dairy or soy milk
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »livenfree45 wrote: »GemstoneofHeart wrote: »I don’t like soy because there have been a lot of studies on hormone issues among other things, so I go with almond milk instead.
I tried almond milk, I didn't like it. I do like and drink chocolate almond milk though
I imagine it varies by brand, but Blue Diamond chocolate almond milk has 20 g of sugar per cup, compared to 12 g per cup for dairy milk, so that seems counterproductive to your goal.
True, I figure it's healthier then dairy chocolate milk, but I've never compared the 2.0 -
livenfree45 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »livenfree45 wrote: »GemstoneofHeart wrote: »I don’t like soy because there have been a lot of studies on hormone issues among other things, so I go with almond milk instead.
I tried almond milk, I didn't like it. I do like and drink chocolate almond milk though
I imagine it varies by brand, but Blue Diamond chocolate almond milk has 20 g of sugar per cup, compared to 12 g per cup for dairy milk, so that seems counterproductive to your goal.
True, I figure it's healthier then dairy chocolate milk, but I've never compared the 2.
"Healthier" is a term that can have a variety of meanings. If your goal is reducing sugar, this wouldn't be the healthier. Are there other measurements you have in mind?1 -
GoldenEye_ wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I did not "woo" your reply, but I can't imagine that anyone is thinking you're not *allowed* to have preferences. It's just that when you express your preferences, people are also allowed to express their opinion of them. Even our personal preferences can draw a reaction from others.Since MFP made the bad decision to add a woo button, people appear to be using it to "punish" people they disagree with or dislike for reasons of their own. Ignore them.
Thanks. I personally only use the woo button for broscience or simply very rude posts. Everyone is different and everyone has different preferences, so 'woo'-ing everyone with a different opinion seems a bit off to me and in this case it made me wonder. Thanks again for the clarification so far.
I was always under the assumption that woo was short for woohoo, i.e. something to hoot about, but it seems that on here it's something negative, too bad.2 -
All my Dr said about dairy was consume in moderation, I eat/drink about 3-4 servings of dairy a day, if I drink cow milk. I'll ask my Dr if that's too much. Thank you all.1
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I don't see a reason to stop drinking milk unless you have a medical condition or personal preference that would keep you from drinking it. I have a lot of diabetics in the family; Dad drinks big glasses of 2% milk and it doesn't seem to affect his blood sugar.0
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My mother's oncologist said that soy milk, and how it's processed is a known contributor to cancer, so there's that. I dislike pretty much all milk so I'm safe there.9
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My mother's oncologist said that soy milk, and how it's processed is a known contributor to cancer, so there's that. I dislike pretty much all milk so I'm safe there.
In what way? Soy milk is made by soaking and grinding beans, boiling the results, and then straining out particulates. It's also the basis of tofu, so I'm unsure how solid the link between the production of soy milk and cancer can be as I'm not aware of any good evidence linking tofu consumption to higher cancer rates.7 -
moosmum1972 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »My mother's oncologist said that soy milk, and how it's processed is a known contributor to cancer, so there's that. I dislike pretty much all milk so I'm safe there.
In what way? Soy milk is made by soaking and grinding beans, boiling the results, and then straining out particulates. It's also the basis of tofu, so I'm unsure how solid the link between the production of soy milk and cancer can be as I'm not aware of any good evidence linking tofu consumption to higher cancer rates.
If it did the Japanese would all be dead...deep fried tofu strips on noodle broth is the bomb
Love deep fried tofu, it's so good in soups!3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »My mother's oncologist said that soy milk, and how it's processed is a known contributor to cancer, so there's that. I dislike pretty much all milk so I'm safe there.
In what way? Soy milk is made by soaking and grinding beans, boiling the results, and then straining out particulates. It's also the basis of tofu, so I'm unsure how solid the link between the production of soy milk and cancer can be as I'm not aware of any good evidence linking tofu consumption to higher cancer rates.
If it did the Japanese would all be dead...deep fried tofu strips on noodle broth is the bomb
Love deep fried tofu, it's so good in soups!
I love it warm on a cold salad.2 -
livenfree45 wrote: »GoldenEye_ wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I did not "woo" your reply, but I can't imagine that anyone is thinking you're not *allowed* to have preferences. It's just that when you express your preferences, people are also allowed to express their opinion of them. Even our personal preferences can draw a reaction from others.Since MFP made the bad decision to add a woo button, people appear to be using it to "punish" people they disagree with or dislike for reasons of their own. Ignore them.
