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lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't think you did. He was the least willing to accept the NuSI results and suggested it must be false (although at that point he couldn't stop it from being published), and he seems to think that calories are not, in fact, the reason for weight gain.
Taubes engaged in a debate with Alan Aragon and his pseudoscientific drivel was soundly debunked. Afterward, he flat out said that even if science proved him completely wrong, he would never change his mind about his pet theories.
But I expect no less, since Taubes isn't even a scientist. He's nothing more than a journalist by trade, who latched onto an agenda and is making money off selling his books about it.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Eating in a way that resolves over eating is the key to not regaining on any WOE. Counting calories is good at kicking the can down the road where it is LCHF, HCLF, etc. Until the "WHY" of one's overeating is addressed no long term obesity control is likely to happen.
I still do not grasp while some with no credibility seem to have an emotional need to slam others that are named above who have credibility in black and white.
I don't think you're qualified to talk about anyone's "emotional needs."
Nor credibility either.4 -
JustaJoe00 wrote: »I always wonder about people's path. We are all different, but the same. Age, genes, and enviroment effect your physical being. Its an easy equation usually, if you eat more that your body burns you'll gain fat and the body seems to be really good at storing fat. If you can out exercise your intake, great but as we age, it does change.
Age is just one variable out of many that affects metabolism, but none of them affect it to a degree that escapes energy balance. On that end, you can not out train a bad diet. The possibility exists, but it's in no way sustainable without catabolizing tissue to the point of damage.3 -
Well, his book explains why he says that.
You left your statement open-ended. You neither agree nor disagree in your post. You leave it up to the reader to decide whether your ultimate meaning is "Taubes said those prophetic words and we should all heed them" or "What Taubes is saying is so ridiculous, no one should believe him."
Or anywhere in between.
Not saying you did anything wrong - just that you aren't offering any context.4 -
Taubes engaged in a debate with Alan Aragon and his pseudoscientific drivel was soundly debunked. Afterward, he flat out said that even if science proved him completely wrong, he would never change his mind about his pet theories.
But I expect no less, since Taubes isn't even a scientist.
His biography states he graduated with a degree in physics. That doesn't count?1 -
Yes, for me...I eat vegetables as my carbs...I don't feel neglected.0
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Yes for me. I have suffered PCOS for years and this is the only WOE that has addressed my hormonal imbalances and taken me out of risk for Diabetes.
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Taubes engaged in a debate with Alan Aragon and his pseudoscientific drivel was soundly debunked. Afterward, he flat out said that even if science proved him completely wrong, he would never change his mind about his pet theories.
But I expect no less, since Taubes isn't even a scientist.
His biography states he graduated with a degree in physics. That doesn't count?
That would mean he's credible in the area of physics. While physics apply to energy and matter, the crossover to biochemistry and human metabolism becomes a wash since observable forces in nature are not the same as biological function.
Just to clarify, when observing the potential energy stored in granite, scientists observe variable temperature changes in the environment as it applies to an area surrounding the granite, and if a chunk of it were to fall, measuring the force of gravity as a constant with air resistance and wind direction, they can calculate where it would land at a certain velocity, given no other force confounded that measurement.
As we leave earth's atmosphere, the laws of physics no longer apply as we know it, and we now start heading into astrophysics, and further out we get into quantum physics when it just becomes theory since it can no longer be feasible to measure.
The same application of that changes as we reverse that view into a living organism. We have trillions of cells, receptors, gut microbiota, and cascades of hormonal signaling that can influence any one thing based on the cellular energy status of cells or a group of cells. The laws of physics are bound to earth's standards, but physics can't be directly applied to the metabolic and biological process of individualizing one specific reason for the cause of obesity, and by extension, Taubes's sugar theory.
It's the reason why researchers still conduct obesity studies to this day. On top of energy balance, they are still trying to parse through data to find out logical reasons that drive energy balance to an excessive degree, and that spills over not only into biochemistry and biology, but also [organic] chemistry, environment, socioeconomic factors, psychology, disease, current health status, spirituality, morality, education, and other variables. Read any research paper in their methods for choosing subjects, and they have to weed out a qualifying group through the use of multivariate ratings just to get a homogeneous group to represent a certain population.
