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Oh, and can I just say, as there are 10000’s of fad diets out there, and different types of advise, sometimes it can be confusing for a novices dieter like me.
Many of us were in your shoes. I didn't know *anything* when I started counting calories, I learned as I went along (with lots of generous help from veterans here). It can be very confusing!10 -
Yes OP everything is probably ok in moderation I apologise6
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@WinoGelato thank you! Atleast you understand what I mean!!
I do understand what you meant with your question because I tend to think that most people know that eating nothing but chocolate cake and McDonalds wouldn't be a healthy, filling, approach. I also think that most people are sensible enough to want to find foods that are both nutritious and satiating - but also that they really want to know that they can still eat foods they enjoy (this was the crux of my first response in this thread) and don't have to give them up forever.
The reason the question gets off track is because it is frustrating first of all, that people are lead to believe by companies like Slimming World or any number of for profit weight loss companies that you CAN'T eat foods like this and still be successful. Then, even more frustrating, is that when people try to help explain to you that CALORIES are all that matter for WEIGHT LOSS, a bunch of other posters jump in and insinuate that we are suggesting a person SHOULD eat nothing but McDonalds and chocolate cake and that we are disregarding nutrition and overall health.
This question/topic is one that happens day in and day out around here, but that's also why when you posted multiple threads with the same basic question, people tend to get a little snippy.14 -
Chill peeps
I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that. 18 -
Oh, and can I just say, as there are 10000’s of fad diets out there, and different types of advise, sometimes it can be confusing for a novices dieter like me.
Shut out the noise. Just stick to the basics: calories and sustainability. If sustainability means McDonald's and cake sometimes (for most people that's the case), then that's the healthiest diet for you. Even the best diet in the world, with every morsel designed specifically for your nutritional needs, will not be healthy if you fail to stick to it and it causes you unnecessary stress.7 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I just mean if I’m on a night shift or something am I ok to grab a takeaway if it’s under my allowance? Or have a bit of chocolate or something? I don’t understand why some people are so angry at a question or think they must put other people down over a question? A ‘question’
So you can every now and then, but I would be careful because at least for me, I tend to feel more motivated to stay on track when I am eating more nutritious foods, while things like cake make me spiral into a frenzy of wanting more cake. So if it were a special occasion, sure, have a little cake, but I'd try to find an easier on-the-go option like hardboiled eggs and jerky vs. McD's. I mean, you know yourself better than anyone, but for me, those kinds of foods aren't really worth it. Not because you can't still lose weight and eat them, just because I think they make it harder to keep my head in the game.
And many other people find that restricting things they really enjoy set up tendencies toward binge restrict cycles.
Restricting something you really enjoy is a lot different than getting McDonald's drive-through on your way home from work. I'd rather plan ahead and not do McD's I can barely taste after a long, exhausting day, and save the "something I'd really enjoy" for a day when I can actually enjoy it. Stress eating greasy takeout food is totally different than really savoring the flavor of a favorite food. And if your favorite food IS greasy takeout food, that's great, but this sounded more like an issue of convenience.7 -
catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
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catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
Maybe you should offer why you think a takeaway is unhealthy? That sort of blanket statement is fairly broad and going to be difficult to generalize since takeaway could be a burger and fries from McDonalds, it could be a sub sandwich, it could be a naked burrito bowl from Chipotle, it could be a baked potato and side salad from Wendys... what is unhealthy about any of these things?
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Running_and_Coffee wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I just mean if I’m on a night shift or something am I ok to grab a takeaway if it’s under my allowance? Or have a bit of chocolate or something? I don’t understand why some people are so angry at a question or think they must put other people down over a question? A ‘question’
So you can every now and then, but I would be careful because at least for me, I tend to feel more motivated to stay on track when I am eating more nutritious foods, while things like cake make me spiral into a frenzy of wanting more cake. So if it were a special occasion, sure, have a little cake, but I'd try to find an easier on-the-go option like hardboiled eggs and jerky vs. McD's. I mean, you know yourself better than anyone, but for me, those kinds of foods aren't really worth it. Not because you can't still lose weight and eat them, just because I think they make it harder to keep my head in the game.
And many other people find that restricting things they really enjoy set up tendencies toward binge restrict cycles.
Restricting something you really enjoy is a lot different than getting McDonald's drive-through on your way home from work. I'd rather plan ahead and not do McD's I can barely taste after a long, exhausting day, and save the "something I'd really enjoy" for a day when I can actually enjoy it. Stress eating greasy takeout food is totally different than really savoring the flavor of a favorite food. And if your favorite food IS greasy takeout food, that's great, but this sounded more like an issue of convenience.
Taste preferences are really individualized. The OP specifically asked about McDonalds and Chocolate Cake. Whether she truly enjoys McDonalds or is choosing it out of convenience is a different question. She asked if she can still eat those foods and lose weight, and the answer is yes. She didn't say she wanted to eat nothing but those foods, she is under the impression that she may not be able to lose weight if she eats them because a company like Slimming World has suggested that they can't be part of her plan.
