which is the best diet for overall health and weight loss

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what i am saying is that they are already getting the sugar from the F&V then they buy fat free stuff thinking it health only to be eating massive amount of Sugar - 20% carbs a day are more than enough 40% Fat needed for endocrine system and CNS function, 40% protein needed for muscle retention , blood production, enzyme production....

Sugar needed for ATP production but you can produce ATP with fats and not have all the ancillary issue associate with Sugar consumption

Who is doing this? Given the current trends (paleo, low carb, keto, "clean eating"), who exactly is buying this fat free stuff? Who is even making it anymore? I don't think my grocery store even sells Snackwells anymore and they were like the poster child for low fat snacks. The trendy snacks are higher fat things like coconut chips or things that are higher in fiber like roasted chickpeas.

All I posted was a 40-40-20 rule where carbs are 20 - people started blowing me up over it and i was left having to call up medical journals substantiating my opinion

That wasn't all you did. You also claimed that the food pyramid was still current, that people following it would be "pounding down pasta all day long," and that someone who was following the current food recommendations would be consuming "massive" amounts of sugar.

You also claimed that recommendations for fruit and vegetable consumption were the work of sugar companies so that they could more easily sell fat-free products to people (although how this connection is supposed to work still isn't exactly clear to me).

You've made a lot of claims here and they aren't backed up by studies in reputable medical journals (or any type of journal).

"You also claimed that recommendations for fruit and vegetable consumption were the work of sugar companies" - NOPE never did that - I did respond to a question about it

"You've made a lot of claims here and they aren't backed up by studies in reputable medical journals" - yes i did

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JAP

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When asked whether sugar companies benefit from people eating fruit, you responded: "of course it does - keep them eating sugar(fruit- sugar - basically the same) keep them fat - and watch us justify a low/no fat diet and we'll be able to load the products with sugar."

So you think the sugar companies had nothing to do with the recommendation to eat fruits and vegetables, they're just benefiting passively from recommendations made for other reasons? If I misunderstood you, then I apologize.

In the scenario you're writing about, who wants to "keep them fat" and why? If it isn't the sugar companies behind it, then who is doing it?

Sugar producers and corn producers love a fat USA - they get the tout a fat free diet knowing full well they are going to be throwing massive amounts of sugar into the product to make it taste good the whole time the package will say "FAT FREE" it so healthy for you

what products specifically?

the only low fat products I buy are 1% milk and non-fat Fage...neither of those products has added sugar at all...let alone "massive amounts"...I get plenty of dietary fat elsewhere from nuts, avocados, good cooking oils, etc...

It's 2018, not 1990...I don't really see "low fat" products produced and marketed like they were in 1990...

So what products specifically are marketed as "low fat" but have massive amounts of sugar added...

Perfect Example Special K - hey a HEALTHY cereal - almost no fat but hey please don;t look at the
33 grams of Sugar - CRAP for you - but touted as healthy and people buy it by the truck loads but hey ITS A GRAIN

5.8 grams of sugar...the rest of the carbohydrates are starch and fiber

Carbohydrate is a sugar ---- fiber content is 2.6 gramds the rest????? SUGAR - oh wait don;t you get it from the milk too

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oh yeah FAT FREE milk though so its "healthy"

You know the sugar in milk is naturally occuring though... lactose.

and?????? who cares - its sugar - then you through the sugar in from you HEALTHY Special K and you fat free Faje yogurt with 8 more grams of Sugar - 100 pounds of year of processed sugar is what the average person eats - the average bag of sugar is 8 pounds - so that mean the average person literally consume 12-13 bag a year

Well you are the one claiming that there is tons of added sugar in fat free products....

Look fat free - so it MUST be healthy for you aside form the 33 grams of sugar - but hey its FATFREE

When you have nothing of importance to say keep repeating faulty info... yup 5.8=33

Has a hard time reading labels - must suck

cwolfman13 wrote: »

I wonder why I'm not fat? I mean I'd guestimate that about 40% of my diet is carbohydrates...when I was heavily plant based it was more like 50-60%...still not fat. And if carbs were the devil I'd imagine that every vegan on the planet would be morbidly obese...

I'm going to go eat my coconut curry potato and lentil stew now...with some evil cumin roasted cauliflower...probably gonna get keel over after that...though I hope not as I'm supposed to lead a 30 mile group ride tomorrow if the weather holds...people are counting on me...

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what i am saying is that they are already getting the sugar from the F&V then they buy fat free stuff thinking it health only to be eating massive amount of Sugar - 20% carbs a day are more than enough 40% Fat needed for endocrine system and CNS function, 40% protein needed for muscle retention , blood production, enzyme production....

