No more soda
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paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »vampirequeen1959 wrote: »Sarcasm is unnecessary. The acid in the Diet Coke attacks the tooth enamel and gums. Bacteria don't know or care if your drink is sweetened with sugar or an artificial sweetening substance. Either way the bacteria will happily take advantage of the weakness in teeth and gums. Given a nice cavity or gap in the gums that makes brushing more difficult, bacteria will thrive leading to decay and/or gingivitis. This information came from my dentist.
My comments regarding withdrawal symptoms are based on personal experience.
Bacteria don't know something is sweet.
Well,sure, single cell organisms dont really know or taste anything.
But acidic substances can be bad for your teeth as can sugar.
The person was insisting though that the bacteria can live off of sweeteners the same as if it was sugar. That's wrong already because of the dose.
Sure - but equally wrong is the idea that diet sodas present no risk to dental health - which some posters seem to be implying.
As with any risk, it can be mitigated - ie with good hygiene, not soaking teeth in substance all day long etc - and as with any risk, it will affect people differently - so the 'Ive drank sodas all my life and my teeth are perfect' posts don't really discount the risk
I am all for diet sodas - and regular sodas if people like them too - in moderation.
But lets not pretend dental risk is not a risk.
For all of your anxiety-making over the acidity of diet soda, there's plenty of other foods just as acidic or more. Sodas are actually somewhat middle of the pack. Are you going to spend as much energy warning of the dental dangers of cranberry juice or white wine?
Some examples:- Diet Coke: 3.39 pH
- Orange juice: 3.30 - 4.45 pH
- Cranberry juice: 2.30 - 2.52 pH
- ACV: pH 3.10 pH
- Snapple tea: 3.20 pH
- Countrytime Lemonade 2.5 pH
- Tomato juice: 4.1 - 4.6 pH
- Wine 3.0 - 3.6 pH
- Milk: 6.4 - 6.8 pH
Agree 100%. But on the flip side, people don't drink anywhere near the quantity of cranberry juice or white wine they do soda.8 -
Packerjohn wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »vampirequeen1959 wrote: »Sarcasm is unnecessary. The acid in the Diet Coke attacks the tooth enamel and gums. Bacteria don't know or care if your drink is sweetened with sugar or an artificial sweetening substance. Either way the bacteria will happily take advantage of the weakness in teeth and gums. Given a nice cavity or gap in the gums that makes brushing more difficult, bacteria will thrive leading to decay and/or gingivitis. This information came from my dentist.
My comments regarding withdrawal symptoms are based on personal experience.
Bacteria don't know something is sweet.
Well,sure, single cell organisms dont really know or taste anything.
But acidic substances can be bad for your teeth as can sugar.
The person was insisting though that the bacteria can live off of sweeteners the same as if it was sugar. That's wrong already because of the dose.
Sure - but equally wrong is the idea that diet sodas present no risk to dental health - which some posters seem to be implying.
As with any risk, it can be mitigated - ie with good hygiene, not soaking teeth in substance all day long etc - and as with any risk, it will affect people differently - so the 'Ive drank sodas all my life and my teeth are perfect' posts don't really discount the risk
I am all for diet sodas - and regular sodas if people like them too - in moderation.
But lets not pretend dental risk is not a risk.
For all of your anxiety-making over the acidity of diet soda, there's plenty of other foods just as acidic or more. Sodas are actually somewhat middle of the pack. Are you going to spend as much energy warning of the dental dangers of cranberry juice or white wine?
Some examples:- Diet Coke: 3.39 pH
- Orange juice: 3.30 - 4.45 pH
- Cranberry juice: 2.30 - 2.52 pH
- ACV: pH 3.10 pH
- Snapple tea: 3.20 pH
- Countrytime Lemonade 2.5 pH
- Tomato juice: 4.1 - 4.6 pH
- Wine 3.0 - 3.6 pH
- Milk: 6.4 - 6.8 pH
Agree 100%. But on the flip side, people don't drink anywhere near the quantity of cranberry juice or white wine they do soda.
