Its day 3 of detox
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Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
Correct.
And if ACV melted fat there would be a shortage, and if you could find some it'd be 50 dollars a jug.
ETA: using ACV as an example, it's just as much woo as detoxing...2 -
Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
It's not that obvious because you're doing this weird detox thing. If you know a balanced diet is key then why aren't you doing that instead?10 -
If you are enjoying it, that's great and all, but you don't "detox" from dairy, meat, or bread.
I think going without meat or dairy for a period of time can be useful if you think you overconsume those foods (I regularly give up meat or animal products in general (food only) for periods of time, mostly for religious reasons (like Lent), but I think it can be helpful in understanding that you don't need to rely on them and broadening your choices. Ideally you will understand how to get protein without them).
For bread, sure, whatever. Seems kind of a random thing to pick, but maybe if you tend to rely on it a lot.0 -
ladyhusker39 wrote: »Lol no troll just doing new things. What I think is interesting is how people can give advice or suggestions and ridicule without knowing the person or situation. Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
It's not that obvious because you're doing this weird detox thing. If you know a balanced diet is key then why aren't you doing that instead?
I've found most people who do detoxes are impatient. They may know they have to start eating right, but they see "Lose forty pounds in a month!" and want that instead, not realizing that 90% of that is going to be water weight that they can easily gain back.4 -
kristen8000 wrote: »Why do people do this to themselves? Ok, then what happens after 90 days. You are cured and just know how to eat to maintain or lose?
Yeah, I think this is the dream, and agree with you that it's not realistic.
People think they can do something dramatic for a short period of time and then never have to worry about it again, they will just magically not want to overeat ever.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »If you are enjoying it, that's great and all, but you don't "detox" from dairy, meat, or bread.
I think going without meat or dairy for a period of time can be useful if you think you overconsume those foods (I regularly give up meat or animal products in general (food only) for periods of time, mostly for religious reasons (like Lent), but I think it can be helpful in understanding that you don't need to rely on them and broadening your choices. Ideally you will understand how to get protein without them).
For bread, sure, whatever. Seems kind of a random thing to pick, but maybe if you tend to rely on it a lot.
I choose to eat very little bread because frankly I think it's not delicious enough to justify the calories. Unless it's something yummy from Panera or some kind of home made delicacy, I usually pass. LOL3 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »If you are enjoying it, that's great and all, but you don't "detox" from dairy, meat, or bread.
I think going without meat or dairy for a period of time can be useful if you think you overconsume those foods (I regularly give up meat or animal products in general (food only) for periods of time, mostly for religious reasons (like Lent), but I think it can be helpful in understanding that you don't need to rely on them and broadening your choices. Ideally you will understand how to get protein without them).
For bread, sure, whatever. Seems kind of a random thing to pick, but maybe if you tend to rely on it a lot.
I choose to eat very little bread because frankly I think it's not delicious enough to justify the calories. Unless it's something yummy from Panera or some kind of home made delicacy, I usually pass. LOL
That makes perfect sense. I have foods like that as well.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »If you are enjoying it, that's great and all, but you don't "detox" from dairy, meat, or bread.
I think going without meat or dairy for a period of time can be useful if you think you overconsume those foods (I regularly give up meat or animal products in general (food only) for periods of time, mostly for religious reasons (like Lent), but I think it can be helpful in understanding that you don't need to rely on them and broadening your choices. Ideally you will understand how to get protein without them).
For bread, sure, whatever. Seems kind of a random thing to pick, but maybe if you tend to rely on it a lot.
I choose to eat very little bread because frankly I think it's not delicious enough to justify the calories. Unless it's something yummy from Panera or some kind of home made delicacy, I usually pass. LOL
I'm exactly the same. If someone makes bread (or if I do -- I haven't for ages but keep thinking it might be fun, oh dear), I'll want it, and naan I make room for if I go out for Indian, and there's one sandwich place locally that does a delicious sandwich on bread I like that I have every couple of months, but beyond that it's rarely worth the calories for me (so I often go weeks without bread).
I eat pasta much more, though, and it is pretty much identical to bread (nutritionally, in terms of what one would "detox" from, I guess). ;-) I also eat oats and some other grains more often.2 -
Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
Have you ever thought of the possibility that there are so many overweight people because they think it's harder than it actually is? For example cutting out multiple food groups as a "radical" "jumpstart"...26 -
stevencloser wrote: »Lol no troll just doing new things. What I think is interesting is how people can give advice or suggestions and ridicule without knowing the person or situation. Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
Have you ever thought of the possibility that there are so many overweight people because they think it's harder than it actually is? For example cutting out multiple food groups as a "radical" "jumpstart"...
Now that's just crazy talk...3 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »What's the plan for day 10? Cutting out bread, dairy and meat will likely just make you lose some water weight, the second you re-introduce them you'll retain water again.
You don't need something drastic or to jump start your weight loss, you just need a calorie deficit.
Make small sustainable changes instead and you'll find that those over time will add up and you'll be able to lose the weight in a way that makes it more likely to stay off.
Plan for day 10 is phase 2, which starts to introduce meat back into the diet. Its a 90 day plan.
