Its day 3 of detox
Replies
-
To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.66 -
The difference between alcoholics and overeaters is that recovering alcoholics can and should stop drinking. Overeaters can not give up eating. It's impossible. Instead we have find a balanced and moderate approach to food. Either that or stay overweight. Severe restriction doesn't work, because inevitably, we have a strong instinct for survival and so we binge. We have to learn to avoid unmaintainable restriction and binging.
I just started here two months ago. The people here know what they're talking about, because they've successfully changed their eating patterns and lost the excess weight as well as keeping it off. I've lost 16.8 lbs and not felt deprived at all. It's so freeing to lose weight and not feel starved or deprived!
9 -
pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
Why the hate on bread? There's nothing wrong with carbohydrates (you'll be getting plenty of those if you eat the vegetables and fruits you recommend), most of it has a reasonable amount of sugar (1-2 grams per slice, which is less than many foods), and it has nutrients like B vitamins, iron, and fiber. There's nothing wrong with having some bread if you like it.
If a food is bad for you, truly toxic, then a temporary "detox" doesn't make sense. It should be avoided. That these "detoxes" are positioned as temporary underscores that there is nothing truly harmful about these foods. Some people may eat amounts of them that cause them to consume too many calories overall or that crowd out other things that they need, but this can be addressed without elimination diets or excessive restriction.13 -
pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
What is unhealthy about carbs and sugar? and if they are soooooooo bad why would you only not eat them for 9 days and then go back to eating them? We aren't being negative, we are being honest and perhaps blunt in order to try and save the OP the disappointment she will face when she struggles to achieve long-term weight loss this way, when it's really not that complicated.
If someone want's to go more plant based, vegetarian or vegan, that's fine but it's still a moderate calorie deficit over time that is required to lose weight, a lifestyle change is what is needed, not a 90 day plan.
10 -
pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
So, you've demonized all 3 macronutrients in one paragraph. What do you eat? Your body uses these macronutrients for energy. That's fats/carbs/protein.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1159755/looking-for-a-detox-cleanse/p1
Please read this link. You are wasting your money on detoxes...
13 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
What is unhealthy about carbs and sugar? and if they are soooooooo bad why would you only not eat them for 9 days and then go back to eating them? We aren't being negative, we are being honest and perhaps blunt in order to try and save the OP the disappointment she will face when she struggles to achieve long-term weight loss this way, when it's really not that complicated.
If someone want's to go more plant based, vegetarian or vegan, that's fine but it's still a moderate calorie deficit over time that is required to lose weight, a lifestyle change is what is needed, not a 90 day plan.
If carbohydrates and sugar are bad, then a diet that replaces bread with veggies and fruits (like this person is recommending) would also be bad because veggies and fruit have . . . carbohydrates and sugars.16 -
pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
What a huge steaming pile of horse manure.
Do you have any peer reviewed citations to support any of this nonsense?10 -
pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
A diet detox doesn’t exist, that’s why.
Your body detoxes all day everyday, you believe a marketing scheme, I’m sorry. If you want to eat those foods- great. HOWEVER all you need is a calorie deficit to lose weight, but knock yourself out. Unless you can do it for the rest of your life, why are you setting yourself up for failure?
OP- rinse and repeat above. Don’t make things hard. Don’t cut out anything, eat at a deficit. This isn’t rocket science guys. You have years of brainwashing you need to “detox”.
I’m new here and it’s not that hard to go through the threads and learn, or at least check to see if a topic has been posted. I’m cringing for the veterans, I really am.12 -
pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
We're not hurt, we're concerned. What's she's doing is only temporary, as OP herself admitted she's only doing it for 90 days. But what about after those 90 days when she goes back to eating the exact same way that caused her to gain 40 lbs in the first place? She'll likely start the 90 day detox again, gain and lose the same 40 lbs over and over adding more weight to her body each time she does it. It's a vicious cycle, one that won't end until she admits that the only way to lose the weight for good is to make sustainable changes. Like counting calories, and only eating what her body needs to lose or maintain her weight.
