Recovering Carbaholic [Keto]
idalor8a
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Hello, I am Idania and I'm a recovering carbaholic
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What is carbaholism? Is it a thing?22
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I didn't know it was a thing either...10
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Step 1 drink whipping cream
Step 2 lots and lots of coconut oil18 -
Carrots are a pretty harmless addiction.15
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I'm pretty fond of vegetables.13
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Try that again in here
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
You might get a friendlier welcome.16 -
Fellow carb-lover here... I tried keto for a year but ended up returning to carbs. Lost all the weight with calorie counting alone and it's been much more sustainable. I don't think I could realistically stick to a diet that forbids fruit, potatoes, beans, lentils, pasta, rice, bread... I prefer enjoying all of them in moderation.
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I'm a carbaholic too, but I have no intention to stop!
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I decided to experiment today with keto. To see if I could actually do it. So far yes of course I've only had breakfast. Maybe I'll keep doing it for a few weeks maybe I'll give up by lunch. Idk time will tell.4
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I love carbs. I know myself well enough to know that if I try to cut out all carbs I will freak out and binge after about three days. So I allow myself the foods I like within my calorie allowance and I am much more successful.25
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I would only do Keto if it already fit my previous lifestyle. It doesn't, it is not simple, and it limits variety which are all things I don't need in my life unless I had a medical reason for it.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »I love carbs. I know myself well enough to know that if I try to cut out all carbs I will freak out and binge after about three days. So I allow myself the foods I like within my calorie allowance and I am much more successful.
What she said8 -
I love my vegetables and still eat them in large quantities, but don't miss the cookies, oatmeal, pizza or anything else I used to crave pre-keto. It's not right for everyone, though and it's not the only way. I did feel like keto was a good option for destroying carb cravings, if that along with weight loss is your end goal.8
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jefamer2017 wrote: »I decided to experiment today with keto. To see if I could actually do it. So far yes of course I've only had breakfast. Maybe I'll keep doing it for a few weeks maybe I'll give up by lunch. Idk time will tell.
I have no problem with experimenting on a short term basis. Just understand that with Keto after a few days there may be a large water loss which will sometimes result in an electrolyte imbalance commonly referred to as the "Keto Flu". You may see a nice drop in the scales but it will be water weight. When you come off of it the water will return. If you are prepared for all of that experiment away.
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100_PROOF_ wrote: »Step 1 drink whipping cream
Step 2 lots and lots of coconut oil
Gotta bullet proof that coffee! LOL3 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I love my vegetables and still eat them in large quantities, but don't miss the cookies, oatmeal, pizza or anything else I used to crave pre-keto. It's not right for everyone, though and it's not the only way. I did feel like keto was a good option for destroying carb cravings, if that along with weight loss is your end goal.
Same. You can take quite a lot of the carbohydrates out of the typical American diet and still have plenty of room left over for fruits and veggies. It’s true that I don’t sit around munching on a whole apple as a snack on keto, but let’s face it: that wasn’t something I’d actually do before keto, either.
Now, instead of having a big salad once in a while and feeling so virtuous that I decide I deserve a cookie to go with it, I eat an avocado, heaping plates of leafy greens, and moderate portions of berries pretty much every day, along with whatever else is lying around that I can squeeze in.
And I have actual self-control around food, which just...was not the case six months ago. It’s not the case when I take weekend breaks, either. People can scoff all they want at the idea of carbs as an addiction, but for some of us they really do seem to function that way.15 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I love my vegetables and still eat them in large quantities, but don't miss the cookies, oatmeal, pizza or anything else I used to crave pre-keto. It's not right for everyone, though and it's not the only way. I did feel like keto was a good option for destroying carb cravings, if that along with weight loss is your end goal.
Same. You can take quite a lot of the carbohydrates out of the typical American diet and still have plenty of room left over for fruits and veggies. It’s true that I don’t sit around munching on a whole apple as a snack on keto, but let’s face it: that wasn’t something I’d actually do before keto, either.
Now, instead of having a big salad once in a while and feeling so virtuous that I decide I deserve a cookie to go with it, I eat an avocado, heaping plates of leafy greens, and moderate portions of berries pretty much every day, along with whatever else is lying around that I can squeeze in.
And I have actual self-control around food, which just...was not the case six months ago. It’s not the case when I take weekend breaks, either. People can scoff all they want at the idea of carbs as an addiction, but for some of us they really do seem to function that way.
