Keto and Intermittent fasting is working!
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fuzzydogpa wrote: »It's the only way of eating that works for me and helps me shed body fat quickly. I'm surprised how few actually understand the hormonal role of insulin in weight gain and weight loss. Insulin is the fat storage hormone and is spiked highest when we eat carbs and high levels of protein but not when we eat fats. It also blocks the fat burning hormone in our bodies. When we reduce carbs and our frequency of eating then it drives our insulin levels low and that triggers our fat burning hormone to start releasing fat from our body fat stores for energy. Many people who struggle to lose weight and who gain it easily when they eat carbs are insulin resistant like myself. Type 2 diabetes runs in my family and I have avoided it by maintaining this way of eating. Dr. Jason Fung does a great job explaining this process on you-tube.
Except that Fung’s crackpot pseudoscientific theories have been completely debunked by reputable researchers who actually understand the subject and aren’t just being controversial to sell books and earn fame.
Fung is a laughingstock in the evidence-based research world. He’s the poster child for how to cherry pick research and twist results to fit his agenda.
Intermittent fasting and keto work the same way any other diet does for weight loss. If you eat less calories than you burn, in whatever way one chooses to do it, you lose weight.
[ETA:] It would seem that you don't actually understand the hormonal role of insulin in weight gain and weight loss (which is not at all surprising if you've been relying upon Fung's drivel). Here is an unbiased, evidence-based research review by James Krieger (with plenty of peer-reviewed research linked) regarding what insulin actually is and what it does: https://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
And here is an evidence based review which scientifically debunks Fung's theories: https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/
To add to this for people who won't read the links: the function of insulin outside of the context of caloric balance is meaningless.5 -
NickyGee2015 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
I just want to say, you win that. Couldn’t have said it better. I’ve done Calorie counting at different numbers and it didn’t work for me. But I’m doing keto and every second day fasting, same calorie count and I’ve lost 40 pounds so whatever that means. Woo me all ya want but look at my progress pics. Proof is there, there is science on both sides. Maybe we’re not all the same could you imagine that!?! Or is that too frightening to think what you believed in may be a little wrong, kinda like when everyone thought the earth was flat and found out it was round.
No, there is not "science" on both sides.
There are half truths on one side and actual research on the other.
You think you're the one who's promoting the round earth when in fact you're the flat-earther.7 -
mutantspicy wrote: »I don't think skeptics are afraid of keto and IF. Skeptics are skeptical because its not the kinda diet that looks sustainable over the long term. How long can a person maintain a diet like this? For me it looks like a recipe for diarrhea and other digestion issues. Namely because extremely low cal diets are also extremely low in fiber. Also, where do you get energy from? How do you work out? So yeah I don't know anything about it, but from a birdseye view I wouldn't consider this to be a realistic life plan. And that's most people who have been at this for long are looking for, a sustainable diet plan. Unless you're a model cutting for photo shoot I don't get the point of keto and IF. You can easily drop pounds on a healthier balanced high fiber diet, because its hard eat enough calories in a day fiber is filling. CARBS are not satan.
Skeptics are skeptical of lies about why low carb diets work. Full stop.
If someone makes any claim other than they work because you create a calorie deficit and that the macro mix is one a particular individual finds satisfying and satiating? They're wrong.6 -
Wow... I was so excited to search this community and find others embarking on a Keto journey. This is the first thread I opened and I really hope that not every thread is like this.
If Keto isn't your thing, why don't you just move on to a thread that aligns with YOUR goals and YOUR ideas of nutrition.
You go OP - and hopefully you are on a thread where we can share successes and ideas without others wasting our time.16 -
thecalidiva wrote: »Wow... I was so excited to search this community and find others embarking on a Keto journey. This is the first thread I opened and I really hope that not every thread is like this.
If Keto isn't your thing, why don't you just move on to a thread that aligns with YOUR goals and YOUR ideas of nutrition.
You go OP - and hopefully you are on a thread where we can share successes and ideas without others wasting our time.
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L1zardQueen wrote: »thecalidiva wrote: »Wow... I was so excited to search this community and find others embarking on a Keto journey. This is the first thread I opened and I really hope that not every thread is like this.