Personally I don't choose McDonalds with other fast food options available, but given the choice between that and hard boiled eggs and jerky, I would definitely go for the McDouble. See, personal preference.11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
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Can I just say I chose McDonald’s at random just to put a point to my question.. if I was going to have a choice it would definitely be a Indian takeaway!! But the chocolate cake was true.. I do like cake..17
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WinoGelato wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
Maybe you should offer why you think a takeaway is unhealthy? That sort of blanket statement is fairly broad and going to be difficult to generalize since takeaway could be a burger and fries from McDonalds, it could be a sub sandwich, it could be a naked burrito bowl from Chipotle, it could be a baked potato and side salad from Wendys... what is unhealthy about any of these things?
Could you explain to me exactly what is nutritious and healthy about a generic McDonald burger and fries?
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catherineroberts87 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
No...context of the overall diet. For the most part I eat very healthfully...tons of veg, couple servings of fruit...lots of legumes and lentils and whole grains along with lean sourced protein (lots of fish) and healthy fats. I also have pizza and movie night with my family most Friday nights. To boot, I workout 5-6 days per week. In the context of the whole, how relevant is the pizza night?
ETA: I don't really do McDonald's, but I occasionally have Wendy's...usually the Mediterranean chicken salad or a baked potato and chili.5 -
catherineroberts87 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
Is there only one thing that you can order at McDonalds? I was under the impression they had a menu with several different choices.
My normal at McDonalds is a McDouble with a diet coke, and I split a small fry with my kids. They also have salads, grilled chicken sandwiches, round eggs, etc if those are more your speed. How are any of those things unhealthy?13 -
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catherineroberts87 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
It certainly can be.
Context.
Dosage.
These two words/concepts are critical in determining healthiness of dietary choices. And, FWIW: there's very little difference as to what happens when eating a Big Mac meal compared to similar "clean" meals - https://bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/hormonal-responses-fast-food-meal.html/. Study here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17536194. As mentioned, you probably don't want every meal to be fast-food, but in the context of OP, it'll almost certainly be fine.
eta: Additionally, I'm truly curious as to why - if it's supposedly unhealthy - why it would ever be OK to eat, even in moderation.7 -
catherineroberts87 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
So you're not talking about "takeaways" as a whole, but McDonald's specifically? I don't recall you stating that earlier. You specifically stated above: "I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways..." But okay, let's move the goalposts and pretend that you were just referring to McDonald's.
Yes, I think it's possible for someone to have a meal from McDonald's that fits within their calorie goals and helps them meet their nutritional needs for the day. Unless you're using some different definition of "healthy, nutritious meal," I would consider that to be a healthy and nutritious meal. Are you using an alternate definition? If so, how do you define it?
Even if you are using an alternate definition, your initial argument was that Slimming World didn't allow it because they were "unhealthy." But now we've established that they allow some candies and you don't know enough about Slimming World to explain why. This leaves your initial argument (McDonald's isn't allowed due to health concerns) on shaky ground.6 -
catherineroberts87 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
Maybe you should offer why you think a takeaway is unhealthy? That sort of blanket statement is fairly broad and going to be difficult to generalize since takeaway could be a burger and fries from McDonalds, it could be a sub sandwich, it could be a naked burrito bowl from Chipotle, it could be a baked potato and side salad from Wendys... what is unhealthy about any of these things?
Could you explain to me exactly what is nutritious and healthy about a generic McDonald burger and fries?
McDouble:
Medium Fries (I usually split one of these with my husband).
They have protein, fat, and carbs in them. It's a bit high in sodium, but in the context of my overall diet - one meal, once every week or two, when we are out running around on a Saturday, is neither going to derail my calorie goals nor hamper my nutrition.
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catherineroberts87 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
Maybe you should offer why you think a takeaway is unhealthy? That sort of blanket statement is fairly broad and going to be difficult to generalize since takeaway could be a burger and fries from McDonalds, it could be a sub sandwich, it could be a naked burrito bowl from Chipotle, it could be a baked potato and side salad from Wendys... what is unhealthy about any of these things?
Could you explain to me exactly what is nutritious and healthy about a generic McDonald burger and fries?
The goalposts keep moving. You first addressed takeaways generically. Then you said you were just talking about McDonald's. Now this McDonald's only sells two things, a burger and fries?11 -
catherineroberts87 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
Maybe you should offer why you think a takeaway is unhealthy? That sort of blanket statement is fairly broad and going to be difficult to generalize since takeaway could be a burger and fries from McDonalds, it could be a sub sandwich, it could be a naked burrito bowl from Chipotle, it could be a baked potato and side salad from Wendys... what is unhealthy about any of these things?
Could you explain to me exactly what is nutritious and healthy about a generic McDonald burger and fries?
First, there are many things you can get at McDonalds, and in general that stuff is made out of the same stuff any other food is made out of. A Wendy's single is a hamburger patty, lettuce, tomato, pickles, ketchup and mayo on a bun, just like if I made a hamburger myself at home.
Second, if I am eating a "healthy" diet at home all week, why would getting a burger and fries for lunch on Friday make me unhealthy? Why would a salad of greens, grilled chicken, tomatoes, and Caesar dressing become unhealthy when put in a plastic takeaway container?
In general, fast food meals tend to be high in calories and sodium, and high in saturated fat, so I wouldn't suggest someone eat them all day every day. But I fail to see how a meal like that every now and then is unhealthy. And you can certainly find calorie-appropriate, fresh, lower fat options in most places now.
IMHO, healthy or unhealthy should apply to overall diet, not individual foods,18
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