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Lean59man
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The keto info in this book is flawed.
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I'm not really sure why this thread is created.. are you using it to convince more people that keto is the way to success?1
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I'm not really sure why this thread is created.. are you using it to convince more people that keto is the way to success?
Opposite, apparently. But he's using something written by someone that doesn't quite know what they're talking about, so used ad hominem attacks to try to say how bad keto is.1 -
Oh.. Lol I have my own feelings on keto but I guess I'm not really allowed to express them since my last comment was edited.
But whatever I guess people can do whatever they want.1 -
Just food for thought folks.
Believe in whatever god you want.2 -
It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.0
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I'm not the biggest fan of super restrictive types of keto, but the posters saying that the information regarding keto in this book is flawed are correct.
If one wants to take a stance against keto, especially from the world of bodybuilding, have at it. But base it in reality.
This guy didn't seem to check his ego at the door and seemed far more interested in putting down Lyle McDonald then saying anything substantive.
Editing to add that keto can be used in bodybuilding if carbs are added in properly timed intervals around training schedules.3 -
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Keto is unnecessary unless you have health issues related to carbs, undisciplined with carbs, you have a photo shoot, job or whatever that requires you to lose weight fast in a short amount of time or if you simply just enjoy that type of diet. If you do keto simply because you think it's superior to any other diet... you are wrong, no diet is king...the only thing that matters in the end is that you eat less calories than you burn to lose weight unless you have a medical issue that makes losing fat harder than the rest of the population. In that case, you listen to your doctor's advice.
It's too bad the guy writing the book didn't say anything like this.
Some day for kicks and giggles, I'll have to take a gander at some of the other sections to see if they're as off as the keto section is.2 -
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It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.
LOL the book written by Atkins Foundation funded "scientists" LOL ok. The delusion is real. Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol4 -
russelljam08 wrote: »Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol
Jimmy Moore has never been the face of Atkins except perhaps in his wettest dreams. Eating any and every "low carb" junk food that ever made it to the consumer market is not "doing Atkins". Plus, he's a charlatan who pads his own reviews/website comments by taking editorial rights with them.0 -
russelljam08 wrote: »It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.
LOL the book written by Atkins Foundation funded "scientists" LOL ok. The delusion is real. Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol
You seem to be very anti-keto. Perhaps consider skipping these threads?
Phinney and Volek are prolific researchers in the low carb and ketogenic diets. To me it sort of makes sense that they added their knowledge to the last rewrite of the Atkins book. Who would you have preferred? Ornish?
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Don't tell me what to do. Volek was DESTROYED by Alan Aragon in a debate a few years ago and was left DUMBFOUNDED. One of Volek's underlings got fired from the University of Tampa for FALSIFYING data. Take the blinders offrusselljam08 wrote: »It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.
LOL the book written by Atkins Foundation funded "scientists" LOL ok. The delusion is real. Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol
You seem to be very anti-keto. Perhaps consider skipping these threads?
Phinney and Volek are prolific researchers in the low carb and ketogenic diets. To me it sort of makes sense that they added their knowledge to the last rewrite of the Atkins book. Who would you have preferred? Ornish?3 -
grinning_chick wrote: »russelljam08 wrote: »Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol
Jimmy Moore has never been the face of Atkins except perhaps in his wettest dreams. Eating any and every "low carb" junk food that ever made it to the consumer market is not "doing Atkins". Plus, he's a charlatan who pads his own reviews/website comments by taking editorial rights with them.
Jimmy Moore is the "gut" of keto..lol1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Keto is unnecessary unless you have health issues related to carbs, undisciplined with carbs, you have a photo shoot, job or whatever that requires you to lose weight fast in a short amount of time or if you simply just enjoy that type of diet. If you do keto simply because you think it's superior to any other diet... you are wrong, no diet is king...the only thing that matters in the end is that you eat less calories than you burn to lose weight unless you have a medical issue that makes losing fat harder than the rest of the population. In that case, you listen to your doctor's advice.
It's too bad the guy writing the book didn't say anything like this.
Some day for kicks and giggles, I'll have to take a gander at some of the other sections to see if they're as off as the keto section is.
Honestly, I noticed people fall in love too much with their diet that science goes out the window. Nutrition is so easy...the problem is us as human beings, we like to make things more difficult for absolutely no reason other than emotions.
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russelljam08 wrote: »
Don't tell me what to do. Volek was DESTROYED by Alan Aragon in a debate a few years ago and was left DUMBFOUNDED. One of Volek's underlings got fired from the University of Tampa for FALSIFYING data. Take the blinders offrusselljam08 wrote: »It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.
