have fibers and antioxidants.lemurcat12 wrote: »Balsamic vinegar is high cal?
I didn't say that Balsamic vinegar is high in calories, but condiments like oils are, but anyway, 94% of vinegar is sugar, so it is, processed sugar.lemurcat12 wrote: »Why is eating nuts and seeds only and NO olive oil, no walnut (or almond or pistachio) butter, no dairy, no smoked salmon, so on "healthier" than a good, balanced, nutrient dense diet that includes those things?
Because the negatives of eating processed food it's greater than its benefits, if you're still not sure about this, google yourself some research like I did for the past few years instead of listening to some said "guru".
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You have no clue.14
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How many gallons of water does it take to make one almond?14
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Why is eating nuts and seeds only and NO olive oil, no walnut (or almond or pistachio) butter, no dairy, no smoked salmon, so on "healthier" than a good, balanced, nutrient dense diet that includes those things?
Because the negatives of eating processed food it's greater than its benefits, if you're still not sure about this, google yourself some research like I did for the past few years instead of listening to some said "guru".
How about this. You produce your sources and we'll eat them for lunch instead of the smoked salmon.
Right now, you're presenting yourself as the guru we should listen to and providing no evidence to support your ultimately absurd assertions.14 -
The OP is eating already eating a minimally processed, nutrient dense diet.No need to demonize someone because they aren't militant about their food choices.15
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stanmann571 wrote: »How about this. You produce your sources and we'll eat them for lunch instead of the smoked salmon.
Right now, you're presenting yourself as the guru we should listen to and providing no evidence to support your ultimately absurd assertions.
There's pretty much nothing I said that needs to be confirmed w research, it's plain logic, whole foods tend to be less caloric dense therefore you can eat more than processed.
I thought that is common knowledge that whole foods are healthier than refined foods, especially because I didn't say anything about the wrong of eating sat fats (literally every cheese and meat, because at that point you could just look at it as vegan propaganda, something I don't want to)
Also, if you're willing to come here in Italy I produce tomatoes, eggplants and zucchini, feel free to drop by.Am I the only one who found this post overly combative and sarcastic? The OP is eating a minimally processed, nutrient dense diet and you're treating them like they are gorging on Big Macs and skittles. Take a step back and look at what they're actually eating. No need to demonize someone because they aren't militant about their food choices.
If that so I'm sorry but I'm here just to give an insight of someone trying and succeeding losing over 150lbs, w really good blood work, then again, the whole post up there is an answer to another user that was providing pretty much nothing but the contrary, eating cheese and meat which are really high calories shouldn't be the bulk of your calories because of their caloric density, 100g of plain salmon is usually 208 calories, 100g of eggs 155 calories, you get what I'm saying.
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Are you going to a nutritionist? He's your primary care, aka general care and you're asking for specialty care. It's like asking him to preform heart surgery and then getting upset that he can't. He, however, should be able to recommend a specialist.3
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I work for a medical school, and while I obviously have zero medical training, what I can tell you is that you might benefit from seeing a metabolic physician (usually within the endocrine department) or a registered dietician. They are the ones who are most knowledgeable on weight loss, dietary issues, etc.0
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stanmann571 wrote: »How about this. You produce your sources and we'll eat them for lunch instead of the smoked salmon.
Right now, you're presenting yourself as the guru we should listen to and providing no evidence to support your ultimately absurd assertions.
There's pretty much nothing I said that needs to be confirmed w research, it's plain logic, whole foods tend to be less caloric dense therefore you can eat more than processed.
I thought that is common knowledge that whole foods are healthier than refined foods, especially because I didn't say anything about the wrong of eating sat fats (literally every cheese and meat, because at that point you could just look at it as vegan propaganda, something I don't want to)
You ought to know that 1. Common knowledge isn't common or correct.
2. your plain logic is also wrong.
Also, if you're willing to come here in Italy I produce tomatoes, eggplants and zucchini, feel free to drop by.Am I the only one who found this post overly combative and sarcastic? The OP is eating a minimally processed, nutrient dense diet and you're treating them like they are gorging on Big Macs and skittles. Take a step back and look at what they're actually eating. No need to demonize someone because they aren't militant about their food choices.
If that so I'm sorry but I'm here just to give an insight of someone trying and succeeding losing over 150lbs, w really good blood work, then again, the whole post up there is an answer to another user that was providing pretty much nothing but the contrary, eating cheese and meat which are really high calories shouldn't be the bulk of your calories because of their caloric density, 100g of plain salmon is usually 208 calories, 100g of eggs 155 calories, you get what I'm saying.
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