Thanks. I personally only use the woo button for broscience or simply very rude posts. Everyone is different and everyone has different preferences, so 'woo'-ing everyone with a different opinion seems a bit off to me and in this case it made me wonder. Thanks again for the clarification so far.
I was always under the assumption that woo was short for woohoo, i.e. something to hoot about, but it seems that on here it's something negative, too bad.
Me too!!0 -
I would avoid dairy if you are looking to reduce risk of diabetes. That being said, there are plenty of plant based milks, not just soy, if you wanted to try out other options. I usually go with almond, just a taste preference.6
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GoldenEye_ wrote: »I really wanted to let this go, but I'm just too curious. Why al the woo's for my reply? Am I not allowed to prefer the taste of soy milk? Is cow milk not originally intented to grow baby cows into healthy, strong, big cows? I'm really just stating my personal preferences here?
There are very well funded industries that would prefer to sway public opinions towards consuming what they sell. They spend millions (billions?) on print advertisement, TV ads, internet ads, product placement in shows and movies, industry funded studies and, of course, lobbyists.
Would it really be that big of a surprise to find out that there are people paid to espouse these points of view on internet forums?
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GoldenEye_ wrote: »I really wanted to let this go, but I'm just too curious. Why al the woo's for my reply? Am I not allowed to prefer the taste of soy milk? Is cow milk not originally intented to grow baby cows into healthy, strong, big cows? I'm really just stating my personal preferences here?
There are very well funded industries that would prefer to sway public opinions towards consuming what they sell. They spend millions (billions?) on print advertisement, TV ads, internet ads, product placement in shows and movies, industry funded studies and, of course, lobbyists.
Would it really be that big of a surprise to find out that there are people paid to espouse these points of view on internet forums?
So *that* explains all the keto, IF and ACV threads!!! How insightful!11 -
I prefer almond milk.0
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Golden eye i wasnt one of the woo-ers - but I imagine this sentence " and like the idea that I'm not putting something into my body that was intended to grow baby cows until they're a couple of months old (at which time they're already a pretty decent size)." drew some woo-ing
Of course you are allowed your personal preference and your ethical decisions too if that is a factor and of course cow's milk is for baby cows - but then almonds are for growing almond trees but that doesnt seem a comment anyone needs to make.
Probably if you had just stated your perference and even added for ethical reasons as I am vegan or something like that, there wouldnt have been any woo-ing done.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »My mother's oncologist said that soy milk, and how it's processed is a known contributor to cancer, so there's that. I dislike pretty much all milk so I'm safe there.
In what way? Soy milk is made by soaking and grinding beans, boiling the results, and then straining out particulates. It's also the basis of tofu, so I'm unsure how solid the link between the production of soy milk and cancer can be as I'm not aware of any good evidence linking tofu consumption to higher cancer rates.
Perhaps not with how it is processed, but rather how the soy bean is grown. Soy beans are among the most genetically modified agricultural crop. Modified to allow for the farmers to be able to spray large amounts of herbicides on it to increase yield. I am not stating that there are any proven links between this and cancer, but unless you are eating organic Soy Milk, you probably are ingesting some chemicals when consuming soy milk. Though perhaps no more than with non organic dairy.8 -
My mother's oncologist said that soy milk, and how it's processed is a known contributor to cancer, so there's that. I dislike pretty much all milk so I'm safe there.
The most current mainstream advice is that moderate soy consumption - in the order of a couple of servings daily - is safe even for survivors of estrogen-receptor-positive breast cancer. Since I am one of those, and also a vegetarian, this is a question I've followed closely, as you might imagine.
Mainstream organizations like the American Society of Clinical Oncology and the American Cancer Society, among others, now offer that guidance. It had been an area with more cautionary advice, in past years, due to mixed or ambiguous early research results
More soy than that may be safe, also: The main problem with research support for higher consumption is that not enough survivors eat large enough amounts of soy to persuasively demonstrate that.
I used to mostly avoid soy out of caution. Now I don't, though I probably still average only 3-5 servings weekly.
To drink (in my coffee), though? Totally dairy milk, for me. I do prefer organic, out of caution: Early on, I couldn't find any info pro or con about whether estrogens administered to cows affected the milk, or not - not even the cancer center dietician could find anything for me (17 years ago). Regarding that, I haven't followed more recent research.6 -
Go for what makes you happy Golden Eye!0
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I would avoid dairy if you are looking to reduce risk of diabetes. That being said, there are plenty of plant based milks, not just soy, if you wanted to try out other options. I usually go with almond, just a taste preference.