But the examples you use don't really support the idea of "carb addiction." An apple is pretty much all carbs, so if you weren't craving apples, it wasn't just a carb craving. If you were eating cookies, remember that most cookies are as much fat as carbs.
I think low carb and keto can be good choices for people (I eat somewhat low carb much of the time and tried keto out of curiosity), but it's a pet peeve that people going on about "carbs" when they don't really mean they are unable to control themselves around carrots or apples or plain potatoes or oats or what not (yes, some people are exceptions, but even so I suspect it's rare to just crave "carbs" and not some specific food item which is more often than not NOT mostly just carbs).
I also think very often people don't realize that going from a poor, uncontrolled (eat what I want when I want it, only control mechanism is occasionally thinking "man, I should try to eat less today") diet to a more planned and healthful one very often DOES result in not feeling so out of control. It's not necessarily "carbs" at all.
And when I briefly tried keto I absolutely stopped doing it mostly because it was late spring and I was thinking about all the in-season fruit I wanted to be eating soon, and missed being able to fit in things like roasted potatoes and a very healthy dish with pasta (and lots of vegetables) and, especially beans and lentils. I was hitting my limit daily with just vegetables and some nuts and plain greek yogurt sometimes, and was doing so despite eating fewer veg when doing keto (and no fruit), but I did eat lots and lots of vegetables before keto.
Anyway, like I said, I agree it can be a pleasant way to eat for some and that it might be more filling for some than other options, but grouping all "carbs" together and framing them as the enemy or problem IMO makes no sense. If someone really does crave "carbs" generically, eating vegetables is not a bad idea or problem to have.
If the issue, instead, is feeling out of control around some specific foods, or overindulging in them, and they often are as much fat as carb, or are very specific carbs and not others, I think it's worth being more precise about that.
Nothing to do with whether or not keto is a good approach. Personally, I like low carbing for the opposite reason, though -- most starchy carbs and sweets are to me easy foods to cut back on and sensible ones for me to cut back on, as I don't miss them much and am satisfied with small portions and they don't satiate me all that much. A meal with just a small portion of starchy carbs or none is just as satisfying, so if cutting calories it's a good way. If I loved carbs (meaning starchy carbs or, I guess, sugary foods, even though they are often high fat too) most of all, I would probably find a different strategy worked better. (And unlike with keto, I can get in all the vegetables I think are desirable plus some fruit or smaller servings of starchy carbs or both without problem when low carbing, as I do it. Couldn't with keto, although that doesn't mean it's not right for others. I tend to have different ideas about how much veg is ideal in a diet than some do, and that was a frustration when I tried keto.)26 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I love my vegetables and still eat them in large quantities, but don't miss the cookies, oatmeal, pizza or anything else I used to crave pre-keto. It's not right for everyone, though and it's not the only way. I did feel like keto was a good option for destroying carb cravings, if that along with weight loss is your end goal.
Same. You can take quite a lot of the carbohydrates out of the typical American diet and still have plenty of room left over for fruits and veggies. It’s true that I don’t sit around munching on a whole apple as a snack on keto, but let’s face it: that wasn’t something I’d actually do before keto, either.
Now, instead of having a big salad once in a while and feeling so virtuous that I decide I deserve a cookie to go with it, I eat an avocado, heaping plates of leafy greens, and moderate portions of berries pretty much every day, along with whatever else is lying around that I can squeeze in.
And I have actual self-control around food, which just...was not the case six months ago. It’s not the case when I take weekend breaks, either. People can scoff all they want at the idea of carbs as an addiction, but for some of us they really do seem to function that way.
I always like when people talk about carb addiction and their examples are thinks like cookies and whatnot that have equally, if not more calories coming from fat.
I've never heard someone complaining that they're addicted to beans and lentils and oats and root vegetables, etc which are all nutritionally good sources of carbohydrates. It's always the cookie as if all carbs are just junk foods.34 -
I could easily over-eat oatmeal, or really any carbs in a bowl, and I can do things to an apple that make it cookie-like, such as slicing it and soaking it in vanilla-flavored stevia and adding cinnamon to it. I love apples, still would eat a small one every now and then, and think apples are healthy. However, it's the apples/sweetness slippery slope that gets me tripped up and going for more caloric and less vitamin-packed choices. I am NOT saying that apples are bad and that people should not eat them. For me, personally, though, reducing sweeter fruits and veggies and avoiding grains has had an impact on my hunger levels and cravings.