Speak for yourself...
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Brookezuni wrote: »45 days clean from my Diet Coke problem. I was a hard core diet soda drinker my entire adult life. I find myself too dependent on sparkling water now, but have been working more and more plain water into the mix. An occasional unsweetened iced tea helps if I'm really dragging.
Trying to make a bunch of radical self-improvements at once (which has been hard), so I'm not sure if giving up the diet soda on it's own has been impactful, but I figure it can't hurt! Good luck!
It may be more impactful on your quality of life 40 years down the road. Keep up the effort.13 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Brookezuni wrote: »45 days clean from my Diet Coke problem. I was a hard core diet soda drinker my entire adult life. I find myself too dependent on sparkling water now, but have been working more and more plain water into the mix. An occasional unsweetened iced tea helps if I'm really dragging.
Trying to make a bunch of radical self-improvements at once (which has been hard), so I'm not sure if giving up the diet soda on it's own has been impactful, but I figure it can't hurt! Good luck!
It may be more impactful on your quality of life 40 years down the road. Keep up the effort.
How so?11 -
I quite all fizzy drinks ect even reduced my coffee and drink only water notice am not as bloated and have more energy1
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I don't see a reason to do that. I drink 0-4 cans a week (250 ml each), so that's a maximum of 20 calories a week and it doesn't feel like a financial vampire - you know, that little stuff that adds up. If I don't drink soda I'm drinking lots of tea, not much difference in total price or calories per cup. I can't see a better financial or caloric deal to switch to.4
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Im in to sparkling water with a little lime. Tastes great & less filling...0
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Packerjohn wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »vampirequeen1959 wrote: »Sarcasm is unnecessary. The acid in the Diet Coke attacks the tooth enamel and gums. Bacteria don't know or care if your drink is sweetened with sugar or an artificial sweetening substance. Either way the bacteria will happily take advantage of the weakness in teeth and gums. Given a nice cavity or gap in the gums that makes brushing more difficult, bacteria will thrive leading to decay and/or gingivitis. This information came from my dentist.
My comments regarding withdrawal symptoms are based on personal experience.
Bacteria don't know something is sweet.
Well,sure, single cell organisms dont really know or taste anything.
But acidic substances can be bad for your teeth as can sugar.
The person was insisting though that the bacteria can live off of sweeteners the same as if it was sugar. That's wrong already because of the dose.
Sure - but equally wrong is the idea that diet sodas present no risk to dental health - which some posters seem to be implying.
As with any risk, it can be mitigated - ie with good hygiene, not soaking teeth in substance all day long etc - and as with any risk, it will affect people differently - so the 'Ive drank sodas all my life and my teeth are perfect' posts don't really discount the risk
I am all for diet sodas - and regular sodas if people like them too - in moderation.
But lets not pretend dental risk is not a risk.
For all of your anxiety-making over the acidity of diet soda, there's plenty of other foods just as acidic or more. Sodas are actually somewhat middle of the pack. Are you going to spend as much energy warning of the dental dangers of cranberry juice or white wine?
Some examples:- Diet Coke: 3.39 pH
- Orange juice: 3.30 - 4.45 pH
- Cranberry juice: 2.30 - 2.52 pH
- ACV: pH 3.10 pH
- Snapple tea: 3.20 pH
- Countrytime Lemonade 2.5 pH
- Tomato juice: 4.1 - 4.6 pH
- Wine 3.0 - 3.6 pH
- Milk: 6.4 - 6.8 pH
Agree 100%. But on the flip side, people don't drink anywhere near the quantity of cranberry juice or white wine they do soda.
NO, but they do swap soda for tea(either sweet or unsweet. And that's just as bad(or worse) than diet soda.6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Brookezuni wrote: »45 days clean from my Diet Coke problem. I was a hard core diet soda drinker my entire adult life. I find myself too dependent on sparkling water now, but have been working more and more plain water into the mix. An occasional unsweetened iced tea helps if I'm really dragging.
