Is bread really that bad
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1. There is a finite amount of insulin that the pancreas can produce during a person's lifetime - once that runs out, you are screwed and develop type 2 diabetes. I personally think this is crap.
Totally bogus as my daughter was 2 when she was was diagnosed type 1. Type 1 is when the pancreas stops making insulin.1 -
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »I have what may be somewhat of an ignorant question on the topic but I really want to know. So I do believe that we should not label food as "good" and "bad" but some food groups are correlated to certain diseases (ex: carbs and diabetes). I guess my question is based on what I have been hearing all my life that eating simple carbs can lead to diabetes. I know it is not that simple but I would like to know (if anyone can break if down for me) what it is beyond carbs or fats or whatever that leads to these diseases. I have known perfectly thin looking people who have gotten diabetes because all they eat is pasta and white rice, is that the main factor, that carbs are ALL they eat and not a balanced diet? This person is not overweight at all and does not eat particularly large portions. I am sorry if this is a dumb question but I have learned a lot since joining MFP and want to make sure I absorb all the knowledge I can on here
Carbs don't lead to diabetes, being fat increases the risk, and by default if someone is overweight they are eating more calories than average, which may include more calories from carbs. That's the source of the mix up.
So it's like this:
- carbs don't lead to diabetes, but having diabetes makes controlling carbs necessary
- protein doesn't lead to kidney failure, but having kidney failure makes controlling protein necessary
- fat doesn't lead to galbladder disease, but having galbladder disease makes controlling fat necessary
....and so on.
Okay that helps a lot! I guess my follow up would (if you can explain) be how a person who is not overweight or obese and never has been would develop diabetes or any other such condition?
I have heard 2 schools of thought on this (please don't shoot the messenger here for the first theory)
1. There is a finite amount of insulin that the pancreas can produce during a person's lifetime - once that runs out, you are screwed and develop type 2 diabetes. I personally think this is crap.
2. IR (insulin resistance) develops in the body (bad diet, SAD, etc.), so the body produces more insulin to deal with the glucose in the blood, and IR is cumulative - i.e. it just gets worse as time goes by, so eventually the pancreas cannot produce enough insulin to handle all of the glucose and bam, you have type 2 diabetes. This is the more reasonable and scientific answer and the one that I subscribe to.
Number 1 would be crap because "the pancreas not producing insulin anymore" would be type 1.
And number 2 is reversible.
Yeah, this isn't really valid. I have "reversed" my diabetes in the sense that I have lost 100 lbs, and now have normal A1c levels and manage using diet and exercise. That doesn't mean I'm no longer diabetic. If I eat more than 45g of carbs at a sitting, my glucose levels will still rise to dangerous levels. If I skip exercising for one day, my levels are higher the next day. If I have an illness which causes my cortisol to rise, my blood glucose control goes out the window. That's what is considered "reversal" of the condition. And even well controlled type 2's have a higher risk of all kinds of complications.0 -
Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »I have what may be somewhat of an ignorant question on the topic but I really want to know. So I do believe that we should not label food as "good" and "bad" but some food groups are correlated to certain diseases (ex: carbs and diabetes). I guess my question is based on what I have been hearing all my life that eating simple carbs can lead to diabetes. I know it is not that simple but I would like to know (if anyone can break if down for me) what it is beyond carbs or fats or whatever that leads to these diseases. I have known perfectly thin looking people who have gotten diabetes because all they eat is pasta and white rice, is that the main factor, that carbs are ALL they eat and not a balanced diet? This person is not overweight at all and does not eat particularly large portions. I am sorry if this is a dumb question but I have learned a lot since joining MFP and want to make sure I absorb all the knowledge I can on here
Carbs don't lead to diabetes, being fat increases the risk, and by default if someone is overweight they are eating more calories than average, which may include more calories from carbs. That's the source of the mix up.
So it's like this:
- carbs don't lead to diabetes, but having diabetes makes controlling carbs necessary
- protein doesn't lead to kidney failure, but having kidney failure makes controlling protein necessary
- fat doesn't lead to galbladder disease, but having galbladder disease makes controlling fat necessary
....and so on.
Okay that helps a lot! I guess my follow up would (if you can explain) be how a person who is not overweight or obese and never has been would develop diabetes or any other such condition?
Genetics. My niece is stick thin but has diabetes, no one on our side of the family has it. Her nan does and is very over weight. Neither give a crap about what they eat.
At work (nhs) we don't stop anyone having carbs just sugar.
