CICO the lastest fad diet
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Where is the writer getting that CICO is a diet fad from? Is there are study or survey or "All Cake CICO diet plan" book they can point to? Or are they just annoyed by a couple of people they know who insist they can eat dessert and still lose weight while they know you have to suck down green smoothies and eat tons of plain chicken and eggs?
There are certainly people who do not particularly care about long term health when losing weight. They just want to be a number on the scale, fit a dress or look good in a swimsuit in a month. There are people who understand weight loss is about calories and restrict below the recommended minimums to get faster losses and don't care about nutritional goals much. It is kind of like people abusing drugs or something. They know it could be bad for them someday but don't care.
I think the article hit the "you should eat nutritious foods and exercise too" idea but tried to make it seem too much like weight management through calories was less important to health than nutrition long term. I don't think the article convinced me that is the case with the way it was written. If some studies had been cited it might have been more convincing than quotes from nutritionists or dieticians.
CICO is not a fad diet. It is a formula describing weight management. You have to adjust your CICO to meet whatever weight goal you have.
You can lose weight in a healthy way. You can lose weight in an unhealthy way. Both require a calorie deficit.
Weight management is a big part of health. Nutrition and exercise are pretty important for other aspects of health and satisfaction.
Eating enough calories and a variety of foods from all the food groups is a damn good idea if you want to be healthy. Cake should not make up the bulk of your calories daily- particularly if your calorie goal is 1200 calories.
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When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.14 -
Where is the writer getting that CICO is a diet fad from? Is there are study or survey or "All Cake CICO diet plan" book they can point to? Or are they just annoyed by a couple of people they know who insist they can eat dessert and still lose weight while they know you have to suck down green smoothies and eat tons of plain chicken and eggs?
There are certainly people who do not particularly care about long term health when losing weight. They just want to be a number on the scale, fit a dress or look good in a swimsuit in a month. There are people who understand weight loss is about calories and restrict below the recommended minimums to get faster losses and don't care about nutritional goals much. It is kind of like people abusing drugs or something. They know it could be bad for them someday but don't care.
I think the article hit the "you should eat nutritious foods and exercise too" idea but tried to make it seem too much like weight management through calories was less important to health than nutrition long term. I don't think the article convinced me that is the case with the way it was written. If some studies had been cited it might have been more convincing than quotes from nutritionists or dieticians.
CICO is not a fad diet. It is a formula describing weight management. You have to adjust your CICO to meet whatever weight goal you have.
You can lose weight in a healthy way. You can lose weight in an unhealthy way. Both require a calorie deficit.
Weight management is a big part of health. Nutrition and exercise are pretty important for other aspects of health and satisfaction.
Eating enough calories and a variety of foods from all the food groups is a damn good idea if you want to be healthy. Cake should not make up the bulk of your calories daily- particularly if your calorie goal is 1200 calories.
I think it's all this nonsense:
http://www.health.com/weight-loss/cico-diet
https://www.today.com/health/could-cico-diet-calories-calories-out-help-you-lose-weight-t119599
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-cico-diet-2017-11
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/11/12/most-popular-weight-loss-diet-on-reddit-would-never-be-recommended-by-nutritionists.html
Apparently they aren't just talking CICO, they are talking about 'the CiCo Diet' and the assumption is that when told to eat what we want, we will all want to eat nothing but junk food.2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Where is the writer getting that CICO is a diet fad from? Is there are study or survey or "All Cake CICO diet plan" book they can point to? Or are they just annoyed by a couple of people they know who insist they can eat dessert and still lose weight while they know you have to suck down green smoothies and eat tons of plain chicken and eggs?
There are certainly people who do not particularly care about long term health when losing weight. They just want to be a number on the scale, fit a dress or look good in a swimsuit in a month. There are people who understand weight loss is about calories and restrict below the recommended minimums to get faster losses and don't care about nutritional goals much. It is kind of like people abusing drugs or something. They know it could be bad for them someday but don't care.
I think the article hit the "you should eat nutritious foods and exercise too" idea but tried to make it seem too much like weight management through calories was less important to health than nutrition long term. I don't think the article convinced me that is the case with the way it was written. If some studies had been cited it might have been more convincing than quotes from nutritionists or dieticians.
CICO is not a fad diet. It is a formula describing weight management. You have to adjust your CICO to meet whatever weight goal you have.