I don't want to get into what "addiction" means as eating cookies is hardly injecting heroin. It's more about the impact certain types of food have on my feelings of satiety that I'll say is the reason why I do keto and not just avoid sweets.5 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I could easily over-eat oatmeal, or really any carbs in a bowl, and I can do things to an apple that make it cookie-like, such as slicing it and soaking it in vanilla-flavored stevia and adding cinnamon to it. I love apples, still would eat a small one every now and then, and think apples are healthy. However, it's the apples/sweetness slippery slope that gets me tripped up and going for more caloric and less vitamin-packed choices. I am NOT saying that apples are bad and that people should not eat them. For me, personally, though, reducing sweeter fruits and veggies and avoiding grains has had an impact on my hunger levels and cravings.
I don't want to get into what "addiction" means as eating cookies is hardly injecting heroin. It's more about the impact certain types of food have on my feelings of satiety that I'll say is the reason why I do keto and not just avoid sweets.
And I think this is something that is true for a minority of people (I think small minority from observation, but eh, doesn't matter).
My issue here has NOTHING to do with the meaning of "addiction," but the meaning of "carbs." As I said before, it's a pet peeve that people talk about craving "carbs" when what they mean are specific carbs or, more often than not, specific carbs + fat, and basically ignore or never overeat many other sources of carbs (often the more nutrient dense ones that get treated as if they weren't carbs at all).
If someone just craves carbs, that would be an easy fix -- just eat carrots and brussels sprouts and the like, roasted pumpkin (no sugar added), perhaps a plain potato -- whatever things you consider to add value to your diet and are not too difficult to control the calories from. I can eat raspberries in huge amounts, but the calories don't add up much. Yes, you can make an apple cookie-like (you can make lots of keto desserts too, many on keto seem to eat far more sweet foods than I do), but if you can eat a plain apple and not tend to overeat them (or, like the one poster said, you never even bothered eating apples), then I don't think the issue is carbs.
That does NOT mean that low carb or keto is a bad approach, or that there aren't a few people who do find that eating more than some tiny number of carbs (even nutrient dense ones) cause cravings, sure. But so, so, so often someone complains about "carb" cravings when they don't mean they are craving carrots, but some food that wouldn't be good at all without the fat. I just wish we could be more specific in language and not use "carbs" as if they were all the same or inherently low nutrient foods or a synonym for junk food.
Again, not unsympathetic to the idea that keto can be a great choice for some people, and I like low carbing.9 -
I'd argue that a lot of foods that are easy to over-eat do not have much fat at all, like popcorn, candy corns and jelly beans, fat free ice cream and other fat free treats. Like everything I ever ate between 1995-2000, pretty much!!
But I agree with you--I doubt anyone ever became overweight from eating too many apples.
That said, I've tried many different approaches to losing and maintaining weight, and keto (ie, no/few apples) has been the first one where I don't find myself fighting food demons after the honeymoon phase passed.6 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »FlyingMolly wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I love my vegetables and still eat them in large quantities, but don't miss the cookies, oatmeal, pizza or anything else I used to crave pre-keto. It's not right for everyone, though and it's not the only way. I did feel like keto was a good option for destroying carb cravings, if that along with weight loss is your end goal.
Same. You can take quite a lot of the carbohydrates out of the typical American diet and still have plenty of room left over for fruits and veggies. It’s true that I don’t sit around munching on a whole apple as a snack on keto, but let’s face it: that wasn’t something I’d actually do before keto, either.
Now, instead of having a big salad once in a while and feeling so virtuous that I decide I deserve a cookie to go with it, I eat an avocado, heaping plates of leafy greens, and moderate portions of berries pretty much every day, along with whatever else is lying around that I can squeeze in.
And I have actual self-control around food, which just...was not the case six months ago. It’s not the case when I take weekend breaks, either. People can scoff all they want at the idea of carbs as an addiction, but for some of us they really do seem to function that way.
I always like when people talk about carb addiction and their examples are thinks like cookies and whatnot that have equally, if not more calories coming from fat.
I've never heard someone complaining that they're addicted to beans and lentils and oats and root vegetables, etc which are all nutritionally good sources of carbohydrates. It's always the cookie as if all carbs are just junk foods.