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rheddmobile wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »I have what may be somewhat of an ignorant question on the topic but I really want to know. So I do believe that we should not label food as "good" and "bad" but some food groups are correlated to certain diseases (ex: carbs and diabetes). I guess my question is based on what I have been hearing all my life that eating simple carbs can lead to diabetes. I know it is not that simple but I would like to know (if anyone can break if down for me) what it is beyond carbs or fats or whatever that leads to these diseases. I have known perfectly thin looking people who have gotten diabetes because all they eat is pasta and white rice, is that the main factor, that carbs are ALL they eat and not a balanced diet? This person is not overweight at all and does not eat particularly large portions. I am sorry if this is a dumb question but I have learned a lot since joining MFP and want to make sure I absorb all the knowledge I can on here
Carbs don't lead to diabetes, being fat increases the risk, and by default if someone is overweight they are eating more calories than average, which may include more calories from carbs. That's the source of the mix up.
So it's like this:
- carbs don't lead to diabetes, but having diabetes makes controlling carbs necessary
- protein doesn't lead to kidney failure, but having kidney failure makes controlling protein necessary
- fat doesn't lead to galbladder disease, but having galbladder disease makes controlling fat necessary
....and so on.
Okay that helps a lot! I guess my follow up would (if you can explain) be how a person who is not overweight or obese and never has been would develop diabetes or any other such condition?
I have heard 2 schools of thought on this (please don't shoot the messenger here for the first theory)
1. There is a finite amount of insulin that the pancreas can produce during a person's lifetime - once that runs out, you are screwed and develop type 2 diabetes. I personally think this is crap.
2. IR (insulin resistance) develops in the body (bad diet, SAD, etc.), so the body produces more insulin to deal with the glucose in the blood, and IR is cumulative - i.e. it just gets worse as time goes by, so eventually the pancreas cannot produce enough insulin to handle all of the glucose and bam, you have type 2 diabetes. This is the more reasonable and scientific answer and the one that I subscribe to.
Number 1 would be crap because "the pancreas not producing insulin anymore" would be type 1.
And number 2 is reversible.
Yeah, this isn't really valid. I have "reversed" my diabetes in the sense that I have lost 100 lbs, and now have normal A1c levels and manage using diet and exercise. That doesn't mean I'm no longer diabetic. If I eat more than 45g of carbs at a sitting, my glucose levels will still rise to dangerous levels. If I skip exercising for one day, my levels are higher the next day. If I have an illness which causes my cortisol to rise, my blood glucose control goes out the window. That's what is considered "reversal" of the condition. And even well controlled type 2's have a higher risk of all kinds of complications.
True, but in contrast to type 1, you can manage type 2 just by lifestyle with little to no medications. There's no lifestyle choices I know of that make insulin in your blood unnecessary.1 -
Then I like Satan.TeinyWinehausen wrote: »Bread is the devil.
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(I love freshly baked bread).
http://www.saveur.com/article/Recipes/Four-Hour-Baguette
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heavens no, bread is fine.0
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Carbohydrates turn into sugar in your mouth, simple carbs or refined ingredients are the worst. Carbs aren't so bad in vegetables also known as complex carbs. Your body can burn sugar or fat simple carbs turn into sugar immediately29
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Carbohydrates turn into sugar in your mouth, simple carbs or refined ingredients are the worst. Carbs aren't so bad in vegetables also known as complex carbs. Your body can burn sugar or fat simple carbs turn into sugar immediately
Bread is a complex carbohydrate.
Anyway, if my body can burn sugar or fat, then eating sugar provides me with something my body can burn. What's the problem?7 -
Carbohydrates turn into sugar in your mouth, simple carbs or refined ingredients are the worst. Carbs aren't so bad in vegetables also known as complex carbs. Your body can burn sugar or fat simple carbs turn into sugar immediately
All carbohydrates are digested/metabolized into simple sugars.1 -
Nope. Bread really isn't bad.
Unless it's bad bread. Mold is gross.7 -
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Carbohydrates turn into sugar in your mouth, simple carbs or refined ingredients are the worst. Carbs aren't so bad in vegetables also known as complex carbs. Your body can burn sugar or fat simple carbs turn into sugar immediately
All carbohydrates are converted into simple sugars when digested (not in your mouth)...complex and simple carbs alike. Your body can burn both sugar and fat. When you're in a calorie deficit, you are going to burn fat regardless of whether or not you eat carbs.
Also, bread is a complex carb...so is pasta, potatoes, rice, oats, cereal, corn, etc...5 -
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Ericnutrition wrote: »
Are you saying bread is bread? It's not. It's kind of saying like a book is a book (say trash novel and the bible).