So, does his degree in physics count? Not really.
I mean, try to figure this out using physics
https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/technical-documents/articles/biology/interactive-metabolic-pathways-map.html
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Yeah, I figured that. I was ... enthusiastically corrected on my use of the term CICO when I first started posted because I thought it referred more to calorie counting.0 -
So, does his degree in physics count? Not really.
Then I guess you can count the rest of us out on this debate too
I'm not a scientist either, I'm just some idiot that lost 140lb.
His physics degree is what it is - he's openly admitted he's not a very good physicist, and that's why he got into journalism. I'd say on that point alone that his physics degree "doesn't count."
My point was that he has more credentials than many who DO call themselves scientists - but there are people who are going to disqualify his opinions because "he's not a real scientist" or whatever. I personally find that view a bit......myopic.
People are going to disqualify his opinions for a ton of reasons. But to disqualify him on the premise that he's not a scientist when he's got a *physics* degree? That's absurd.6 -
So, does his degree in physics count? Not really.
Then I guess you can count the rest of us out on this debate too I'm not a scientist either, I'm just some idiot that lost 140lb.
His physics degree is what it is - he's openly admitted he's not a very good physicist, and that's why he got into journalism. I'd say on that point alone that his physics degree "doesn't count."
My point was that he has more credentials than many who DO call themselves scientists - but there are people who are going to disqualify his opinions because "he's not a real scientist" or whatever. I personally find that view a bit......myopic.
People are going to disqualify his opinions for a ton of reasons. But to disqualify him on the premise that he's not a scientist when he's got a *physics* degree? That's absurd.
Sure, you can get nitpicky and definitively place him in the science field as a scientist.
At this point, it's not necessarily being a degreed science holder, rather the understanding of the field that's being debated. In the case for Taubes v Aragon, it was nutritional science and obesity. Simple enough. In its basic premise, both are degree holders, Taubes with his degree in physics turned journalist, and Aragon with his degree in nutrition science turned gymbro.
But this is the reason why we disqualify Taubes as a credible source of nutrition science.
https://youtu.be/aRCv5RWXWx8
That said, do you need a formal education to lose weight and look good naked? Hell to the no. It's actually seemingly easier, the less you question it and as long as you're getting results, does it even matter? The only time it matters is when you try to explain it to others. It matters even more when you try to write a book and tell the general public how it works. And if you get it mixed up, it's not the end of your sales or career, but when you vehemently deny that you messed up and just pass blame on the misinterpretation to the people who argue against it, you now lose credibility in your character, not just your degree.
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I like keto. And keto definitely likes me.6
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https://mindbodygreen.com/articles/what-is-the-keto-diet-how-do-you-do-it
This MD goes deep into the science of why a Ketogenic Diet is working so well for more and more people these days.19 -
Taubes engaged in a debate with Alan Aragon and his pseudoscientific drivel was soundly debunked. Afterward, he flat out said that even if science proved him completely wrong, he would never change his mind about his pet theories.
But I expect no less, since Taubes isn't even a scientist.
His biography states he graduated with a degree in physics. That doesn't count?
You gonna let a podiatrist do your vasectomy? I mean, they both have degrees, right?
[ETA:] According to the Wikipedia entry on Taubes, he has a BS in Applied Physics, a MS in Aeronautical Engineering and a Master's in Journalism. So maybe he can design an airplane, understand the physics behind why it flies and write a real pretty article about it, but apparently he slept through the part of his physics courses on laws of energy balance.
Dr. Oz has an MD degree, but he's still a woo-peddling quack who has prostituted his credibility in the name of financial gain.9 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://mindbodygreen.com/articles/what-is-the-keto-diet-how-do-you-do-it
This MD goes deep into the science of why a Ketogenic Diet is working so well for more and more people these days.
Stopped at Kim. ugh5 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://mindbodygreen.com/articles/what-is-the-keto-diet-how-do-you-do-it
This MD goes deep into the science of why a Ketogenic Diet is working so well for more and more people these days.
Stopped at Kim. ugh
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