Trying to make a bunch of radical self-improvements at once (which has been hard), so I'm not sure if giving up the diet soda on it's own has been impactful, but I figure it can't hurt! Good luck!
It may be more impactful on your quality of life 40 years down the road. Keep up the effort.
How so?
If you would happen to be a person with tooth enamel that was susceptible to erosion, keeping your natural teeth would be nice.
Your dentist will be able to tell if this is an issue.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »vampirequeen1959 wrote: »Sarcasm is unnecessary. The acid in the Diet Coke attacks the tooth enamel and gums. Bacteria don't know or care if your drink is sweetened with sugar or an artificial sweetening substance. Either way the bacteria will happily take advantage of the weakness in teeth and gums. Given a nice cavity or gap in the gums that makes brushing more difficult, bacteria will thrive leading to decay and/or gingivitis. This information came from my dentist.
My comments regarding withdrawal symptoms are based on personal experience.
Bacteria don't know something is sweet.
Well,sure, single cell organisms dont really know or taste anything.
But acidic substances can be bad for your teeth as can sugar.
The person was insisting though that the bacteria can live off of sweeteners the same as if it was sugar. That's wrong already because of the dose.
Sure - but equally wrong is the idea that diet sodas present no risk to dental health - which some posters seem to be implying.
As with any risk, it can be mitigated - ie with good hygiene, not soaking teeth in substance all day long etc - and as with any risk, it will affect people differently - so the 'Ive drank sodas all my life and my teeth are perfect' posts don't really discount the risk
I am all for diet sodas - and regular sodas if people like them too - in moderation.
But lets not pretend dental risk is not a risk.
For all of your anxiety-making over the acidity of diet soda, there's plenty of other foods just as acidic or more. Sodas are actually somewhat middle of the pack. Are you going to spend as much energy warning of the dental dangers of cranberry juice or white wine?
Some examples:- Diet Coke: 3.39 pH
- Orange juice: 3.30 - 4.45 pH
- Cranberry juice: 2.30 - 2.52 pH
- ACV: pH 3.10 pH
- Snapple tea: 3.20 pH
- Countrytime Lemonade 2.5 pH
- Tomato juice: 4.1 - 4.6 pH
- Wine 3.0 - 3.6 pH
- Milk: 6.4 - 6.8 pH
paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »vampirequeen1959 wrote: »Sarcasm is unnecessary. The acid in the Diet Coke attacks the tooth enamel and gums. Bacteria don't know or care if your drink is sweetened with sugar or an artificial sweetening substance. Either way the bacteria will happily take advantage of the weakness in teeth and gums. Given a nice cavity or gap in the gums that makes brushing more difficult, bacteria will thrive leading to decay and/or gingivitis. This information came from my dentist.
My comments regarding withdrawal symptoms are based on personal experience.
Bacteria don't know something is sweet.
Well,sure, single cell organisms dont really know or taste anything.
But acidic substances can be bad for your teeth as can sugar.
The person was insisting though that the bacteria can live off of sweeteners the same as if it was sugar. That's wrong already because of the dose.
Sure - but equally wrong is the idea that diet sodas present no risk to dental health - which some posters seem to be implying.
As with any risk, it can be mitigated - ie with good hygiene, not soaking teeth in substance all day long etc - and as with any risk, it will affect people differently - so the 'Ive drank sodas all my life and my teeth are perfect' posts don't really discount the risk
I am all for diet sodas - and regular sodas if people like them too - in moderation.
But lets not pretend dental risk is not a risk.
For all of your anxiety-making over the acidity of diet soda, there's plenty of other foods just as acidic or more. Sodas are actually somewhat middle of the pack. Are you going to spend as much energy warning of the dental dangers of cranberry juice or white wine?