You can lose weight in a healthy way. You can lose weight in an unhealthy way. Both require a calorie deficit.
Weight management is a big part of health. Nutrition and exercise are pretty important for other aspects of health and satisfaction.
Eating enough calories and a variety of foods from all the food groups is a damn good idea if you want to be healthy. Cake should not make up the bulk of your calories daily- particularly if your calorie goal is 1200 calories.
I think it's all this nonsense:
http://www.health.com/weight-loss/cico-diet
https://www.today.com/health/could-cico-diet-calories-calories-out-help-you-lose-weight-t119599
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-cico-diet-2017-11
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/11/12/most-popular-weight-loss-diet-on-reddit-would-never-be-recommended-by-nutritionists.html
Apparently they aren't just talking CICO, they are talking about 'the CiCo Diet' and the assumption is that when told to eat what we want, we will all want to eat nothing but junk food.
I'm not one to wear tin foil hats, but I really have to question exactly what or who is behind this spate of articles taking this slant.12 -
And none of them seem to have a comments section...
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Where is the writer getting that CICO is a diet fad from? Is there are study or survey or "All Cake CICO diet plan" book they can point to? Or are they just annoyed by a couple of people they know who insist they can eat dessert and still lose weight while they know you have to suck down green smoothies and eat tons of plain chicken and eggs?
There are certainly people who do not particularly care about long term health when losing weight. They just want to be a number on the scale, fit a dress or look good in a swimsuit in a month. There are people who understand weight loss is about calories and restrict below the recommended minimums to get faster losses and don't care about nutritional goals much. It is kind of like people abusing drugs or something. They know it could be bad for them someday but don't care.
I think the article hit the "you should eat nutritious foods and exercise too" idea but tried to make it seem too much like weight management through calories was less important to health than nutrition long term. I don't think the article convinced me that is the case with the way it was written. If some studies had been cited it might have been more convincing than quotes from nutritionists or dieticians.
CICO is not a fad diet. It is a formula describing weight management. You have to adjust your CICO to meet whatever weight goal you have.
You can lose weight in a healthy way. You can lose weight in an unhealthy way. Both require a calorie deficit.
Weight management is a big part of health. Nutrition and exercise are pretty important for other aspects of health and satisfaction.
Eating enough calories and a variety of foods from all the food groups is a damn good idea if you want to be healthy. Cake should not make up the bulk of your calories daily- particularly if your calorie goal is 1200 calories.
I think it's all this nonsense:
http://www.health.com/weight-loss/cico-diet
https://www.today.com/health/could-cico-diet-calories-calories-out-help-you-lose-weight-t119599
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-cico-diet-2017-11
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/11/12/most-popular-weight-loss-diet-on-reddit-would-never-be-recommended-by-nutritionists.html
Apparently they aren't just talking CICO, they are talking about 'the CiCo Diet' and the assumption is that when told to eat what we want, we will all want to eat nothing but junk food.
I'm not one to wear tin foil hats, but I really have to question exactly what or who is behind this spate of articles taking this slant.
I don't know if it started there, but it seems to be all the rage on Reddit.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Where is the writer getting that CICO is a diet fad from? Is there are study or survey or "All Cake CICO diet plan" book they can point to? Or are they just annoyed by a couple of people they know who insist they can eat dessert and still lose weight while they know you have to suck down green smoothies and eat tons of plain chicken and eggs?
There are certainly people who do not particularly care about long term health when losing weight. They just want to be a number on the scale, fit a dress or look good in a swimsuit in a month. There are people who understand weight loss is about calories and restrict below the recommended minimums to get faster losses and don't care about nutritional goals much. It is kind of like people abusing drugs or something. They know it could be bad for them someday but don't care.
I think the article hit the "you should eat nutritious foods and exercise too" idea but tried to make it seem too much like weight management through calories was less important to health than nutrition long term. I don't think the article convinced me that is the case with the way it was written. If some studies had been cited it might have been more convincing than quotes from nutritionists or dieticians.
CICO is not a fad diet. It is a formula describing weight management. You have to adjust your CICO to meet whatever weight goal you have.
You can lose weight in a healthy way. You can lose weight in an unhealthy way. Both require a calorie deficit.
Weight management is a big part of health. Nutrition and exercise are pretty important for other aspects of health and satisfaction.