Sugar needed for ATP production but you can produce ATP with fats and not have all the ancillary issue associate with Sugar consumption

Who is doing this? Given the current trends (paleo, low carb, keto, "clean eating"), who exactly is buying this fat free stuff? Who is even making it anymore? I don't think my grocery store even sells Snackwells anymore and they were like the poster child for low fat snacks. The trendy snacks are higher fat things like coconut chips or things that are higher in fiber like roasted chickpeas.

All I posted was a 40-40-20 rule where carbs are 20 - people started blowing me up over it and i was left having to call up medical journals substantiating my opinion

That wasn't all you did. You also claimed that the food pyramid was still current, that people following it would be "pounding down pasta all day long," and that someone who was following the current food recommendations would be consuming "massive" amounts of sugar.

You also claimed that recommendations for fruit and vegetable consumption were the work of sugar companies so that they could more easily sell fat-free products to people (although how this connection is supposed to work still isn't exactly clear to me).

You've made a lot of claims here and they aren't backed up by studies in reputable medical journals (or any type of journal).

"You also claimed that recommendations for fruit and vegetable consumption were the work of sugar companies" - NOPE never did that - I did respond to a question about it

"You've made a lot of claims here and they aren't backed up by studies in reputable medical journals" - yes i did

NIH
MAYO
JAP

you pic - reading is fun

When asked whether sugar companies benefit from people eating fruit, you responded: "of course it does - keep them eating sugar(fruit- sugar - basically the same) keep them fat - and watch us justify a low/no fat diet and we'll be able to load the products with sugar."

So you think the sugar companies had nothing to do with the recommendation to eat fruits and vegetables, they're just benefiting passively from recommendations made for other reasons? If I misunderstood you, then I apologize.

In the scenario you're writing about, who wants to "keep them fat" and why? If it isn't the sugar companies behind it, then who is doing it?

Sugar producers and corn producers love a fat USA - they get the tout a fat free diet knowing full well they are going to be throwing massive amounts of sugar into the product to make it taste good the whole time the package will say "FAT FREE" it so healthy for you

what products specifically?

the only low fat products I buy are 1% milk and non-fat Fage...neither of those products has added sugar at all...let alone "massive amounts"...I get plenty of dietary fat elsewhere from nuts, avocados, good cooking oils, etc...

It's 2018, not 1990...I don't really see "low fat" products produced and marketed like they were in 1990...

So what products specifically are marketed as "low fat" but have massive amounts of sugar added...

Perfect Example Special K - hey a HEALTHY cereal - almost no fat but hey please don;t look at the
33 grams of Sugar - CRAP for you - but touted as healthy and people buy it by the truck loads but hey ITS A GRAIN

5.8 grams of sugar...the rest of the carbohydrates are starch and fiber

Carbohydrate is a sugar ---- fiber content is 2.6 gramds the rest????? SUGAR - oh wait don;t you get it from the milk too

---

oh yeah FAT FREE milk though so its "healthy"

You know the sugar in milk is naturally occuring though... lactose.

and?????? who cares - its sugar - then you through the sugar in from you HEALTHY Special K and you fat free Faje yogurt with 8 more grams of Sugar - 100 pounds of year of processed sugar is what the average person eats - the average bag of sugar is 8 pounds - so that mean the average person literally consume 12-13 bag a year

Well you are the one claiming that there is tons of added sugar in fat free products....

Look fat free - so it MUST be healthy for you aside form the 33 grams of sugar - but hey its FATFREE

When you have nothing of importance to say keep repeating faulty info... yup 5.8=33

Has a hard time reading labels - must suck

Even if you are going to count all the carbs as "sugar"...which they aren't...the 5.8 is part of the 26.6 grams of carbohydrates...as is the 2.6 grams of fiber...they aren't on top of the 26.6...learn to read labels..

Amazing how the sugar industry managed to get 5.8grams per box put into a HEALTHY cereal that already has 26 grams of Carbs

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cwolfman13 wrote: »

I wonder if the OPs picture is really him...you'd think someone built like that would understand the value of carbohydrates in one's diet...

tis me - and I live by the rules I speakof

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what i am saying is that they are already getting the sugar from the F&V then they buy fat free stuff thinking it health only to be eating massive amount of Sugar - 20% carbs a day are more than enough 40% Fat needed for endocrine system and CNS function, 40% protein needed for muscle retention , blood production, enzyme production....