I tried it, I didn't like it, but I did only try one brand, not all of them, I disliked the one I tried so much I threw it away, I was afraid to try any others, I don't like wasting money like that...0 -
In my opinion, milk comes from cows. All the other "substitutes" don't taste like milk and aren't milk. Almond milk should be called almond water, and soy milk just tastes vile, neither taste anything like real milk.11
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I prefer almond milk to soy, and either one to cow milk. Granted, I'm also lactose intolerant, but cruelty free milk is pretty awesome
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Christine_72 wrote: »In my opinion, milk comes from cows. All the other "substitutes" don't taste like milk and aren't milk. Almond milk should be called almond water, and soy milk just tastes vile, neither taste anything like real milk.
Well, being really pedantic - milk comes from mammals.
So human milk, goats milk, sheeps milk etc are still milk and some humans do drink them
But, yes, I agree - soy milk, rice milk, almond milk, coconut milk etc should really be called milk substitutes.
Nothing wrong with using them of course - but they are not milk.
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paperpudding wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »In my opinion, milk comes from cows. All the other "substitutes" don't taste like milk and aren't milk. Almond milk should be called almond water, and soy milk just tastes vile, neither taste anything like real milk.
Well, being really pedantic - milk comes from mammals.
So human milk, goats milk, sheeps milk etc are still milk and some humans do drink them
But, yes, I agree - soy milk, rice milk, almond milk, coconut milk etc should really be called milk substitutes.
Nothing wrong with using them of course - but they are not milk.
Soy juice? Nut juice?0 -
soy milk substitute, nut milk substitute.........
(like I said in my post)0 -
GoldenEye_ wrote: »I really wanted to let this go, but I'm just too curious. Why al the woo's for my reply? Am I not allowed to prefer the taste of soy milk? Is cow milk not originally intented to grow baby cows into healthy, strong, big cows? I'm really just stating my personal preferences here?
Based on my experience, you worded it very similar to a typical overzealous vegan would, who is about to preach how cows milk is full of puss. Because if we could change a baby cows food source, they would still grow big and strong. No different than how baby humams grow big regardless if they have breast milk or formula.
I second fairlife. Best tasting milk (especially chocolate) and very high in protein and low in sugar. And all nut waters are overpriced crap. They only taste good if they are flavored.11 -
My first choice is whole raw milk, but (not ultra) pasteurized grassfed milk will do in a budget or supply crunch.
I love the taste of soy milk, but my hormones do not like it at all so I haven't had any for the past decade or so. I miss it, but it's nice not to have hot flashes, acne, migraines, menstrual cramps, and insane psychotic mood swings.
I'm neutral on homemade almond milk. It tastes okay, but isn't really a milk substitute to me. The commercial kinds taste like water gone bad and contain ingredients I'd prefer to avoid.
And speaking of ingredients I'd prefer to avoid, I had a matcha latte made with coconut milk recently. I'm not sure of the brand of milk, but it was creamy good. I'm sure it was mostly delicious but disturbing chemicals. Too good not to be.1 -
I never understand people being possessive over the word milk. No ones confused about soy milk and what it is. It’s like being upset that coconut meat is called meat. Just let people have their things.2
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GoldenEye_ wrote: »I really wanted to let this go, but I'm just too curious. Why al the woo's for my reply? Am I not allowed to prefer the taste of soy milk? Is cow milk not originally intented to grow baby cows into healthy, strong, big cows? I'm really just stating my personal preferences here?
I would guess many people reading this would consider this comment a critique on their diet and they think you are in no place to critique their diet.3 -
Dairy has the most protein so that’s what I drink, either 2% or whole milk. I don’t like soy and I have a preference against almond milk (mostly as it pertains to the massive amount of water it takes to grow and make almonds/almond milk)(google it). Anyway I like milk and while I don’t usually drink it plain I love lattes (no sugar added). Milk is a “whole food” and less likely to have a significant impact on blood sugars due to the balance of lactose to fats to protein. This is also why skim dairy isn’t as nutritionally good for you as it takes the fat away which helps slow digestion and also fat is needed to help some vitamins be used by the body. In reality the marketing ploy that we need milk isn’t really true anyway as you can get those vitamins and macros from other foods too.1
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WhereIsPJSoles wrote: »I never understand people being possessive over the word milk. No ones confused about soy milk and what it is. It’s like being upset that coconut meat is called meat. Just let people have their things.
Yes i did admit it was pedantic
Nobody was upset though - i just like accurate labelling.1
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