Eating enough calories and a variety of foods from all the food groups is a damn good idea if you want to be healthy. Cake should not make up the bulk of your calories daily- particularly if your calorie goal is 1200 calories.
I think it's all this nonsense:
http://www.health.com/weight-loss/cico-diet
https://www.today.com/health/could-cico-diet-calories-calories-out-help-you-lose-weight-t119599
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-cico-diet-2017-11
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/11/12/most-popular-weight-loss-diet-on-reddit-would-never-be-recommended-by-nutritionists.html
Apparently they aren't just talking CICO, they are talking about 'the CiCo Diet' and the assumption is that when told to eat what we want, we will all want to eat nothing but junk food.
I'm not one to wear tin foil hats, but I really have to question exactly what or who is behind this spate of articles taking this slant.
I don't know if it started there, but it seems to be all the rage on Reddit.
Reddit for having the silly take that CICO is a fad diet?
I meant the spate of articles that hit the blogs. That's what I was wondering about. They all seemed the same. Sometimes the nutritionist was different, but they all had the same general drift.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Where is the writer getting that CICO is a diet fad from? Is there are study or survey or "All Cake CICO diet plan" book they can point to? Or are they just annoyed by a couple of people they know who insist they can eat dessert and still lose weight while they know you have to suck down green smoothies and eat tons of plain chicken and eggs?
There are certainly people who do not particularly care about long term health when losing weight. They just want to be a number on the scale, fit a dress or look good in a swimsuit in a month. There are people who understand weight loss is about calories and restrict below the recommended minimums to get faster losses and don't care about nutritional goals much. It is kind of like people abusing drugs or something. They know it could be bad for them someday but don't care.
I think the article hit the "you should eat nutritious foods and exercise too" idea but tried to make it seem too much like weight management through calories was less important to health than nutrition long term. I don't think the article convinced me that is the case with the way it was written. If some studies had been cited it might have been more convincing than quotes from nutritionists or dieticians.
CICO is not a fad diet. It is a formula describing weight management. You have to adjust your CICO to meet whatever weight goal you have.
You can lose weight in a healthy way. You can lose weight in an unhealthy way. Both require a calorie deficit.
Weight management is a big part of health. Nutrition and exercise are pretty important for other aspects of health and satisfaction.
Eating enough calories and a variety of foods from all the food groups is a damn good idea if you want to be healthy. Cake should not make up the bulk of your calories daily- particularly if your calorie goal is 1200 calories.
I think it's all this nonsense:
http://www.health.com/weight-loss/cico-diet
https://www.today.com/health/could-cico-diet-calories-calories-out-help-you-lose-weight-t119599
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-cico-diet-2017-11
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/11/12/most-popular-weight-loss-diet-on-reddit-would-never-be-recommended-by-nutritionists.html
Apparently they aren't just talking CICO, they are talking about 'the CiCo Diet' and the assumption is that when told to eat what we want, we will all want to eat nothing but junk food.
I'm not one to wear tin foil hats, but I really have to question exactly what or who is behind this spate of articles taking this slant.
I don't know if it started there, but it seems to be all the rage on Reddit.
Reddit for having the silly take that CICO is a fad diet?
I meant the spate of articles that hit the blogs. That's what I was wondering about. They all seemed the same. Sometimes the nutritionist was different, but they all had the same general drift.
OIC I have no idea.0 -
The entire article is untrue. CICO is not a fad, nor is it a diet. CICO is not defined by any authoritative body.
CICO is loosely defined as describing a model where the calories being consumed is being compared to the calories being expended and expelled.3 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I got called a liar on another MFP discussion for saying there's people that just count calories and disregard nutrition.
And the author of this article is as confused on the subject as you are.
" Sandon pointed out that "canned diet plans rarely work and are hard to stick with."
Instead, she advocates forgoing the "quick-fix mentality" in favor of a long-term resolution to embrace a "combination of healthy eating and exercise."
For example, Sandon said, "Reduce calories by cutting back on portion sizes or use pre-portioned foods, such as frozen meals, to cut back on total food intake.""
Pretty much the standard advice given here.
Different person quoted
""Severely restricting calories or food groups, along with rapid weight loss, are likely to backfire for many reasons, and the dieter will be left feeling frustrated," she added."