Sugar needed for ATP production but you can produce ATP with fats and not have all the ancillary issue associate with Sugar consumption

Who is doing this? Given the current trends (paleo, low carb, keto, "clean eating"), who exactly is buying this fat free stuff? Who is even making it anymore? I don't think my grocery store even sells Snackwells anymore and they were like the poster child for low fat snacks. The trendy snacks are higher fat things like coconut chips or things that are higher in fiber like roasted chickpeas.

All I posted was a 40-40-20 rule where carbs are 20 - people started blowing me up over it and i was left having to call up medical journals substantiating my opinion

That wasn't all you did. You also claimed that the food pyramid was still current, that people following it would be "pounding down pasta all day long," and that someone who was following the current food recommendations would be consuming "massive" amounts of sugar.

You also claimed that recommendations for fruit and vegetable consumption were the work of sugar companies so that they could more easily sell fat-free products to people (although how this connection is supposed to work still isn't exactly clear to me).

You've made a lot of claims here and they aren't backed up by studies in reputable medical journals (or any type of journal).

"You also claimed that recommendations for fruit and vegetable consumption were the work of sugar companies" - NOPE never did that - I did respond to a question about it

"You've made a lot of claims here and they aren't backed up by studies in reputable medical journals" - yes i did

NIH
MAYO
JAP

you pic - reading is fun

When asked whether sugar companies benefit from people eating fruit, you responded: "of course it does - keep them eating sugar(fruit- sugar - basically the same) keep them fat - and watch us justify a low/no fat diet and we'll be able to load the products with sugar."

So you think the sugar companies had nothing to do with the recommendation to eat fruits and vegetables, they're just benefiting passively from recommendations made for other reasons? If I misunderstood you, then I apologize.

In the scenario you're writing about, who wants to "keep them fat" and why? If it isn't the sugar companies behind it, then who is doing it?

Sugar producers and corn producers love a fat USA - they get the tout a fat free diet knowing full well they are going to be throwing massive amounts of sugar into the product to make it taste good the whole time the package will say "FAT FREE" it so healthy for you

what products specifically?

the only low fat products I buy are 1% milk and non-fat Fage...neither of those products has added sugar at all...let alone "massive amounts"...I get plenty of dietary fat elsewhere from nuts, avocados, good cooking oils, etc...

It's 2018, not 1990...I don't really see "low fat" products produced and marketed like they were in 1990...

So what products specifically are marketed as "low fat" but have massive amounts of sugar added...

Perfect Example Special K - hey a HEALTHY cereal - almost no fat but hey please don;t look at the
33 grams of Sugar - CRAP for you - but touted as healthy and people buy it by the truck loads but hey ITS A GRAIN

5.8 grams of sugar...the rest of the carbohydrates are starch and fiber

Carbohydrate is a sugar ---- fiber content is 2.6 gramds the rest????? SUGAR - oh wait don;t you get it from the milk too

---

oh yeah FAT FREE milk though so its "healthy"

You know the sugar in milk is naturally occuring though... lactose.

and?????? who cares - its sugar - then you through the sugar in from you HEALTHY Special K and you fat free Faje yogurt with 8 more grams of Sugar - 100 pounds of year of processed sugar is what the average person eats - the average bag of sugar is 8 pounds - so that mean the average person literally consume 12-13 bag a year

Well you are the one claiming that there is tons of added sugar in fat free products....

Look fat free - so it MUST be healthy for you aside form the 33 grams of sugar - but hey its FATFREE

When you have nothing of importance to say keep repeating faulty info... yup 5.8=33

Has a hard time reading labels - must suck

Even if you are going to count all the carbs as "sugar"...which they aren't...the 5.8 is part of the 26.6 grams of carbohydrates...as is the 2.6 grams of fiber...they aren't on top of the 26.6...learn to read labels..

Amazing how the sugar industry managed to get 5.8grams per box put into a HEALTHY cereal that already has 26 grams of Carbs

First of all, Special K is more promoted as low cal than healthy.

Second, "the sugar industry" did nothing. Consumer taste and Kellogg's decided to make a cereal with added sugar. You can buy cereal without it too.

And if you are concerned about added sugar, why rant about 33 g, most of which is obviously NOT added sugar. You seem to think all carbs are bad for people (see also posts complaining about the promotion of fruits and veg). Absurd.

you need CARBS but not at the 40% of your diet level

imfornd wrote: »

if 33 was it for the day you'ld be right - but throughout the day the average person consumes almost 3 pound 1/3 of a pound of refined sugar daily