Of course they’re different, but in my own eating experience they’re linked. I’ve never had success limiting myself to unlimited carbs such as lentils, beans, and potatoes—and yes, I’ve tried. When I eat an apple for a snack I WILL eventually eat candy later that same night, not because carbs are all created equal but because my brain’s wiring kind of sucks sometimes. I’m a lifelong binge eater, and I have literally never found a strategy that works for me until I tried keto.
I’m not saying carrots are bad or that everyone should do keto, but cutting MY net carbs down to 10% of my calories has accomplished what decades of “knowing better” has not.
And what I found is that when I cut out sugar and grains and starches, I actually had way more room than I expected for vegetables, and can still enjoy more fruit than I ever got around to eating consistently before (because I’d forget or run out or be in a hurry and granola bars were RIGHT THERE). So it kind of annoys me when I see “I’d do keto if I didn’t, you know, enjoy produce!” because the notion that keto must mean nothing but steak and eggs all day is uncharitable and untrue.7 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Of course they’re different, but in my own eating experience they’re linked. I’ve never had success limiting myself to unlimited carbs such as lentils, beans, and potatoes—and yes, I’ve tried. When I eat an apple for a snack I WILL eventually eat candy later that same night, not because carbs are all created equal but because my brain’s wiring kind of sucks sometimes. I’m a lifelong binge eater, and I have literally never found a strategy that works for me until I tried keto.
I’m not saying carrots are bad or that everyone should do keto, but cutting MY net carbs down to 10% of my calories has accomplished what decades of “knowing better” has not.
And what I found is that when I cut out sugar and grains and starches, I actually had way more room than I expected for vegetables, and can still enjoy more fruit than I ever got around to eating consistently before (because I’d forget or run out or be in a hurry and granola bars were RIGHT THERE). So it kind of annoys me when I see “I’d do keto if I didn’t, you know, enjoy produce!” because the notion that keto must mean nothing but steak and eggs all day is uncharitable and untrue.
What happens if you increase your net carbs back to 15% or 20%? Will you completely revert?
The problem I have with Keto is that it tries to be a blanket solution. We are individuals and our needs vary. Only through experimentation do we know what it takes to control hunger and be satisfied. I think when you control hunger it is much easier to break other food-related habits.10 -
Hello, I am Idania and I'm a recovering carbaholic
Not sure why you referenced Keto in your title - you're considering it or it is working for you?
If you found something that works for you, I'm delighted. Simply reducing carbs from baked goods, and upping protein and fruit worked for me.2 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Of course they’re different, but in my own eating experience they’re linked. I’ve never had success limiting myself to unlimited carbs such as lentils, beans, and potatoes—and yes, I’ve tried. When I eat an apple for a snack I WILL eventually eat candy later that same night, not because carbs are all created equal but because my brain’s wiring kind of sucks sometimes. I’m a lifelong binge eater, and I have literally never found a strategy that works for me until I tried keto.
I’m not saying carrots are bad or that everyone should do keto, but cutting MY net carbs down to 10% of my calories has accomplished what decades of “knowing better” has not.
And what I found is that when I cut out sugar and grains and starches, I actually had way more room than I expected for vegetables, and can still enjoy more fruit than I ever got around to eating consistently before (because I’d forget or run out or be in a hurry and granola bars were RIGHT THERE). So it kind of annoys me when I see “I’d do keto if I didn’t, you know, enjoy produce!” because the notion that keto must mean nothing but steak and eggs all day is uncharitable and untrue.
What happens if you increase your net carbs back to 15% or 20%? Will you completely revert?
The problem I have with Keto is that it tries to be a blanket solution. We are individuals and our needs vary. Only through experimentation do we know what it takes to control hunger and be satisfied. I think when you control hunger it is much easier to break other food-related habits.
Interesting question. I don’t know exactly where the line is, but there’s no margin for me in finding out. I’m getting a satisfying variety of foods with a wide array of nutrients in them now and am content with that; why would I risk a relapse just for the sake of finding out where it happens? I know that when I have my “off” weekends I can maintain control for a few hours; sometimes a full day. By the second day all the familiar binge-y noise is in my head again. By the third I’m eager to dive back into keto so I can shut it up.
