Down 71lbs now weight won't budge HELP!
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If it would help in any way.. My experiences of going from 198 to 175 lbs. First like everyone mentions is caloric intake. But the key to it I've learned is the what kind of caloric intake. I restrain all my carbohydrates to ONLY and very strictly only green vegetables. That's it. No potatoes no rice no bread no nuts of any kind. I do a hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian. I only eat 4 ounces of meat a day and one meal that has non fat greek yogurt pushes to 40 grams of protein in one shot. Also I implement intermittent fasting either skipping breakfast or dinner. Now last thing that helped me.. break away from your diet. So what I do here is a ratio of 3:1 of 3 parts dieting and one part of just eating what you normally would (not letting go!) and then back to dieting. So lets say 6 days dieting 2 days normal .. this pushed my weight loss so much at one point I lost almost 6 pounds in one week (scary I know but I felt perfectly normal)
For your situation right now what I would do if I were you is reset your metabolism. I don't know all this mumbo jumbo but try eating normal for a few days while still exercising. Lets say 1600 calories and 200 calories of workout. (take a break!) Hope it helps! I've recently fell off track and might be my final point lol.. DONT STOP! Keep that discipline going it is so very much worth it. Living and feeling great and healthy.. is worth all the discipline required. (also remember 65 ounces of water a day!)
So much nope.6 -
If it would help in any way.. My experiences of going from 198 to 175 lbs. First like everyone mentions is caloric intake. But the key to it I've learned is the what kind of caloric intake. I restrain all my carbohydrates to ONLY and very strictly only green vegetables. That's it. No potatoes no rice no bread no nuts of any kind. I do a hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian. I only eat 4 ounces of meat a day and one meal that has non fat greek yogurt pushes to 40 grams of protein in one shot. Also I implement intermittent fasting either skipping breakfast or dinner. Now last thing that helped me.. break away from your diet. So what I do here is a ratio of 3:1 of 3 parts dieting and one part of just eating what you normally would (not letting go!) and then back to dieting. So lets say 6 days dieting 2 days normal .. this pushed my weight loss so much at one point I lost almost 6 pounds in one week (scary I know but I felt perfectly normal)
For your situation right now what I would do if I were you is reset your metabolism. I don't know all this mumbo jumbo but try eating normal for a few days while still exercising. Lets say 1600 calories and 200 calories of workout. (take a break!) Hope it helps! I've recently fell off track and might be my final point lol.. DONT STOP! Keep that discipline going it is so very much worth it. Living and feeling great and healthy.. is worth all the discipline required. (also remember 65 ounces of water a day!)
Highly detailed, specific, and restrictive diets tend to encourage failure/quitting.
Eat what you like, Hit your general macro targets(protein) and let the carbs/fat fall wherever you like as long as you're satisfied.18 -
If it would help in any way.. My experiences of going from 198 to 175 lbs. First like everyone mentions is caloric intake. But the key to it I've learned is the what kind of caloric intake. I restrain all my carbohydrates to ONLY and very strictly only green vegetables. That's it. No potatoes no rice no bread no nuts of any kind. I do a hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian. I only eat 4 ounces of meat a day and one meal that has non fat greek yogurt pushes to 40 grams of protein in one shot. Also I implement intermittent fasting either skipping breakfast or dinner. Now last thing that helped me.. break away from your diet. So what I do here is a ratio of 3:1 of 3 parts dieting and one part of just eating what you normally would (not letting go!) and then back to dieting. So lets say 6 days dieting 2 days normal .. this pushed my weight loss so much at one point I lost almost 6 pounds in one week (scary I know but I felt perfectly normal)
For your situation right now what I would do if I were you is reset your metabolism. I don't know all this mumbo jumbo but try eating normal for a few days while still exercising. Lets say 1600 calories and 200 calories of workout. (take a break!) Hope it helps! I've recently fell off track and might be my final point lol.. DONT STOP! Keep that discipline going it is so very much worth it. Living and feeling great and healthy.. is worth all the discipline required. (also remember 65 ounces of water a day!)
I don't understand how you restrict your carbohydrates to green vegetables only but still eat Greek yogurt.
I also don't understand how eating meat is part of a "hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian."9 -
If it would help in any way.. My experiences of going from 198 to 175 lbs. First like everyone mentions is caloric intake. But the key to it I've learned is the what kind of caloric intake. I restrain all my carbohydrates to ONLY and very strictly only green vegetables. That's it. No potatoes no rice no bread no nuts of any kind. I do a hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian. I only eat 4 ounces of meat a day and one meal that has non fat greek yogurt pushes to 40 grams of protein in one shot. Also I implement intermittent fasting either skipping breakfast or dinner. Now last thing that helped me.. break away from your diet. So what I do here is a ratio of 3:1 of 3 parts dieting and one part of just eating what you normally would (not letting go!) and then back to dieting. So lets say 6 days dieting 2 days normal .. this pushed my weight loss so much at one point I lost almost 6 pounds in one week (scary I know but I felt perfectly normal)
For your situation right now what I would do if I were you is reset your metabolism. I don't know all this mumbo jumbo but try eating normal for a few days while still exercising. Lets say 1600 calories and 200 calories of workout. (take a break!) Hope it helps! I've recently fell off track and might be my final point lol.. DONT STOP! Keep that discipline going it is so very much worth it. Living and feeling great and healthy.. is worth all the discipline required. (also remember 65 ounces of water a day!)
You're eating meat, that's not vegetarian.9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »If it would help in any way.. My experiences of going from 198 to 175 lbs. First like everyone mentions is caloric intake. But the key to it I've learned is the what kind of caloric intake. I restrain all my carbohydrates to ONLY and very strictly only green vegetables. That's it. No potatoes no rice no bread no nuts of any kind. I do a hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian. I only eat 4 ounces of meat a day and one meal that has non fat greek yogurt pushes to 40 grams of protein in one shot. Also I implement intermittent fasting either skipping breakfast or dinner. Now last thing that helped me.. break away from your diet. So what I do here is a ratio of 3:1 of 3 parts dieting and one part of just eating what you normally would (not letting go!) and then back to dieting. So lets say 6 days dieting 2 days normal .. this pushed my weight loss so much at one point I lost almost 6 pounds in one week (scary I know but I felt perfectly normal)
For your situation right now what I would do if I were you is reset your metabolism. I don't know all this mumbo jumbo but try eating normal for a few days while still exercising. Lets say 1600 calories and 200 calories of workout. (take a break!) Hope it helps! I've recently fell off track and might be my final point lol.. DONT STOP! Keep that discipline going it is so very much worth it. Living and feeling great and healthy.. is worth all the discipline required. (also remember 65 ounces of water a day!)
You're eating meat, that's not vegetarian.
LOL, my eyes glazed right over that
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When did the words vegetarian and vegan begin to lose all meaning for people?11
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It is just like marketing where 60% of the product is made with natural, organic ingredients. Sort of like 60% vegetarian and 25% ketogenic.
In fact, I too was 100% vegan during one meal yesterday!8 -
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eeek posting malfunction!0
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stanmann571 wrote: »
You bring to mind humanitarians
I like them even more than I like vegetarians
And I do always wonder what they eat!!!
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If it would help in any way.. My experiences of going from 198 to 175 lbs. First like everyone mentions is caloric intake. But the key to it I've learned is the what kind of caloric intake. I restrain all my carbohydrates to ONLY and very strictly only green vegetables. That's it. No potatoes no rice no bread no nuts of any kind. I do a hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian. I only eat 4 ounces of meat a day and one meal that has non fat greek yogurt pushes to 40 grams of protein in one shot. Also I implement intermittent fasting either skipping breakfast or dinner. Now last thing that helped me.. break away from your diet. So what I do here is a ratio of 3:1 of 3 parts dieting and one part of just eating what you normally would (not letting go!) and then back to dieting. So lets say 6 days dieting 2 days normal .. this pushed my weight loss so much at one point I lost almost 6 pounds in one week (scary I know but I felt perfectly normal)
For your situation right now what I would do if I were you is reset your metabolism. I don't know all this mumbo jumbo but try eating normal for a few days while still exercising. Lets say 1600 calories and 200 calories of workout. (take a break!) Hope it helps! I've recently fell off track and might be my final point lol.. DONT STOP! Keep that discipline going it is so very much worth it. Living and feeling great and healthy.. is worth all the discipline required. (also remember 65 ounces of water a day!)
Oh just no.
Also please seriously with you people eating meat calling yourself vegetarian.
Just stop.
One last thing: life without potatoes is not a life I'm interested in living.9 -
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Was it oreos? Fess up.
I see my cookie monster reputation...
670g of rutabaga/swede mashed with 13.5g of table sugar! (273 Cal, ~64g Carb, 1g fat, ~6.5g protein, ~14g fiber)
The 50g of honey graham cookies/crackers, which based on the ingredients look vegan too, came later in the evening ;-) (OK as logged 41.67g of cookies for 183 Cal, because a certain Skylar got her 16.67% tax)
actually whey/milk/yogurt were the only animal products consumed...1 -
Aw, Skylar is such a good girl helping you out like that!1
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I hate it when an OP has a great discussion going and is taking everything on board and then a bunch of people jump in with unnecessary woo :huh:
IMHO after reading the thread:
1. Check out the diet break thread previously linked and take a two week break, eating maintenance with a good amount of carbs.
2. While you're doing that, order a food scale.
3. Come off the break committed to 6-8 weeks of super accurate and consistent logging, using the scale and double checking the database entries you are using.
4. Don't over exercise out of desperation, the increased stress on your body and psyche is counter productive.
Good luck!16 -
I agree with Cheryl's advice. When I got stuck and pounds would just not budge anymore, I would up my calories for a few days, and then go back down to normal intake. That kick-started my system again. I'm not sure why it works, but it's worked for me every time. Either way, for my height at only 5'1' - my recommended calorie intake for weight loss is 1100. You are 5'7', 1000 calories seems rather low to stay on long-term. Your activity level may require more calories to prevent your body from holding on to reserves. Perhaps revisit the recommended calories? Good luck! I wish you well. And congratulations on your amazing accomplishment!6
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Was it oreos? Fess up.
I see my cookie monster reputation...
670g of rutabaga/swede mashed with 13.5g of table sugar! (273 Cal, ~64g Carb, 1g fat, ~6.5g protein, ~14g fiber)
The 50g of honey graham cookies/crackers, which based on the ingredients look vegan too, came later in the evening ;-) (OK as logged 41.67g of cookies for 183 Cal, because a certain Skylar got her 16.67% tax)
actually whey/milk/yogurt were the only animal products consumed...
Sorry to burst your ~25% vegan bubble, but don't honey graham cookies/crackers have . . . honey? (ETA: I could be wrong, though. I bought some fantastic "bacon" habanero tortilla chips the other day, and they definitely didn't include actual bacon flavor.)
OP, I agree with the regular, reliable posters. I would definitely start with taking a diet break. I won't repeat all recommendations, but just say I'd follow kimny72's advice right above.
And, I have found my fitbit to be very reliable. I think I will have used a fitbit for three years come April or so.4 -
Sorry to burst your ~25% vegan bubble, but don't honey graham cookies/crackers have . . . honey?
Nah, my vegan cookie bubble is truly and fully busted!
Honey.
I guess them Bees ain't vegetables!
Who would have thunk it!
As to the rest of it, me thinks that this here @kimny72 keeps showing a remarkable knack for common sense!
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Lesscookies1 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm with PAV8888 on this because even if you're not using a food scale and not tracking some things and even if your Fitbit is off (I really wish people would stop pushing this narrative, because a lot of us find them perfectly reliable), you have quite a disparity going.
I get 30K steps a day and know from scale performance just how many calories that can burn, and I weigh less than you, OP. Granted, most of mine are at brisk pace, I don't know what pace your are at and that can affect your burns.
Saying that, we're still talking margins here where you should be in a deficit, and that is my main point. Even with inaccurate logging and possibly less than ideal reporting from the Fitbit, you are still in a deficit, so something else is at play here.
I strongly suspect that you have been eating at deficit too long and are experiencing hormone downregulation and also experiencing water retention from increased activity and raised cortisol.
I also recommend taking a 2 week diet break while eating at maintenance calorie levels, and I recommend that you read the diet breaks thread.
Finally! Lolthank you that's what I was trying to say I didn't know how to say... Even if my fitbit's saying a little more and my calories is a little more I would still been at of deficit... even if ibwas actually eating 1400 instead of 1000 cals and only burning 2500 a day instead of 3500 i am still at a deficit....but i plan to eat a little more and weigh and track hope to see some results.
That doesn't make sense to me. Op was not weighing her food so she didn't have an idea of how much she was actually consuming she thought she was consuming 1,000, but that wasn't true. I think op consuming the calories MFP suggests and actually using a food scale will benefit her a lot. I think the mentality that she was not eating enough is not accurate because she was in fact eating more than a thousand calories. Not to say if op actually was eating that much calories if she was using a food scale would've been a good idea because it's not.
Well you are correct I was not weighing my food I'm still not convinced I was eating more than a thousand calories. I know you don't know me and it's impossible for you to know this but I am OCD and very strict and very particular. If a package is listening had 16 crackers is 120 calories out literally counted out 16 crackers. I did not skimp on things. As a matter of fact I usually over estimated to be safe. If I got two tablespoons of sour cream I usually with track three to make sure I didn't go over. I always overestimate instead of under. And the only way you would really know and could take my word for that is if you knew me at all people that know me know 100% that I mean that but it's true I really do.
But with that being said I am loving the scale weighing ideal I'm looking forward to be more precise and knowing exactly what I'm eating
Love, if you are able to understand German I could show you a thread in another forum that I started some 5 years ago. I said that I was only eating about 1000kcal and that it's so strange that I'm gaining weight. Guess what: I was not. I was eating more than twice that amount, based on the weight I gained between that post and being at my maximum weight (75kg, 169cm). It's so easy to get it completely wrong.
The point is that it's not a generalized narrative that "Fitbits are off". You can track them to real world results and find if you're an outlier and calibrate them as needed.
It's the offhanded comment that I find unnecessary and often unhelpful. Again, it's too generalized. There are a great many of us who find them useful because we know how to work with them.
It's also generalized to conflate exercise burns based on one's own experience with another person's experience (even though I did that in this thread to demonstrate that OP's burns weren't out of the realm of possibility) because burns are dependent on a lot of different mitigating factors that most here aren't accounting for. I find this happens a lot in these threads, and it's a common trope on these boards to be dismissive out of hand without thinking critically about these inherent differences.
How would we go about properly using the Fitbit to get it to be more reliable?
Not being argumentative. Looking to learn and maybe help others with my experience improve theirs. 2 -
If it would help in any way.. My experiences of going from 198 to 175 lbs. First like everyone mentions is caloric intake. But the key to it I've learned is the what kind of caloric intake. I restrain all my carbohydrates to ONLY and very strictly only green vegetables. That's it. No potatoes no rice no bread no nuts of any kind. I do a hybrid approach of ketogenic diet and vegetarian. I only eat 4 ounces of meat a day and one meal that has non fat greek yogurt pushes to 40 grams of protein in one shot. Also I implement intermittent fasting either skipping breakfast or dinner. Now last thing that helped me.. break away from your diet. So what I do here is a ratio of 3:1 of 3 parts dieting and one part of just eating what you normally would (not letting go!) and then back to dieting. So lets say 6 days dieting 2 days normal .. this pushed my weight loss so much at one point I lost almost 6 pounds in one week (scary I know but I felt perfectly normal)
For your situation right now what I would do if I were you is reset your metabolism. I don't know all this mumbo jumbo but try eating normal for a few days while still exercising. Lets say 1600 calories and 200 calories of workout. (take a break!) Hope it helps! I've recently fell off track and might be my final point lol.. DONT STOP! Keep that discipline going it is so very much worth it. Living and feeling great and healthy.. is worth all the discipline required. (also remember 65 ounces of water a day!)
Haha! This has to be a troll post. The woo to legitimate content ratio is approaching infinity here.4 -
baconslave wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Lesscookies1 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm with PAV8888 on this because even if you're not using a food scale and not tracking some things and even if your Fitbit is off (I really wish people would stop pushing this narrative, because a lot of us find them perfectly reliable), you have quite a disparity going.
I get 30K steps a day and know from scale performance just how many calories that can burn, and I weigh less than you, OP. Granted, most of mine are at brisk pace, I don't know what pace your are at and that can affect your burns.
Saying that, we're still talking margins here where you should be in a deficit, and that is my main point. Even with inaccurate logging and possibly less than ideal reporting from the Fitbit, you are still in a deficit, so something else is at play here.
I strongly suspect that you have been eating at deficit too long and are experiencing hormone downregulation and also experiencing water retention from increased activity and raised cortisol.
I also recommend taking a 2 week diet break while eating at maintenance calorie levels, and I recommend that you read the diet breaks thread.
Finally! Lolthank you that's what I was trying to say I didn't know how to say... Even if my fitbit's saying a little more and my calories is a little more I would still been at of deficit... even if ibwas actually eating 1400 instead of 1000 cals and only burning 2500 a day instead of 3500 i am still at a deficit....but i plan to eat a little more and weigh and track hope to see some results.
That doesn't make sense to me. Op was not weighing her food so she didn't have an idea of how much she was actually consuming she thought she was consuming 1,000, but that wasn't true. I think op consuming the calories MFP suggests and actually using a food scale will benefit her a lot. I think the mentality that she was not eating enough is not accurate because she was in fact eating more than a thousand calories. Not to say if op actually was eating that much calories if she was using a food scale would've been a good idea because it's not.
Well you are correct I was not weighing my food I'm still not convinced I was eating more than a thousand calories. I know you don't know me and it's impossible for you to know this but I am OCD and very strict and very particular. If a package is listening had 16 crackers is 120 calories out literally counted out 16 crackers. I did not skimp on things. As a matter of fact I usually over estimated to be safe. If I got two tablespoons of sour cream I usually with track three to make sure I didn't go over. I always overestimate instead of under. And the only way you would really know and could take my word for that is if you knew me at all people that know me know 100% that I mean that but it's true I really do.
But with that being said I am loving the scale weighing ideal I'm looking forward to be more precise and knowing exactly what I'm eating
Love, if you are able to understand German I could show you a thread in another forum that I started some 5 years ago. I said that I was only eating about 1000kcal and that it's so strange that I'm gaining weight. Guess what: I was not. I was eating more than twice that amount, based on the weight I gained between that post and being at my maximum weight (75kg, 169cm). It's so easy to get it completely wrong.
The point is that it's not a generalized narrative that "Fitbits are off". You can track them to real world results and find if you're an outlier and calibrate them as needed.
It's the offhanded comment that I find unnecessary and often unhelpful. Again, it's too generalized. There are a great many of us who find them useful because we know how to work with them.
It's also generalized to conflate exercise burns based on one's own experience with another person's experience (even though I did that in this thread to demonstrate that OP's burns weren't out of the realm of possibility) because burns are dependent on a lot of different mitigating factors that most here aren't accounting for. I find this happens a lot in these threads, and it's a common trope on these boards to be dismissive out of hand without thinking critically about these inherent differences.
How would we go about properly using the Fitbit to get it to be more reliable?
Not being argumentative. Looking to learn and maybe help others with my experience improve theirs.
By either knowing the % you should be eating or by playing with your stats (stride length, height, age) in Fitbit settings until the calories given align with your TDEE calculated from experience. I like numbers to I did the latter, you could simply eat back all step calories and see if your loss aligns with your expected loss and see if you need to eat back less than 100% of them.4 -
Sorry to burst your ~25% vegan bubble, but don't honey graham cookies/crackers have . . . honey?
Nah, my vegan cookie bubble is truly and fully busted!
Honey.
I guess them Bees ain't vegetables!
Who would have thunk it!
As to the rest of it, me thinks that this here @kimny72 keeps showing a remarkable knack for common sense!
Well thanks, but mostly i'm just really good at summarizing other people's wisdom 4 -
Well I got my food scale in. I weighed out my grilled chicken and broccoli for my dinner tonight. And I can already tell I was under estimating the weights. What I thought was a 5.5 oz chicken breast weight in at 7 oz.. and the broccoli what I thought was about 30 calories worth was actually about 55 to 60. So just on those two things I was under estimating a bit probably 100 calories worth but if you do that every night that's 700 calories in a week. Definitely loving the food scale thank you all for the great suggestion.27
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Well I got my food scale in. I weighed out my grilled chicken and broccoli for my dinner tonight. And I can already tell I was under estimating the weights. What I thought was a 5.5 oz chicken breast weight in at 7 oz.. and the broccoli what I thought was about 30 calories worth was actually about 55 to 60. So just on those two things I was under estimating a bit probably 100 calories worth but if you do that every night that's 700 calories in a week. Definitely loving the food scale thank you all for the great suggestion.
Glad to hear you are finding it helpful. It really helped me to tighten things up.2 -
I've seen Dr. Eric Berg talk about what causes this on youtube. Maybe look up some of his videos on the subject.9
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Congratulations on your weight loss! Everyone has plateaus, it will get moving again.
I can do everything right and lose 0 to .5 lbs for a week or two when eating at a 600 calorie deficit a day. That’s when a diet break for one meal reallly, really helps to get things going again. . It’s usually every 4-6 weeks, so it’s not every week, but it helps a lot. Also a rest day or two from exercise can help. I think your body just gets exhausted if you push it too hard and it just needs a break.
I’m down 62 lbs, so I know it works.3 -
nomorefat4 wrote: »I've seen Dr. Eric Berg talk about what causes this on youtube. Maybe look up some of his videos on the subject.
or not - she has already found out she was underestimating all her food! no need to read up on a doctor who is known to be a quack!7 -
Well I got my food scale in. I weighed out my grilled chicken and broccoli for my dinner tonight. And I can already tell I was under estimating the weights. What I thought was a 5.5 oz chicken breast weight in at 7 oz.. and the broccoli what I thought was about 30 calories worth was actually about 55 to 60. So just on those two things I was under estimating a bit probably 100 calories worth but if you do that every night that's 700 calories in a week. Definitely loving the food scale thank you all for the great suggestion.
One other thing. Make sure you are using raw chicken as the weight in MFP, not cooked chicken (unless you are explicitly using cooked chicken in your meal plan). If cooked, that 7 oz chicken breast is probably more like 9 oz of raw meat.2 -
Well I have an update folks. I've lost about 1.2 to 1.6 pounds the last 3 weeks. I'm eating about 1200 to 1300 calories a day. I do do the calorie banking. So on the weekends I do have one day where I'll eat more but then I'll take off calories everydaythroughout the week. So I'm usually banking for the week about 8600 to 8900 calories. Do 30 minutes elliptical and 30 minutes run at 6.5 mph 4 days a week. And 2 days a week I'll do a 30 min HIIT workout and 30 minutes elliptical... And I usually have one day a week where I don't make myself exercise. I got me a charge 2 Fitbit to start getting a more accurate calorie burn with the heart rate monitor. I usually burn 600 calories or so a day in exercise except for the one rest day. I also do some arm workouts with 5lb weights, ab workouts, planks, pushups those vary throughout the week according to how I feel after done my others LOL... I recently found out I couldn't do a pull-up to so been trying to work on that one that is a beast! But I did get the food scale and started weighing my food. So that is what I've been doing and it seems to finally be working. About the time I wrote this is it also about the time I purchased an elliptical and started using it I purchased a food scale started using it. So I'm not sure what exactly has made it start working but I'm just thankful it is. And one and a half pounds a week seems to be a pretty safe speed. I don't know if I was in a plateau or it was the little changes I made maybe a little bit of all of it. But I thank everyone for their help and I wanted to give everyone an update. I'm so excited to finally see the scale inching down again.9
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Completely agree with the diet break comments. I find it gives my losses a kickstart. It’s not like you have to eat a kebab and fries. Maybe try adding a lot more healthy oils each day which would easily use up calories. Handful of nuts, some fresh chopped avocado to top off a homemade chilli con (or non) carne on a baked sweet potato with some cheese, some full fat Greek yoghurt for breakfast or a dessert and maybe a smoked mackerel and new potato salad for lunch.
The oils will make you full, you’ll use a larger amount of calories during the ‘diet break’ but you’ll still feel amazing from eating good quality foods.
Hope you manage to kick start it and well done on your amazing losses so far!0
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