If Keto isn't your thing, why don't you just move on to a thread that aligns with YOUR goals and YOUR ideas of nutrition.
You go OP - and hopefully you are on a thread where we can share successes and ideas without others wasting our time.
Welcome to the MFP forums!
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So, I am not an expert. I do not think that I am smarter than anyone else. Shoot....I *KNOW* that I am not the sharpest tool in the tool shed! :-)
But, I can - and will - say the following:
*I have higher A1C so I tried Keto - and loved it (maybe I will write a song about this).
*I did indeed combine Keto with IF.
*I absolutely love Carbs!
*I also absolutely love Fats!
*My training sessions SUCKED big time while doing Keto.
*I recently stopped doing Keto (see the above as to why).
So, if the OP is doing Keto and it is working then let's all celebrate! Hey, whatever works, right? And, since everyone knows that we are all different, we *should* all know that what works for me might not work for you.
Anyway, I am not 100% done with Keto. I truly did THOROUGHLY enjoy the Keto way. I am not done with it. Not yet. My contention is that we should be supportive of anyone and everyone who is having success. Just because that success looks different for him or for her does not mean that it is wrong.
I will say it - there are a lot of ignorant people out there who try this and that without any reason other than "Brad Pitt does this....and look at him". Or, they read the rags in the Grocery Store as they check out and see all of the Head Lines - loose weight with the <insert diet name here> Diets, fast and easy. Total and complete sheep and super ignorant! And, folks - not being ugly with that. Just being honest.
My contention is that MyFitnessPal forums can educate and reduce that level of ignorance and stop some of the 'blind sheep following' that we humans are seemingly so good at doing. And do that in a non-judgemental way. Sure, we all judge. All the time. But let's help each other.....not cut each other down (very general comment).
Anyway, not sure if this adds any value. Keto is super awesome and very useful for people with certain issues. It becomes a life-style for them. See that? Life-style....not "diet". So, for some people it is really a very useful and necessary thing. But it is VERY restrictive (no carbs is harder than you think....) and can prevent challenges for folks and since adherence is important for anything to be successful it might not be the right choice for most people.
Anyway, let's support people and their victories! As long as they are not doing anything that is short-term good and long-term bad......3 -
NickyGee2015 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
I just want to say, you win that. Couldn’t have said it better. I’ve done Calorie counting at different numbers and it didn’t work for me. But I’m doing keto and every second day fasting, same calorie count and I’ve lost 40 pounds so whatever that means. Woo me all ya want but look at my progress pics. Proof is there, there is science on both sides. Maybe we’re not all the same could you imagine that!?! Or is that too frightening to think what you believed in may be a little wrong, kinda like when everyone thought the earth was flat and found out it was round.
Exact same calories. Even on the fasting days? I love the condescension as you speak about how people have different opinions and that we should respect that.
Also.. there is still a very large following of people who do not believe it is round. One argument is if Antarctica isn't the end of the world why aren't civilians allowed to fly planes over it.
Soooo. And not 10 years ago the common sense belief was to lose fat you can't eat fat, then no carbs after 6pm followed by no eating at all after 9pm-12. So you know. Things change.
But...my whole point. Was. That things change. Some people are afraid of change because it’s different than what they know and most people fear what they don’t know. It’s disgusting to see how many people bash others for making a decision based on something that works for them. It’s okay to be skeptical. I was with keto at first but I gave it a shot. Did lab work, tried it out with clients. Like I put in a lot of works and I’m still learning about it. So when someone tells me like no that doesn’t happen or you’re wrong...I’ll admit it triggers me but I also understand why people attack it, because I once was skeptical about it.
As for the flat earthers. Even tho I believe that the world is round. I still have a slight open piece of mind for a possibility that it isn’t. I’ve seen all the theories and stuff.
I just wish people weren’t so stubborn.10 -
thecalidiva wrote: »Wow... I was so excited to search this community and find others embarking on a Keto journey. This is the first thread I opened and I really hope that not every thread is like this.
If Keto isn't your thing, why don't you just move on to a thread that aligns with YOUR goals and YOUR ideas of nutrition.
You go OP - and hopefully you are on a thread where we can share successes and ideas without others wasting our time.
