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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »TeacupsAndToning wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »perkymommy wrote: »KANGOOJUMPS wrote: »well for... of course. why put your life in any kind of sickness if you do not have to. no brainer really. I think the people that are against are just afraid of needles.
I have no problem with needles. I have a problem with something foreign being put in to my body that I truly am not certain that's what it really is what they say it is.
Why in the world do you think they are lying about what is in the vaccine?
And I agree with other posters, you really should not be involved in the healthcare field with these tires of responses.
John do you not understand the resistance to the flu shots is coming from within the healthcare profession not the unaware public in general.
Gale do you not understand that most of your information is from quack websites
Do you understand who you are addressing?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »unparalleledAF wrote: »I get the flu once a decade. My record was 15 years. I don't get the shot.
I would consider it if someone in my close circle was immunocompromised.
As someone who has an immunocompromised person in my close circle, I wish people cared about their potential impact on immunocompromised people they don't know as well (but still will encounter socially and professionally) as they would care about the impact on their loved ones if they were immunocompromised.
Getting the vaccine is not just about protecting those who are close to you.
Perhaps even better we could all take and share Vitamin D to show concern for everyone.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/vitamind-d-supplements-prevent-cold-flu-infections/
'....This new review, led by the Queen Mary University of London (QMUL), looked at 11,321 people across 25 separate trials in order to see if there was any definitive correlations present in this regard. These studies looked at an impressive range of infections, from common cold strains to full-blown influenza.
They came to the conclusion that, for every 33 people regularly taking Vitamin D supplements as part of a balanced diet, one of them would not experience a cold or flu infection during the year. This would make it more effective than the flu vaccination.
Overall, extended to the entire UK, this works out to be 3 million people without the sniffles. This would not just be great for their own health, but would be a huge boost to the British economy in terms of work hours not lost to sickness....'However, before leaping to the nearest pharmacy to ask for vitamin supplements, it’s worth looking at the accompanying editorial in the journal. It points out that within just three months, two studies – this one, and another earlier one – have come to very different conclusions, with one concluding that vitamin D has no effect on disease prevention, with the exception of muscoskeletal diseases.
“Given the short time between articles, why are the conclusions so different?” the editorial reads, adding that the authors of it think that “there are reasons for viewing the headline result cautiously.”
“In absolute terms, the primary result is a reduction from 42% to 40% in the proportion of participants experiencing at least one acute respiratory tract infection,” it notes. This means that taking Vitamin D supplements reduces your risk of getting a cold by 2 percent, which is very minor indeed.
The editorial also points out that the term “acute respiratory tract infection” is loosely defined throughout the 25 trials, meaning that it’s not really clear what Vitamin D supplements are actually having an effect on.
Should these results change clinical practice? Probably not,” it concludes. Right now, the supplement hypothesis is just that – a hypothesis – and one that needs plenty more randomized and controlled trials to be confirmed.
So, for now, Vitamin D supplements remain in the “inconclusive” column. Don’t believe the hype just yet.
Now here is the research article that that news article is based on:
http://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583
Now since you posted an article about this, please point out in that article where it mentions that Vit D leads to a reduction of influenza?I am not against people getting the flu shots for themselves but why not also take Vitamin D3 without health risks as well?
Although extremely rare but can happen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_DFlu season we all know mirrors when we naturally make less Vitamin D in our bodies due to less sunshine at least in North America and Europe.
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I'm against flu shots because the banana industry uses them to inject you with tiny nanobots that control your thinking and makes you (unless you're a non responder, there are a few) want to buy bananas. They run out of batteries every year which is why you have to get another one every year. They say it's because it's "flu season" but we all know that's garbage.9
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First of all it is possible to get to the truth of the matter without resorting to rhetoric.
http://scienceblogs.com/ethicsandscience/2006/03/30/evaluating-scientific-credibil/
This is how we have found the Higgs-Boson and debunked the existence of Aether.
Second, why has it become unfashionable to get behind a collective action? Collaboration built the pyramids, railways, highways. Collaboration has brought us to the brink of eradicating a few diseases.6 -
I don't get them. I never get the flu.2
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I took my D3 this morning. This afternoon I got this year's flu jab.
I don't understand - still - why someone would NOT get it. what is the downside? It's free, doesn't hurt, no side effects if you aren't allergic...I mean, it seems like it's not rocket surgery.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »I took my D3 this morning. This afternoon I got this year's flu jab.
I don't understand - still - why someone would NOT get it. what is the downside? It's free, doesn't hurt, no side effects if you aren't allergic...I mean, it seems like it's not rocket surgery.
I got my first flu shot of my life last year. I refused to get them for years because when I was a kid, my mother got a flu shot, had a reaction, and was ill for several months. What exactly caused her reaction? I don't know. She was also allergic to penicillin and other things. It scared me.
I also didn't worry about the flu because I rarely get viruses and colds. Then a few years ago I did catch the flu and was horribly ill for 3 weeks, so now I will get the shots. The flu can weaken your heart and kill you. I am not as sensitive as my mother and so there is no reason to skip the shots.
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Against...but also against arguing about it. Rarely have I seen anyone's opinion changed about flu shots by having a "discussion" with someone of the opposing opinion.4
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For. I have only had the flu once in my life. It was so horrible. I actually thought I was dying (seriously.) My husband took me to the emergency room at the point I started hallucinating..... When we found out it was "just" the flu, I was really surprised.
This is my personal experience. Therefore, it is not meant in any way to influence others.1 -
I get one every year and have yet to get sick or experience any other problems. I couldn't tell you the last time I had an actual flu.2
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jordanchamzuk wrote: »Wanna see what other people think about this topic.
I for one am very neutral on it. Working in Healthcare I see if fit. However I also see negative effects of it.
What's your thoughts?
As a diabetic w/ heart disease and history of pneumonia, I do it. Every year. Also pneumo-vax, shingles-vax.4 -
Took my wife to the doctor last week and finally had opportunity to discuss what I see in this thread. He confirmed that the Flu shot is available but not routinely given in our country. He doesn't recommend it for people under 65, unless they have immuno-deficiencies, or work in health care, or in the hospitality industry in contact with visitors from other countries.
Also said in countries like England and America it is recommended for everybody. I suppose many contributors to this discussion are from those bigger countries, and therefore have a different perspective to mine.2 -
For them.
Reasoning - many years of research and many thousands of (insert currency of choice here) have been spent on giving people the best chance of living a life as free from flu as reasonably possible.
I'm a firm believer in solid science and as yet, no credible study has disproved their effectiveness.5 -
I'm getting the flu shot every year. I am immunocompromised and diabetic so my doctor makes me get it and the pneumonia vaccine every time the jabs come around. I'll take a jab or two over getting deathly sick any time. A person I new online died from complications of the flu--got pneumonia and died from it; it's a big wake up call.2
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Took my wife to the doctor last week and finally had opportunity to discuss what I see in this thread. He confirmed that the Flu shot is available but not routinely given in our country. He doesn't recommend it for people under 65, unless they have immuno-deficiencies, or work in health care, or in the hospitality industry in contact with visitors from other countries.
Also said in countries like England and America it is recommended for everybody. I suppose many contributors to this discussion are from those bigger countries, and therefore have a different perspective to mine.