From Dr. Google - "Not all bread is created equal, however. Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates. The latter contains more nutrients such as heart-healthy fiber."
Dr. Google.9 -
Are you saying bread is bread? It's not. It's kind of saying like a book is a book (say trash novel and the bible).
From Dr. Google - "Not all bread is created equal, however. Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates. The latter contains more nutrients such as heart-healthy fiber."
I'm not saying all bread is created equal from a nutritional standpoint...I'm saying bread is a complex carbohydrate like all starches...refined flour is still a refined starch...ie it's a complex carbohydrate. Would I personally eat Rainbow white bread or some such thing? No...it wouldn't do anything for me...and I'm pretty nutrition conscious, so you're barking up the wrong tree there bruh...
I think you should maybe change your username if you don't understand something as basic as starches are complex carbohydrates...
Oh, and a book is a book...a trash novel is still a novel...it's still a book...and the bible is a lot of nice fairy tales...but still a book.11 -
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Ericnutrition wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Are you saying bread is bread? It's not. It's kind of saying like a book is a book (say trash novel and the bible).
From Dr. Google - "Not all bread is created equal, however. Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates. The latter contains more nutrients such as heart-healthy fiber."
I'm saying bread is a complex carbohydrate...
"Not all bread is created equal, however. Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates. The latter contains more nutrients such as heart-healthy fiber."
I did not make this up.
But if you want to say a book is a book, then I guess you can say bread is bread, or a house is a house.
Right, "Dr. Google" made that up. It's still wrong, unless you're making your bread with sugar instead of flour.5 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Are you saying bread is bread? It's not. It's kind of saying like a book is a book (say trash novel and the bible).
From Dr. Google - "Not all bread is created equal, however. Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates. The latter contains more nutrients such as heart-healthy fiber."
I'm saying bread is a complex carbohydrate...
"Not all bread is created equal, however. Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates. The latter contains more nutrients such as heart-healthy fiber."
I did not make this up.
But if you want to say a book is a book, then I guess you can say bread is bread, or a house is a house.
You didn't make it up, but it isn't accurate.
Simple carbohydrates, from a nutritional POV, are fructose, sucrose, and lactose. That means they're in fruit, vegetables, and milk. Foods made from refined grains (like white bread or pasta) are still complex carbohydrates (although they can have simple carbohydrates added to them sometimes).
Not all bread is nutritionally equal, but that doesn't mean that it can be sorted easily into piles of simple and complex carbohydrates.
There's a lot of information out there about nutrition. Take the time to find accurate stuff instead of the first things that pop up on Google.
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Ericnutrition wrote: »
I did not make this up.
But if you want to say a book is a book, then I guess you can say bread is bread, or a house is a house.
So you don't think a starch is a complex carbohydrate? White bread generally contains more added sugar which is a simple carbohydrate...but a starch, whether it's refined or not is still a complex carbohydrate...because it's a starch...
Also, while fruit does contain some fiber, it is primarily a simple carbohydrate...but nobody ever seems to get particularly worked up about that...
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »
I did not make this up.
But if you want to say a book is a book, then I guess you can say bread is bread, or a house is a house.
So you don't think a starch is a complex carbohydrate? White bread generally contains more added sugar which is a simple carbohydrate...but a starch, whether it's refined or not is still a complex carbohydrate...because it's a starch...
Also, while fruit does contain some fiber, it is primarily a simple carbohydrate...but nobody ever seems to get particularly worked up about that...
People assume "simple" means bad and then proceed to attach "simple" to less nutritious sources of carbs (or otherwise carbs they consider bad).
Could be worse, once someone insisted a potato was a refined version of a sweet potato.
It's still annoying and wrong, of course.
Nothing wrong with foods that contain simple carbs (i.e., sugars), but some are more nutritious than others.
Also, nothing wrong with foods that contain complex carbs (like potatoes and pasta and, yes, bread), but some versions of these foods (or meals involving these foods) are more nutritious than others.
Seems clear enough to me.7 -
Nope. Grains are not bad0
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Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »I did not make this up.
You certain about that...?
Have you ever used Google? Try it.
Seen the pages Google has taken you to. It's not helping.3 -
Let me introduce you to google scholar.5
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Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »I did not make this up.
You certain about that...?
Have you ever used Google? Try it.
Hahahahahaha! Google! Hahahahahaha!5 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »I did not make this up.
You certain about that...?
Have you ever used Google? Try it.
You believe everything you pull up via Google search? Bless your heart.10
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