Edit: a word4 -
dinadyna21 wrote: »pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
We're not hurt, we're concerned. What's she's doing is only temporary, as OP herself admitted she's only doing it for 90 days. But what about after those 90 days when she goes back to eating the exact same way that caused her to gain 40 lbs in the first place? She'll likely start the 90 day detox again, gain and lose the same 40 lbs over and over adding more weight to her body each time she does it. It's a vicious cycle, one that won't end until she admits that the only way to lose the weight for good is to make sustainable changes. Like counting calories, and only eating what your body needs to lose or maintain her weight.
I think the reason we sometimes see a lot of concerned responses to posts like these is that many of us *know*, firsthand, how frustrating and painful it can be to be caught in a cycle of losing and regaining. Many of us have lived it and gone through elimination diets or excessive restriction followed by the frustration of "falling off the wagon" and regaining weight. So when we see people who are in the middle of it, we want to help.
It's a concern that comes from having lived it ourselves and wanting to try to help someone find something that actually works for more than a few weeks/months.16 -
janejellyroll wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »pennylove76 wrote: »To the OP, good luck! Also, I think a detox every now and then is good. Doing a detox helps to reduce cravings, bloating and makes you feel better. I am also surprised that when someone says "no bread dairy or meat" that they would get so many negative comments. Especially, since bread is pretty much bad for you. It's high in carbs, sugar, not nutritional. Even if you choose wheat bread, it's likely made with Monsanto seeds. Also dairy (especially milk) has been shown to have so many hormones and according to many studies should not even be consumed. Heck many people are lactose intolerant and get sick from it anyway. Finally meat is so over eaten and the WHO has classified most meat as a carcinogen.
So tell me again why taking a break or "detox" away from these items and instead replacing them with veggies, fruits and lean proteins is bad? It's still reducing the total number of calories. Also, why so many negative responses. You all are acting like you are personally hurt because she chose to do a detox.
We're not hurt, we're concerned. What's she's doing is only temporary, as OP herself admitted she's only doing it for 90 days. But what about after those 90 days when she goes back to eating the exact same way that caused her to gain 40 lbs in the first place? She'll likely start the 90 day detox again, gain and lose the same 40 lbs over and over adding more weight to her body each time she does it. It's a vicious cycle, one that won't end until she admits that the only way to lose the weight for good is to make sustainable changes. Like counting calories, and only eating what your body needs to lose or maintain her weight.
I think the reason we sometimes see a lot of concerned responses to posts like these is that many of us *know*, firsthand, how frustrating and painful it can be to be caught in a cycle of losing and regaining. Many of us have lived it and gone through elimination diets or excessive restriction followed by the frustration of "falling off the wagon" and regaining weight. So when we see people who are in the middle of it, we want to help.
It's a concern that comes from having lived it ourselves and wanting to try to help someone find something that actually works for more than a few weeks/months.
You're right, I was stuck in that cycle for the longest time hating myself for not being able to lose the weight. It wasn't until I found MFP, and a few other sites that I'm not sure I can mention on here that I finally realized what was holding me back. For those who are struggling like I was just google "You're fat because you eat too much." It sounds harsh but for me, it was true.5 -
I gained a bunch of weight and i needed something drastic to jumpstart my 40lb loss so Im doing the fat smash diet, which consists of 9 days of detox. No bread, dairy or meat. Its day 3, I woke up starving but I feel ok. Let's do this!
Why did you wake up starving? You shouldn't be starving on the Fat Smash Diet if you are doing it correctly. You aren't supposed to be drastically under-eating.
While "detox" is a dirty word on MFP, the diet plan itself sounds pretty healthy. If you do it correctly that is.0 -
collectingblues wrote: »orionaimee wrote: »Wow, a lot of bossy negative people on here. You will need to walk your own walk on this weight loss journey and find what works for you. Sometimes people just feel like junk after the holidays and want to flush their system out. If this works for you then great, if not then MFP is full of people who will support you on a different path. Happy New Year!
What you "feel like" doesn't mean that there's actually any science or reason behind it. Or that it's even a good idea.
Anorexics "feel like" they're always fat (OK, so at least those with BDD) and can't eat at a reasonable deficit because they need to lose weight. Even if they're underweight. Substance abuse people "feel like" they always need that high. Alcoholics "feel like" they need just that one more drink to get through the day.
Does that mean they should do it?