@thecalidiva try the low Carber daily or Keto MFP groups. The discussions are more about support and info rather than a debate on why do Keto. Most Keto threads go this way. Lol
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Hey folks - this is not the debate section. If you want to debate the merits of keto, take it there. Further attempts to debate keto in THIS thread (which, I'll remind you, is in the Food and Nutrition forum, not the debate forum) will result in warnings for trolling if they come to my attention. It's Friday. I'd like to chill and be kind and gentle. Don't make me angry.
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I think (for any woe) if it's practitioners don't claim things that are untrue and stick to either opinions or facts actually supported by the balance of scientific evidence, nobody (or very few people) has an issue.
It's when they make claims not supported by science that they push as fact that people disagree. This goes for any woe, but is doubly true for whatever way of eating is the current most talked about one (which at the moment is keto). It's no different, really, than people who say metabolic damage is real getting challenged (even in the food and nutrition forum).0 -
thecalidiva wrote: »Wow... I was so excited to search this community and find others embarking on a Keto journey. This is the first thread I opened and I really hope that not every thread is like this.
If Keto isn't your thing, why don't you just move on to a thread that aligns with YOUR goals and YOUR ideas of nutrition.
You go OP - and hopefully you are on a thread where we can share successes and ideas without others wasting our time.
Sorry that your enthusiasm for Keto was nearly extinguished. As someone said, most Keto conversations do go this way. I did Keto, loved it, my gym performance suffered, am now doing something different *BUT* absolutely loved the Keto way. There is a lot of "funny information" out there about Keto and a lot of incorrect notions. Anyway, there is a Low Carb group (I am a part of it) and a few other more Keto-friendly (not sure that is the way to put it....so please give some latitude on that phrase) places.
I have still not decided if I am going to follow a modified Keto and do something different. But, not the point here. If Keto works for you and you are interested, lots and lots of good information out there. Problem is, it is really hard to find (because of the shear volume of info). I will provide a link to the low carb group....brb!0 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »
Hey folks - this is not the debate section. If you want to debate the merits of keto, take it there. Further attempts to debate keto in THIS thread (which, I'll remind you, is in the Food and Nutrition forum, not the debate forum) will result in warnings for trolling if they come to my attention. It's Friday. I'd like to chill and be kind and gentle. Don't make me angry.
If you feel a post is in violation of community guidelines, please use the Flag/Report feature at the bottom of the post in question to report it to the moderation team.
Em
yeah it's friday..a darn good one too. Let's all just eat and be happy and get along.0 -
thecalidiva wrote: »Wow... I was so excited to search this community and find others embarking on a Keto journey. This is the first thread I opened and I really hope that not every thread is like this.
If Keto isn't your thing, why don't you just move on to a thread that aligns with YOUR goals and YOUR ideas of nutrition.
You go OP - and hopefully you are on a thread where we can share successes and ideas without others wasting our time.
@thecalidiva - here you go (as promised): https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group0 -
Good for you, I hope you reap the rewards of a healthy eating diet with health benefits! Ignore the negative or sarcastic posts. We all know keto helps you eat in a deficit intuitively! Hopefully you will feel the benefits of cutting back on oxidising foods and high inflammatory foods. Good luck7
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Good for you, I hope you reap the rewards of a healthy eating diet with health benefits! Ignore the negative or sarcastic posts. We all know keto helps you eat in a deficit intuitively! Hopefully you will feel the benefits of cutting back on oxidising foods and high inflammatory foods. Good luck
Ooh, ooh, are we playing woo bingo??4 -
LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »thecalidiva wrote: »Wow... I was so excited to search this community and find others embarking on a Keto journey. This is the first thread I opened and I really hope that not every thread is like this.
If Keto isn't your thing, why don't you just move on to a thread that aligns with YOUR goals and YOUR ideas of nutrition.
You go OP - and hopefully you are on a thread where we can share successes and ideas without others wasting our time.
@thecalidiva - here you go (as promised): https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
Here's the other group.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/1143-keto0 -
@Tennisdude2004
My friend swears that eating keto and Paleo helped him get rid of his double chin.