But then what is the point in cutting it out days 1-9? 9 days of cutting out a food is going to achieve absolutely nothing (except maybe a massive craving for a steak and disappointment at scale weight gain on day 10) and again it's a 90 day plan, what do you do after that?
Why not just eat normally in a moderate calorie deficit and gradually increase up to maintenance when you get closer to goal, doesn't that seem a little more straightforward and sustainable?
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Lol no troll just doing new things. What I think is interesting is how people can give advice or suggestions and ridicule without knowing the person or situation. Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
Don't need to know every person to know that toxic things kill people. If you're alive, nature's detox is working just fine.
People aren't trying to ridicule you, they're trying to save you money and effort that lead to a dead end.9 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »What's the plan for day 10? Cutting out bread, dairy and meat will likely just make you lose some water weight, the second you re-introduce them you'll retain water again.
You don't need something drastic or to jump start your weight loss, you just need a calorie deficit.
Make small sustainable changes instead and you'll find that those over time will add up and you'll be able to lose the weight in a way that makes it more likely to stay off.
Plan for day 10 is phase 2, which starts to introduce meat back into the diet. Its a 90 day plan.
So meat is toxic for 9 days but not toxic day 10 onwards?
Bread and dairy are toxic for more than 10 days but less than 90 days?
Sounds totally legit to me! :noway:
You do realise that you will be "smashing" water weight and not "smashing fat" don't you?
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Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
The point is that "detox" is a marketing term for "fad diet". And we all know fad diets don't work. Most just make you lose water weight that you'll gain right back. If you want to lose weight once and for all, set your goal in MFP to lose 1 lb per week, log your food accurately and consistently, use the time to learn how to eat in a way that you enjoy and are satisfied by at the right amount of calories, and move more whenever you can. That's really it. No need to cut out whole food groups or go on complicated plans or buy special products. Over restricting often leas to a rebound effect that just makes it harder in the long run. Most of the people responding to you here already wasted time with all the fads and finally lost all the weight and kept it off doing what I described. Good luck10 -
Strange, isn't it, that there is a whole "diet industry" full of some really terrible ideas and products that will not lead to a sustainable loss of weight? However, a simple CICO eating plan seems to be something some people just don't want to believe in and try, when it's the only thing that really works! OP, don't torture yourself with the "fat smash diet".6
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@DocJayDee - there is a lot of great advice on here, but in the end, you have to do what you feel is best for YOU. I know everyone is trying to be helpful, so take what you will from the advice given and keep going. Wishing you all the best in your weight loss journey.3
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Actually I think the plan I'm doing isnt that different from going plant based, vegetarian or vegan-I eat as much fruits, veggies, beans, tofu, lentils, etc, as I want. Also oatmeal, brown rice, greek yogurt & egg whites are allowed during detox as well. I'm really just on here looking for good vegetarian meal ideas that don't take forever to make.
I have also worked with a registered dietician ( my insurance covered 6 free visits and everyone should try it sometime) and I have a plan to balance carbs & protein intake after the 90 days are up that I have been successful with in the past.
Before anyone says "it obviously didn't work if the weight came back" the plan worked fine, I lost a bunch of weight, got a boyfriend who didn't want to count carbs, hated brown rice and gave me the guilt trip every time I would skip cuddle time to hit the gym on Saturday mornings. Before I knew it I was making his favorite pasta & cheese dishes, skipping the gym and netflix & chilling with a large pizza and wings.9 -
Obviously I know a balanced diet is key- but if it were that easy there would be no overweight people. Ever. The last time I told an alcoholic to just stop drinking, they laughed. Just saying.
It is that easy. It's diet fads and gimmicks like the "fat smash diet" that have made it difficult. There are overweight people because they are not following a balanced diet, but a complicated fad diet that ultimately leads to failure and a regaining of all weight that was lost.7 -
Actually I think the plan I'm doing isnt that different from going plant based, vegetarian or vegan-I eat as much fruits, veggies, beans, tofu, lentils, etc, as I want. Also oatmeal, brown rice, greek yogurt & egg whites are allowed during detox as well. I'm really just on here looking for good vegetarian meal ideas that don't take forever to make.
I have also worked with a registered dietician ( my insurance covered 6 free visits and everyone should try it sometime) and I have a plan to balance carbs & protein intake after the 90 days are up that I have been successful with in the past.
Before anyone says "it obviously didn't work if the weight came back" the plan worked fine, I lost a bunch of weight, got a boyfriend who didn't want to count carbs, hated brown rice and gave me the guilt trip every time I would skip cuddle time to hit the gym on Saturday mornings. Before I knew it I was making his favorite pasta & cheese dishes, skipping the gym and netflix & chilling with a large pizza and wings.
Veganism isn't about detoxing though, it's about something completely different. A post asking for ideas for vegetarian or vegan meals that can be made quickly would receive a whole different set of responses because it's an entirely different concept than "detoxing."
This honestly sounds more like a relationship problem or an issue with how to balance maintaining weight loss with the lifestyle and foods you like to eat than a food problem. Elimination isn't going to help you sustain weight loss if the underlying problems with how to maintain are still there.
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