Again, this seems to be the tone of those promoting calorie counting.
I'm not confused at all. I was just told previously "Literally no one on earth tracks CICO and ignores nutrition" and that's not true. I'm totally on board with CICO being a surefire way to lose weight; no argument there.
Literally no-one said that. It was said there are a few people that will do that but that is not what is advocated here on MFP by so called veteran posters when the question comes up.
Edit to add: even for those who really do only pay attention to calories, they're not devoid of any nutritional value in their food. Not many people dropping dead from nutritional deficiencies but plenty are from obesity. Pick your poison.5 -
liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.
4.6 percent of the US population (over 12 yo) has hypothyroidism3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.
4.6 percent of the US population (over 12 yo) has hypothyroidism
Treated vs untreated? And it makes something like 5% difference to caloric needs when untreated. If levels are regulated then it makes no difference.3 -
VintageFeline wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.
Yes, there is.
Leptin and insulin resistance are very common in obese people.
Low testosterone and PCOS are fairly common.
These things don't keep people from losing weight altogether but certainly can make it slower.
Leptin drops when you lose weight which can decrease thyroid function and increase muscle efficiency so your BMR drops quite a bir. It's one of the causes of plateaus.10 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.
4.6 percent of the US population (over 12 yo) has hypothyroidism
Treated vs untreated? And it makes something like 5% difference to caloric needs when untreated. If levels are regulated then it makes no difference.
Not exactly true, but yes, treatment is key. As with most diseases for which there is a treatment.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.
4.6 percent of the US population (over 12 yo) has hypothyroidism
And the percentage who have hypothyroidism to the point that it's an impact to weightloss is likely statistically insignificant.4 -
liftingbro wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.
Yes, there is.
Leptin and insulin resistance are very common in obese people.
Low testosterone and PCOS are fairly common.
These things don't keep people from losing weight altogether but certainly can make it slower.
Leptin drops when you lose weight which can decrease thyroid function and increase muscle efficiency so your BMR drops quite a bir. It's one of the causes of plateaus.
Go read the refeeds and diet breaks thread.
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Re hypothyroid, wouldn't the solution be to be medicated, not to eat a specific diet? Of course, if a doctor suggested a particular diet as a help for controlling it, I'd do it, but I see that as a medical issue, not a basis for saying CICO is false or a calorie deficit is a bad approach to weight loss.
Re leptin, leptin resistance is not, to my knowledge helped by changing the diet. It IS helped by exercising.
Re insulin, it doesn't affect weight loss, although it might affect hunger/energy (same with leptin, actually, the concern is affect on hunger). Eating foods that are satiating is something recommended by everyone and people should experiment to see what works for them. IR tends to go away for a huge percentage of people with weight loss.
Low T, I wouldn't know, I'm a woman, I probably naturally have low T, and I lost fine.
PCOS is an issue when it goes along with IR, as it often (not always) does. As for IR, see above.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »When I talked about hormones earlier it may have confused some.
Having a hormone imbalance doesn't invalidate the basic principles of calories in, calories out. What hormone imbalacesdo is changes the math. Because of an imbalance you may need to eat less to lose weight or you may store calories as fat easier. Calories still matter but knowing how many you burn gets way more tricky with an imbalance.
Is there a statistically significant percentage of the population with hormonal issues so pronounced that it is significantly impacting weight loss? I see it come up a lot in the forums when people want to push back about the simplicity of CICO (whether you agree with it or not) from some quarters but never see this extrapolate to the real world.
Yes, there is.
Leptin and insulin resistance are very common in obese people.
Low testosterone and PCOS are fairly common.
These things don't keep people from losing weight altogether but certainly can make it slower.
Leptin drops when you lose weight which can decrease thyroid function and increase muscle efficiency so your BMR drops quite a bir. It's one of the causes of plateaus.
Go read the refeeds and diet breaks thread.
Yes! Refeeds can help leptin levels.3 -
When people view any issue in only black and white terms they miss the bigger picture. I think people just starting might realize that if that eat a lot of sugar one time and it fills up their calories for the day and they get hungry later that maybe reducing the portion of sugar is a better idea. They learn what foods satiate them and learn portion control by learning what 100 calories of something looks like. Everything is a fad diet if you don't learn from it and don't incorporate it into a lifelong maintenance plan.8
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