Thank you for coming back and posting this. It definitely lends some perspective that perhaps other posters who said they had never been told to get the shot or seen where to get it are located in countries where this is the case.5 -
I work in a hospital with immunocompromised patients so I get one every year. I also have asthma and the flu is a *kitten* when I get it. However, the vax doesn't always cover all strains every year. So I have gotten sick in years past. But I would be much sicker if I didn't get it. I've never had any significant problems from it.3
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I've gotten the flu shot every year for many, many years except for the late 2003/early 2004 season. And I got the flu that year, complete with laryngospasms that obstructed my airway for several terrifying seconds. I will never skip it again.1
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My parents are very against immunisations. I have most of mine since I'm the oldest and they didn't really find out the negative side effects until I was older, but my sister and brother don't have many of theirs. Out of curiosity I did a lot of research on this topic a few years ago and decided I was definitely against it. I won't be getting any more unless it's absolutely necessary because I'm well aware of the negative side effects of them and really don't want the poisons injected into my body.21
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roserejects wrote: »My parents are very against immunisations. I have most of mine since I'm the oldest and they didn't really find out the negative side effects until I was older, but my sister and brother don't have many of theirs. Out of curiosity I did a lot of research on this topic a few years ago and decided I was definitely against it. I won't be getting any more unless it's absolutely necessary because I'm well aware of the negative side effects of them and really don't want the poisons injected into my body.
What negative side effects? What poisons? Thousands of people die every year because of not getting immunized. Where are the thousands who die from vaccines?
The idea that vaccines contain mercury is not truthful - it's been eliminated from most vaccines for over a decade now.9 -
roserejects wrote: »My parents are very against immunisations. I have most of mine since I'm the oldest and they didn't really find out the negative side effects until I was older, but my sister and brother don't have many of theirs. Out of curiosity I did a lot of research on this topic a few years ago and decided I was definitely against it. I won't be getting any more unless it's absolutely necessary because I'm well aware of the negative side effects of them and really don't want the poisons injected into my body.
Dare I ask what the sources of your information were?4 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »roserejects wrote: »My parents are very against immunisations. I have most of mine since I'm the oldest and they didn't really find out the negative side effects until I was older, but my sister and brother don't have many of theirs. Out of curiosity I did a lot of research on this topic a few years ago and decided I was definitely against it. I won't be getting any more unless it's absolutely necessary because I'm well aware of the negative side effects of them and really don't want the poisons injected into my body.
Dare I ask what the sources of your information were?
Dr. Google, I'm sure...3 -
roserejects wrote: »My parents are very against immunisations. I have most of mine since I'm the oldest and they didn't really find out the negative side effects until I was older, but my sister and brother don't have many of theirs. Out of curiosity I did a lot of research on this topic a few years ago and decided I was definitely against it. I won't be getting any more unless it's absolutely necessary because I'm well aware of the negative side effects of them and really don't want the poisons injected into my body.
Darwinism at work...7 -
Completely in favor of flu shots. I had the flu 15 years ago and the next year my husband and I got a flu shot. Neither my husband or I have had it since then, so every fall we are sure to get a flu shot.3
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roserejects wrote: »My parents are very against immunisations. I have most of mine since I'm the oldest and they didn't really find out the negative side effects until I was older, but my sister and brother don't have many of theirs. Out of curiosity I did a lot of research on this topic a few years ago and decided I was definitely against it. I won't be getting any more unless it's absolutely necessary because I'm well aware of the negative side effects of them and really don't want the poisons injected into my body.
So you didn't read the thread I assume? That kind of tells me what level of "research" you did.9 -
suzannesimmons3 wrote: »roserejects wrote: »My parents are very against immunisations. I have most of mine since I'm the oldest and they didn't really find out the negative side effects until I was older, but my sister and brother don't have many of theirs. Out of curiosity I did a lot of research on this topic a few years ago and decided I was definitely against it. I won't be getting any more unless it's absolutely necessary because I'm well aware of the negative side effects of them and really don't want the poisons injected into my body.
Darwinism at work...
Hmmmm so she might not get sick but she can pass it along to her siblings if she becomes a carrier....considering in adulthood so called children's ailments can be fatal I'd hate it if I were the typhoid Mary.
I'm guessing she missed this aspect in her extensive research.3 -
I have had two, got sick for a week after each. I am not against them as I do think older adults and younger children should get them. Along with anyone with a autoimmune issue2
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Just got mine yesterday7
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