I tried explaining that a calorie deficit is what caused the double chin to disappear but he swears it was magical. Do you have any input on the double chin debacle?2 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »@Tennisdude2004
My friend swears that eating keto and Paleo helped him get rid of his double chin.
I tried explaining that a calorie deficit is what caused the double chin to disappear but he swears it was magical. Do you have any input on the double chin debacle?
Generally speaking, weight loss is Calories in Calories out. You find your maintenance caloric intake and you either reduce or increase (depending on your goals).
Generally speaking, if you want to cut (loose weight, loose body fat - there is actually a difference) you would decrease your caloric intake about 500 calories a day (or, 3,500 calories a week) to loose one pound. Or, increase your caloric intake about 500 calories a day (or, 3,500 calories a week) to gain one pound.
That is how things go - for most people.
Generally speaking, this is all that matters for weight gain | weight loss: Calories in Calories out. No matter the macros. It is all about calories. Very general comment.
Now, for some people there are additional things to consider. Again, very general comment. We are learning a lot more about metabolic compensation and metabolic syndrome. I am not an expert so those with more knowledge and experience may disagree.
So, does Keto or Paleo provide some magic bullet that *MAKES* you loose weight? No. For most people. Maybe it strongly contributes for some. But, very likely the answer is eating in a caloric deficit.....and maybe those two lifestyles assisted HIM/HER. I would suggest this....we are all different and if something works for someone then cool! As long as it is sustainable for HIM/HER......
But, no - not likely any magic bullet there. Generally speaking.
For full transparency, I am playing with the Keto lifestyle as I have high A1C. So, there is a medial reason for this.
And, please please please let's not turn this into a "bash on this" or "bash on that" post. There are lots of options out there. Keto and Paleo do work for some. Let's celebrate their success!0 -
LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »@Tennisdude2004
My friend swears that eating keto and Paleo helped him get rid of his double chin.
I tried explaining that a calorie deficit is what caused the double chin to disappear but he swears it was magical. Do you have any input on the double chin debacle?
Generally speaking, weight loss is Calories in Calories out. You find your maintenance caloric intake and you either reduce or increase (depending on your goals).
Generally speaking, if you want to cut (loose weight, loose body fat - there is actually a difference) you would decrease your caloric intake about 500 calories a day (or, 3,500 calories a week) to loose one pound. Or, increase your caloric intake about 500 calories a day (or, 3,500 calories a week) to gain one pound.
That is how things go - for most people.
Generally speaking, this is all that matters for weight gain | weight loss: Calories in Calories out. No matter the macros. It is all about calories. Very general comment.
Now, for some people there are additional things to consider. Again, very general comment. We are learning a lot more about metabolic compensation and metabolic syndrome. I am not an expert so those with more knowledge and experience may disagree.
So, does Keto or Paleo provide some magic bullet that *MAKES* you loose weight? No. For most people. Maybe it strongly contributes for some. But, very likely the answer is eating in a caloric deficit.....and maybe those two lifestyles assisted HIM/HER. I would suggest this....we are all different and if something works for someone then cool! As long as it is sustainable for HIM/HER......
But, no - not likely any magic bullet there. Generally speaking.
For full transparency, I am playing with the Keto lifestyle as I have high A1C. So, there is a medial reason for this.
And, please please please let's not turn this into a "bash on this" or "bash on that" post. There are lots of options out there. Keto and Paleo do work for some. Let's celebrate their success!
A couple of questions regarding the bolded. Based on your user name, I'm assuming you are working out with intensity multiple times per week? What is your weight status compared to goal? Overweight? At goal?
I ask because I was prediabetic at one point. The counsel of my D.O. (Osteopathic Doctor), was weight loss and intense exercise. He suggested lower carbs some but not to keto levels. Worked like a charm! 6 month and 14 lbs later, ideal BG and A1c numbers. Have kept the weight off and stayed on the exercise path.
I never and still don't eat keto but I tend to naturally eat lower carb. Eg. around 100 to 150 grams per day. Sometimes more, rarely less. It just my preference but I recall seeing some research that was indicative of lower carbs can help BG and A1c. Didn't need to be to keto levels though. Also, higher fiber.
So, I am curious about the details of your situation if you are comfortable sharing them.0
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