What do you think is unhealthy about the diet. Other than vocabulary.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »orionaimee wrote: »Wow, a lot of bossy negative people on here. You will need to walk your own walk on this weight loss journey and find what works for you. Sometimes people just feel like junk after the holidays and want to flush their system out. If this works for you then great, if not then MFP is full of people who will support you on a different path. Happy New Year!
What you "feel like" doesn't mean that there's actually any science or reason behind it. Or that it's even a good idea.
Anorexics "feel like" they're always fat (OK, so at least those with BDD) and can't eat at a reasonable deficit because they need to lose weight. Even if they're underweight. Substance abuse people "feel like" they always need that high. Alcoholics "feel like" they need just that one more drink to get through the day.
Does that mean they should do it?
What do you think is unhealthy about the diet. Other than vocabulary.
You'll note that I said nothing about the diet, beyond it having no roots in science or anything that provides anything even resembling an evidence-based practice.
But let's not delude ourselves into thinking that just because someone "feels like" doing something, that it must be ok.
2 -
I'll just leave this here:
21 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »orionaimee wrote: »Wow, a lot of bossy negative people on here. You will need to walk your own walk on this weight loss journey and find what works for you. Sometimes people just feel like junk after the holidays and want to flush their system out. If this works for you then great, if not then MFP is full of people who will support you on a different path. Happy New Year!
What you "feel like" doesn't mean that there's actually any science or reason behind it. Or that it's even a good idea.
Anorexics "feel like" they're always fat (OK, so at least those with BDD) and can't eat at a reasonable deficit because they need to lose weight. Even if they're underweight. Substance abuse people "feel like" they always need that high. Alcoholics "feel like" they need just that one more drink to get through the day.
Does that mean they should do it?
What do you think is unhealthy about the diet. Other than vocabulary.
Not the poster you referenced, but my first thought is that most of these temporary fad diets aren't unhealthy physically. Even the stupid master cleanse isn't going to do lasting physical damage. The problem is that they are all temporary (and often very restrictive), and I think it's an easy argument to build that yo-yo dieting is a notable contributor to the obesity crisis. People do temporary fad diets, lose a bunch of weight fast, don't learn anything, gain a bunch of weight back, over and over and eventually stop trying.
I agree that ultimately, OP isn't going to physically hurt herself doing this 90 day diet, but she will possibly be burying herself further in the restrict/give up cycle that keeps so many people overweight and feeling like failures. It looks like she's going to have to learn that the hard way though!4 -
Just a reminder-
This is the general diet and weight loss board, it is intended for users to ask questions and get answers. Hijacking threads is not allowed. If you cannot stay on topic and only have a snarky comment to make please remove yourself from this thread.
Thanks for your cooperation-
4legs
MFP moderator4 -
-
One of the biggest concerns with perpetuating the detox woo (and other dieting myths) is the psychological damage. How many people have spent years of their life in a vicious cycle tormenting themselves because of lies and misinformation? I for one have been on the dieting rollercoaster since 3rd grade. That does take a toll on your body, and even more specifically your mind. Because of these threads, we can and do change peoples lives. Sometimes the truth “seems” harsh, but they’re doing people an immense favor.8
-
Actually I think the plan I'm doing isnt that different from going plant based, vegetarian or vegan-I eat as much fruits, veggies, beans, tofu, lentils, etc, as I want. Also oatmeal, brown rice, greek yogurt & egg whites are allowed during detox as well. I'm really just on here looking for good vegetarian meal ideas that don't take forever to make.
I have also worked with a registered dietician ( my insurance covered 6 free visits and everyone should try it sometime) and I have a plan to balance carbs & protein intake after the 90 days are up that I have been successful with in the past.
Before anyone says "it obviously didn't work if the weight came back" the plan worked fine, I lost a bunch of weight, got a boyfriend who didn't want to count carbs, hated brown rice and gave me the guilt trip every time I would skip cuddle time to hit the gym on Saturday mornings. Before I knew it I was making his favorite pasta & cheese dishes, skipping the gym and netflix & chilling with a large pizza and wings.
Siggi's Icelandic yogurt. It's like eating a protein supplement, but rich and creamy and delicious.3
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 392.9K Introduce Yourself
- 43.7K Getting Started
- 260.1K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.8K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 415 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 152.9K Motivation and Support
- 7.9K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.6K MyFitnessPal Information
- 23 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.5K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions