Fatty liver
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curlyshirl wrote: »The ketogenic diet is supposed to be good for getting rid of a fatty liver.curlyshirl wrote: »The ketogenic diet is supposed to be good for getting rid of a fatty liver.
Actually, most of the research I read, was it could make it worse over the long haul. Losing body fat will help get rid of a fatty liver, but all your blood is filtered through the liver, nothing wrong with fat BTW, I am not going to slam it. That being said, a high fat die can cause a fatty liver in research, but I am in the belief that its a high fat, high carb, low protein diet with excess calories that does it.9 -
TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!1 -
psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!
OP isn't 200lbs over weight so that is not a useful comparison.6 -
TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!
OP isn't 200lbs over weight so that is not a useful comparison.
Yes, I know, I was just showing that many MD's have no clue on good weight loss and sometimes give horrid advice.5 -
psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!
OP isn't 200lbs over weight so that is not a useful comparison.
Yes, I know, I was just showing that many MD's have no clue on good weight loss and sometimes give horrid advice.
Getting someone to drop weight quickly when they're 200lbs overweight seems like good advice. 1600 cals isn't loads but a 400lb person can sustain that deficit for a while. Plus, if they aren't weighing accurately they're probably eating more than that anyway.3 -
How high is it? Usually they look for any underlying medical issue. If you’re already at a healthy weight you can’t just decide yo lose fat from your liver. I’ve also been told that weight loss can contribute to fatty liver. Makes no Sense but that’s what they say.7
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TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!
OP isn't 200lbs over weight so that is not a useful comparison.
Yes, I know, I was just showing that many MD's have no clue on good weight loss and sometimes give horrid advice.
Getting someone to drop weight quickly when they're 200lbs overweight seems like good advice. 1600 cals isn't loads but a 400lb person can sustain that deficit for a while. Plus, if they aren't weighing accurately they're probably eating more than that anyway.
Losing weight is a great idea, but at what level and rate is the question. Sure, they can maintain a deficit for a while when grossly obese, but what is the compliance rate? I also bring into account, that many MD's do not even go into quality of nutrients. When someone drops weight that quickly, we know that they lose lean mass like crazy! While losing the weight is all good and well, the loss of lean mass is hard to get back. I will even go into the biggest loser studies done by Kevin Hall in 2016. Of the 14 of 16 contestants that came in for testing, 12 of the 14 had regain most if not all their weight. Yes, I know that they were on TV, and that can be different than real life, but their diets were very similar. Most ate an average of 1200-1400 cals a day to lose weight and went through extensive exercise programs. Maybe if MD's took the time to understand that a slower approach can work just as well, if not better IMHO, people would have the time to learn how to weight, measure, and log accurately.4 -
psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!
OP isn't 200lbs over weight so that is not a useful comparison.
Yes, I know, I was just showing that many MD's have no clue on good weight loss and sometimes give horrid advice.
Getting someone to drop weight quickly when they're 200lbs overweight seems like good advice. 1600 cals isn't loads but a 400lb person can sustain that deficit for a while. Plus, if they aren't weighing accurately they're probably eating more than that anyway.
Losing weight is a great idea, but at what level and rate is the question. Sure, they can maintain a deficit for a while when grossly obese, but what is the compliance rate? I also bring into account, that many MD's do not even go into quality of nutrients. When someone drops weight that quickly, we know that they lose lean mass like crazy! While losing the weight is all good and well, the loss of lean mass is hard to get back. I will even go into the biggest loser studies done by Kevin Hall in 2016. Of the 14 of 16 contestants that came in for testing, 12 of the 14 had regain most if not all their weight. Yes, I know that they were on TV, and that can be different than real life, but their diets were very similar. Most ate an average of 1200-1400 cals a day to lose weight and went through extensive exercise programs. Maybe if MD's took the time to understand that a slower approach can work just as well, if not better IMHO, people would have the time to learn how to weight, measure, and log accurately.
You're arguing with yourself at this point... You said you know of a person who was told to eat 1600, I said that's fine, you're now talking about biggest loser contestants eating 1200 cals...2 -
I'm not huge fan of herbal remedies, but there's evidence that milk thistle is effective in healing and detoxifying the liver.8
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a 10-25% difference? My md stated 1600 cals, but I have read other MD's recommendations that do go that low. I am not even arguing with youTavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!
OP isn't 200lbs over weight so that is not a useful comparison.
Yes, I know, I was just showing that many MD's have no clue on good weight loss and sometimes give horrid advice.
Getting someone to drop weight quickly when they're 200lbs overweight seems like good advice. 1600 cals isn't loads but a 400lb person can sustain that deficit for a while. Plus, if they aren't weighing accurately they're probably eating more than that anyway.
Losing weight is a great idea, but at what level and rate is the question. Sure, they can maintain a deficit for a while when grossly obese, but what is the compliance rate? I also bring into account, that many MD's do not even go into quality of nutrients. When someone drops weight that quickly, we know that they lose lean mass like crazy! While losing the weight is all good and well, the loss of lean mass is hard to get back. I will even go into the biggest loser studies done by Kevin Hall in 2016. Of the 14 of 16 contestants that came in for testing, 12 of the 14 had regain most if not all their weight. Yes, I know that they were on TV, and that can be different than real life, but their diets were very similar. Most ate an average of 1200-1400 cals a day to lose weight and went through extensive exercise programs. Maybe if MD's took the time to understand that a slower approach can work just as well, if not better IMHO, people would have the time to learn how to weight, measure, and log accurately.
You're arguing with yourself at this point... You said you know of a person who was told to eat 1600, I said that's fine, you're now talking about biggest loser contestants eating 1200 cals...
A 10-25% difference? In reality I am not arguing with you that it works, I am just stating, maybe their advice is not the best. The advice for a 6'2" 400 lbs man is different than a 5'2" woman who is 300+ pounds. They might have her on 1200 cals a day. I am stating that the long term results are not the best. There are some studies that show that fast weight loss helps people continue, but from my research reading, results are mixed at best long term.I have also notice, that people who have gastric bypass surgery do better long term. some people would say that because the stomach is now smaller. From what I have read, they are given nutrition advice and many are not allowed to have the surgery until they have had mental health sessions. There is also growing evidence that hormones change as well as the BF set point, but that's another topic all together. They do lose weight at about the same rate as someone exercising and eating VLC I went back to the NIH Body Weight Planner to get an idea of what kind of calories I would have had to eaten to maintain my weight at 400 lbs at my activity level then. It was well over 4000 a day! I have noticed, that a few, I say, a few MD's are now using a multifaceted approach to weight loss. They involve dietitians, mental health, and people who have degrees in exercise science. As stated above, this is all just IMHO.7 -
pootlepootle1972 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Actually mine did! When I started losing weight, my doctor, who was fairly young and into fitness, told a 400lb man to eat 1600 cals a day and exercise heavily! Horrid advice BTW! I also talked to another MD, not mine this time, I left his practice, that said she hands out 1600 cal a day diets to the obese all the time! WOW!
OP isn't 200lbs over weight so that is not a useful comparison.
Yes, I know, I was just showing that many MD's have no clue on good weight loss and sometimes give horrid advice.
Getting someone to drop weight quickly when they're 200lbs overweight seems like good advice. 1600 cals isn't loads but a 400lb person can sustain that deficit for a while. Plus, if they aren't weighing accurately they're probably eating more than that anyway.
Losing weight is a great idea, but at what level and rate is the question. Sure, they can maintain a deficit for a while when grossly obese, but what is the compliance rate? I also bring into account, that many MD's do not even go into quality of nutrients. When someone drops weight that quickly, we know that they lose lean mass like crazy! While losing the weight is all good and well, the loss of lean mass is hard to get back. I will even go into the biggest loser studies done by Kevin Hall in 2016. Of the 14 of 16 contestants that came in for testing, 12 of the 14 had regain most if not all their weight. Yes, I know that they were on TV, and that can be different than real life, but their diets were very similar. Most ate an average of 1200-1400 cals a day to lose weight and went through extensive exercise programs. Maybe if MD's took the time to understand that a slower approach can work just as well, if not better IMHO, people would have the time to learn how to weight, measure, and log accurately.
You're arguing with yourself at this point... You said you know of a person who was told to eat 1600, I said that's fine, you're now talking about biggest loser contestants eating 1200 cals...
And I'm failing to see what the biggest loser has to do with fatty liver?
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TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
He told me to diet. I went on a crash diet. Not good huh?2 -
How high is it? Usually they look for any underlying medical issue. If you’re already at a healthy weight you can’t just decide yo lose fat from your liver. I’ve also been told that weight loss can contribute to fatty liver. Makes no Sense but that’s what they say.
It's 80, normal range is 40 to 50. I'm in a healthy limit already but still got the fat on my liver0 -
pootlepootle1972 wrote: »
No idea. I come in the normal range and work out so clueless0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Saifnasirpk wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Have you used MFP to set your goal calories and started tracking? I'd want to lose these last 5kgs in a slow and controlled fashion. Congrats on getting the first 6kgs off and cleaning up your diet.
I just started using MFP yesterday. I've been dieting 3 weeks now. What I did was cut in between snacks. Porridge for breakfast, a light lunch and a bowl of soup for dinner. You could say I was just having 2 meals a day. And I continued my exercises.
That doesn't sound like enough calories to be sustainable
Yes, I couldn't afford to lose weight slowly and gradually. I had to be more extreme because of the reason why I had to lose it. Basically I have to get low and check if my medical problem still persists.
Your doctor told you to crash diet to lose the weight quickly?
Was just letting someone know, doctors do advise crash dieting. Then using a well known example of a study of crash dieting results. That's all.1
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