Some examples:- Diet Coke: 3.39 pH
- Orange juice: 3.30 - 4.45 pH
- Cranberry juice: 2.30 - 2.52 pH
- ACV: pH 3.10 pH
- Snapple tea: 3.20 pH
- Countrytime Lemonade 2.5 pH
- Tomato juice: 4.1 - 4.6 pH
- Wine 3.0 - 3.6 pH
- Milk: 6.4 - 6.8 pH
My anxiety making??? Since when is stating a fact anxiety making??
This thread was about sodas. Yes I know there are other acidic and/ or sugary products that are not good for teeth ( I gave jelly babies as an example )
And yes, I would ' spend as much energy' commenting on the other things in relevant threads on them - sipping orange juice constantly would be poor for teeth too and parents are told not to put children to bed with milk in bottles, because dental risk.
And people have mentioned dental risk in ACV threads.
Not sure why you are getting so defensive about the fact that drinking sodas can be a dental risk.
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You can pry wine "from my cold dead hands"....to quote another poster. haha
I go on soda binges, but I often don't stock it. For instance, when Pepsi has a sale of 4/$10 12 packs, Ill get a variety of diet sodas because....well, sometimes, ya just want a soda!
But then I get soda-ed out and don't purchase them except with fast food combos.
For those that don't do it at all....you have more will power than me. I commend you, brothers and sisters!3 -
Brookezuni wrote: »45 days clean from my Diet Coke problem. I was a hard core diet soda drinker my entire adult life. I find myself too dependent on sparkling water now, but have been working more and more plain water into the mix. An occasional unsweetened iced tea helps if I'm really dragging.
Trying to make a bunch of radical self-improvements at once (which has been hard), so I'm not sure if giving up the diet soda on it's own has been impactful, but I figure it can't hurt! Good luck!
Why would sparkling water be a problem? It's just water that is carbonated. It's practically all my wife drinks.5 -
I still drink more Coke Zero than I should, but moving to club soda and getting a soda stream helped a lot. I like a dash of flavored bitters in the soda stream sparkling water. It's refreshing, hits the bubble craving and still hydrating.
And yes, I know there's nothing "wrong" with diet soda in general, but I was drinking waaaaay too much Coke Zero before, think 6+ cans a day.3 -
I don't drink soda. Actually I avoid most juices too. I prefer water for during the day, coffee first thing in the morning and herbal teas (plain or just with milk) in the evening. My sons ditched soda when they were in HS sports because the coach told them it was bad for athletes, so we stopped bringing it into the house way back then. I don't miss it, but then I was never really a regular drinker even before that.4
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I switched to the bubbly brand sparkling water. Also, BodyArmour has some cane sugar products that are full of vitamins and such. Only 70 calories for 8oz. Might mix with sparkling water. Many flavors.1
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nutrofight wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »vampirequeen1959 wrote: »I gave up Diet Coke about 9 months ago. I was drinking 6 or more cans a day. The withdrawal symptoms were terrible but I ploughed through and it was worth it. Diet coke may not affect your weight loss but it certainly affects your teeth. The bacteria in your mouth can't tell the difference between sugar and sweetners and the acid in the drink attacks the enamel. My teeth and gums have been much healthier recently. Also after the initial withdrawal symptoms I began to feel better in myself. I slept better and my digestive system worked better.
Since the bacteria in your mouth live off of the energy in the sugar and sweeteners don't have energy, you should get your findings to the nobel prize commitee asap, you just solved world hunger and intergalactic space travel in one go.
How can a sweetner like aspartame have no energy, it is a peptide. Do you not count calories from protein?
Because it is so sweet (200-400 times sweeter than sugar) that they can use it in amounts that don't add a significant number of calories to whatever it's added to.2 -
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I am on day 6 of no regular soda (just 1-2 coke zero's/day), and no rockstar punch (was every morning).
I have not killed anyone.