I do know that 10% isn’t a hard ceiling. I’m sure my measurements aren’t perfect, and anyway I’ve gone over that for a few hours here and there for social reasons, or because my son wanted me to try something he’s eating, or whatever. But 10% is a good general target that’s been working for me, and, as you say, we’re all individuals. I am an individual for whom keto has been a real gift, and I’m explaining why, so that other people like me might be able to self-identify and consider it as an option. Others might self-identify as NOT like me and steer away. Which I think is more useful than just trying to lure people into it with promises of magical fat-melting, or scare them away by insisting that they’d basically be risking scurvy.4 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Interesting question. I don’t know exactly where the line is, but there’s no margin for me in finding out. I’m getting a satisfying variety of foods with a wide array of nutrients in them now and am content with that; why would I risk a relapse just for the sake of finding out where it happens? I know that when I have my “off” weekends I can maintain control for a few hours; sometimes a full day. By the second day all the familiar binge-y noise is in my head again. By the third I’m eager to dive back into keto so I can shut it up.
I do know that 10% isn’t a hard ceiling. I’m sure my measurements aren’t perfect, and anyway I’ve gone over that for a few hours here and there for social reasons, or because my son wanted me to try something he’s eating, or whatever. But 10% is a good general target that’s been working for me, and, as you say, we’re all individuals. I am an individual for whom keto has been a real gift, and I’m explaining why, so that other people like me might be able to self-identify and consider it as an option. Others might self-identify as NOT like me and steer away. Which I think is more useful than just trying to lure people into it with promises of magical fat-melting, or scare them away by insisting that they’d basically be risking scurvy.
Haven't you have contradicted yourself here? If you are satisfied why do you take "off" weekends? Also, if you are familiar with being "off" you aren't really risking a relapse by experimenting with higher percentages, right? I mean you could always just jump back "on". Personally I would want to know where the lines are drawn. Maybe those social situations and your son having you try things is well within your comfort zone.
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FlyingMolly wrote: »Interesting question. I don’t know exactly where the line is, but there’s no margin for me in finding out. I’m getting a satisfying variety of foods with a wide array of nutrients in them now and am content with that; why would I risk a relapse just for the sake of finding out where it happens? I know that when I have my “off” weekends I can maintain control for a few hours; sometimes a full day. By the second day all the familiar binge-y noise is in my head again. By the third I’m eager to dive back into keto so I can shut it up.
I do know that 10% isn’t a hard ceiling. I’m sure my measurements aren’t perfect, and anyway I’ve gone over that for a few hours here and there for social reasons, or because my son wanted me to try something he’s eating, or whatever. But 10% is a good general target that’s been working for me, and, as you say, we’re all individuals. I am an individual for whom keto has been a real gift, and I’m explaining why, so that other people like me might be able to self-identify and consider it as an option. Others might self-identify as NOT like me and steer away. Which I think is more useful than just trying to lure people into it with promises of magical fat-melting, or scare them away by insisting that they’d basically be risking scurvy.
Haven't you have contradicted yourself here? If you are satisfied why do you take "off" weekends? Also, if you are familiar with being "off" you aren't really risking a relapse by experimenting with higher percentages, right? I mean you could always just jump back "on". Personally I would want to know where the lines are drawn. Maybe those social situations and your son having you try things is well within your comfort zone.
I’ve gone 25 years bingeing on a daily basis, or close. More recently, I’ve gone 5.5 months without a single unplanned “treat.” I have no guilt or shame related to eating anymore, and I’ve lost 25 pounds.
You can nitpick my logic all you want, but results talk. I take a weekend off once a month or so around holidays and major events, to make life easier and to make sure I don’t begin to feel deprived. As I said, by the end of each one it’s a relief to return to keto, which I probably would’ve just done decades ago and avoided all this angst if I'd known about it back then.7 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I love carbs. I know myself well enough to know that if I try to cut out all carbs I will freak out and binge after about three days. So I allow myself the foods I like within my calorie allowance and I am much more successful.
Not only that.....and I speak from experience....your gym performance would SUCK!
I did Keto for several months. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. But, do some heavy deadlifts. C'mon! I dare ya! LOL! I do not bash carbs at all but I have a higher A1C so Keto made total sense. My body just does not respond well to carbs. Dang it! So, after having less than stellar gym performance I am doing Carb Timing.......I ingest brown rice and sweet potatoes before and after my training sessions. I get about 120g of Carbs a day (I am 51, stand 6'0" and weigh 210lbs....and do Power Lifting). So, not a lot of Carbs at all, but one heck of a lot more than the 25g or so that I was getting while doing "Strict Keto".