LOL the book written by Atkins Foundation funded "scientists" LOL ok. The delusion is real. Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol
You seem to be very anti-keto. Perhaps consider skipping these threads?
Phinney and Volek are prolific researchers in the low carb and ketogenic diets. To me it sort of makes sense that they added their knowledge to the last rewrite of the Atkins book. Who would you have preferred? Ornish?
It was more of a politely worded suggestion.
I think it was Taubes who went to a debate with Aragon, who then asked the lifting audience who they would rather have train them. No brainer there.
I have not seen the events you mentioned. If what you say is true, one unethical and dishonest person does not make a way of eating invalid. Vogel is an expert in the field. As I said, it makes sense for him to write in this area and not on some other duet like veganism.0 -
maybe i should read the thingie.. lol i can't follow the conversation anymore0
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It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.
I'd agree this is a good source. I don't at all think keto is necessary (and I am not keto-ing, for various reasons), and I would not agree that the Jimmy Moore books are good sources (I think it's sad so many people think they need to do his macros which are too low in protein and don't get why he's supposed to be some authority in anything). But the Phinney/Volek book seemed like a good basic reference.0 -
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russelljam08 wrote: »
Don't tell me what to do. Volek was DESTROYED by Alan Aragon in a debate a few years ago and was left DUMBFOUNDED. One of Volek's underlings got fired from the University of Tampa for FALSIFYING data. Take the blinders offrusselljam08 wrote: »It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.
LOL the book written by Atkins Foundation funded "scientists" LOL ok. The delusion is real. Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol
You seem to be very anti-keto. Perhaps consider skipping these threads?
Phinney and Volek are prolific researchers in the low carb and ketogenic diets. To me it sort of makes sense that they added their knowledge to the last rewrite of the Atkins book. Who would you have preferred? Ornish?
It was more of a politely worded suggestion.
I think it was Taubes who went to a debate with Aragon, who then asked the lifting audience who they would rather have train them. No brainer there.
I have not seen the events you mentioned. If what you say is true, one unethical and dishonest person does not make a way of eating invalid. Vogel is an expert in the field. As I said, it makes sense for him to write in this area and not on some other duet like veganism.
To be fair, Alan Aragon is the most respected guy in the fitness and science industry, when he says something, he doesn't say it without backing it up.
Aragon knows his stuff. I was just diappointed that he took that dig at Taubes.... It was one of the only parts of the debate I could find online too.
Taubes is a writer, a good writer who has found some interesting topics, but he is no researcher.0 -
russelljam08 wrote: »
Don't tell me what to do. Volek was DESTROYED by Alan Aragon in a debate a few years ago and was left DUMBFOUNDED. One of Volek's underlings got fired from the University of Tampa for FALSIFYING data. Take the blinders offrusselljam08 wrote: »It really did not make a lot of sense to me either. Try The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for a really good keto and low carb book.
LOL the book written by Atkins Foundation funded "scientists" LOL ok. The delusion is real. Jimmy Moore was looking "slim" in his latest pics lol
You seem to be very anti-keto. Perhaps consider skipping these threads?
Phinney and Volek are prolific researchers in the low carb and ketogenic diets. To me it sort of makes sense that they added their knowledge to the last rewrite of the Atkins book. Who would you have preferred? Ornish?
It was more of a politely worded suggestion.
I think it was Taubes who went to a debate with Aragon, who then asked the lifting audience who they would rather have train them. No brainer there.
I have not seen the events you mentioned. If what you say is true, one unethical and dishonest person does not make a way of eating invalid. Vogel is an expert in the field. As I said, it makes sense for him to write in this area and not on some other duet like veganism.
To be fair, Alan Aragon is the most respected guy in the fitness and science industry, when he says something, he doesn't say it without backing it up.
Aragon knows his stuff. I was just diappointed that he took that dig at Taubes.... It was one of the only parts of the debate I could find online too.
Taubes is a writer, a good writer who has found some interesting topics, but he is no researcher.
Exactly. And he is essentially the equivalent of those who demonized fats back in the day.4 -
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I have in fact seen Alan defend keto in a direct "debate" against some bro from Twitter. They took it to Facebook. Alan thinks it can be as useful a diet as any for some people based on preference, IIRC.
To be fair, the bro was punching way above his weight taking on Aragon. And the guy was very wrong about how awful keto was.
It just went to show how even-handed Alan is and that he sticks to science.2 -
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I always read it as Quite *kitten* True...Lol...1
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