I consider this success. So far.7 -
Congrats on over a week without! It's tough for some. It certainly was for me... the headaches To help get by, I would go the koolaid route. Crystal lite's fruit punch and some other brand's cherry kept me sane. I eventually didn't even think about soda. I upped my caffeine intake with tea to balance it and control the other side effects. Now, I'll drink a coke zero if I'm wanting the fizzies since I think all the "water" options with fizzies or flavor are gross.
Keep it up! It definitely gets easier.0 -
Bubbles were my trigger for soda I discovered (after some trial and error with flavored waters, diet soda, etc).
So, sparkling water takes care of 99% of my soda desires! I go through plenty of sparkling waters, I prefer the ones with a little natural flavor, but found I don't need the sweet side of artificial sweeteners (which I prefer to avoid if I can most of the time).
I still have my coffee every morning, so that kept the headaches at bay.0 -
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nutrofight wrote: »HoneyBadger155 wrote: »Bubbles were my trigger for soda I discovered (after some trial and error with flavored waters, diet soda, etc).
So, sparkling water takes care of 99% of my soda desires! I go through plenty of sparkling waters, I prefer the ones with a little natural flavor, but found I don't need the sweet side of artificial sweeteners (which I prefer to avoid if I can most of the time).
I still have my coffee every morning, so that kept the headaches at bay.
What are flightonutrients?
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nutrofight wrote: »nicolehorn0114 wrote: »nutrofight wrote: »HoneyBadger155 wrote: »Bubbles were my trigger for soda I discovered (after some trial and error with flavored waters, diet soda, etc).
So, sparkling water takes care of 99% of my soda desires! I go through plenty of sparkling waters, I prefer the ones with a little natural flavor, but found I don't need the sweet side of artificial sweeteners (which I prefer to avoid if I can most of the time).
I still have my coffee every morning, so that kept the headaches at bay.
What are flightonutrients?
They are things that cause other nutrients to leave, or "fly" out of you instead of being absorbed, hence flightonutrients. Things like soy and other legumes can be high in them. That might be why cancer is going up in the USA as soy consumption goes up.
You made that up, right?
Do you have a source for this statement?6 -
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nutrofight wrote: »nutrofight wrote: »nicolehorn0114 wrote: »nutrofight wrote: »HoneyBadger155 wrote: »Bubbles were my trigger for soda I discovered (after some trial and error with flavored waters, diet soda, etc).
So, sparkling water takes care of 99% of my soda desires! I go through plenty of sparkling waters, I prefer the ones with a little natural flavor, but found I don't need the sweet side of artificial sweeteners (which I prefer to avoid if I can most of the time).
I still have my coffee every morning, so that kept the headaches at bay.
What are flightonutrients?
They are things that cause other nutrients to leave, or "fly" out of you instead of being absorbed, hence flightonutrients. Things like soy and other legumes can be high in them. That might be why cancer is going up in the USA as soy consumption goes up.
You made that up, right?
Do you have a source for this statement?
http://americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/whole-soy-story
"About two thousand years ago, tofu - the drained curds from cooked, pureed soybeans - became a regular food for monks and assisted their sexual abstinence."
aaand there you have it, folks!5 -
nutrofight wrote: »nicolehorn0114 wrote: »nutrofight wrote: »HoneyBadger155 wrote: »Bubbles were my trigger for soda I discovered (after some trial and error with flavored waters, diet soda, etc).
So, sparkling water takes care of 99% of my soda desires! I go through plenty of sparkling waters, I prefer the ones with a little natural flavor, but found I don't need the sweet side of artificial sweeteners (which I prefer to avoid if I can most of the time).
I still have my coffee every morning, so that kept the headaches at bay.
What are flightonutrients?
They are things that cause other nutrients to leave, or "fly" out of you instead of being absorbed, hence flightonutrients. Things like soy and other legumes can be high in them. That might be why cancer is going up in the USA as soy consumption goes up.
LOL
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I really like having soda water, sometimes with a splash of cordial!0
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