I think that we all need to know our bodies and what works and what does not work. So, because of the high A1C that I have if I decide that I am going to do Keto then that is my choice. General comment there, folks. That does not work too well with some other goals that I have. So, I experiment. Shoot! Isn't life one big experiment?
Anyway, just my $1.98 worth! I get paid by the letter used! LOL!4 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I'd argue that a lot of foods that are easy to over-eat do not have much fat at all, like popcorn, candy corns and jelly beans, fat free ice cream and other fat free treats. Like everything I ever ate between 1995-2000, pretty much!!
Yeah, I'm sure it's really specific to the individual, but I suspect very few if any people just "crave carbs" and not specific foods, many of which have macros other than carbs.
Personally, I could not overdo popcorn without at least a little fat and salt, think candy corns are disgusting, can take or leave jelly beans and don't tend to overeat any sugar only kinds of candies (and certainly do not crave them), have zero interest in fat free ice cream (whereas I know from doing keto that I can overdo homemade no sugar and low carb ice cream), etc.
But again the bigger point is that if cravings were so vague as "carbs" you could fill it with some brussels sprouts and not worry too much about it screwing up your goals.1 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »FlyingMolly wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I love my vegetables and still eat them in large quantities, but don't miss the cookies, oatmeal, pizza or anything else I used to crave pre-keto. It's not right for everyone, though and it's not the only way. I did feel like keto was a good option for destroying carb cravings, if that along with weight loss is your end goal.
Same. You can take quite a lot of the carbohydrates out of the typical American diet and still have plenty of room left over for fruits and veggies. It’s true that I don’t sit around munching on a whole apple as a snack on keto, but let’s face it: that wasn’t something I’d actually do before keto, either.
Now, instead of having a big salad once in a while and feeling so virtuous that I decide I deserve a cookie to go with it, I eat an avocado, heaping plates of leafy greens, and moderate portions of berries pretty much every day, along with whatever else is lying around that I can squeeze in.
And I have actual self-control around food, which just...was not the case six months ago. It’s not the case when I take weekend breaks, either. People can scoff all they want at the idea of carbs as an addiction, but for some of us they really do seem to function that way.
I always like when people talk about carb addiction and their examples are thinks like cookies and whatnot that have equally, if not more calories coming from fat.
I've never heard someone complaining that they're addicted to beans and lentils and oats and root vegetables, etc which are all nutritionally good sources of carbohydrates. It's always the cookie as if all carbs are just junk foods.
Of course they’re different, but in my own eating experience they’re linked. I’ve never had success limiting myself to unlimited carbs such as lentils, beans, and potatoes—and yes, I’ve tried. When I eat an apple for a snack I WILL eventually eat candy later that same night, not because carbs are all created equal but because my brain’s wiring kind of sucks sometimes. I’m a lifelong binge eater, and I have literally never found a strategy that works for me until I tried keto.
I’m not saying carrots are bad or that everyone should do keto, but cutting MY net carbs down to 10% of my calories has accomplished what decades of “knowing better” has not.
And what I found is that when I cut out sugar and grains and starches, I actually had way more room than I expected for vegetables, and can still enjoy more fruit than I ever got around to eating consistently before (because I’d forget or run out or be in a hurry and granola bars were RIGHT THERE). So it kind of annoys me when I see “I’d do keto if I didn’t, you know, enjoy produce!” because the notion that keto must mean nothing but steak and eggs all day is uncharitable and untrue.
This kind of thing just makes me think you didn't eat many fruits or veg before, and that therefore you aren't really comparing keto to a planned, nutrient dense non keto diet.
When I did keto I had to cut down the amount of veg I ate (and I could not eat any fruit or beans/lentils) even aiming for around 35 net (around 65 total) carbs. It is true that I like to eat a variety of non starchy veg (cauliflower and broccoli and brussels have more carbs than some others, I am not actually super into carrots so they weren't my problem), and it is also true that I love veg and consider them really important and routinely eat about 10-12 servings if not trying to hit super low carb numbers.
My bigger issue was the fruit, which I could not fit in at all (other than some avocado), and that I was even stressing about nuts and plain greek yogurt.) I also think beans and lentils are really affirmatively good foods to eat and had to cut them out. And this idea that one wouldn't eat fruit pre keto is something I don't relate to at all, I love fruit.
NOT saying it's not a good diet if you enjoy it, but it's simply true that this is one of the drawbacks for some people, and if you are starting from a different place re produce consumption, maybe that's the issue.2
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