It’s all about calorie deficit, got it! But....
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It sounds like thyroid and as Lyrica7 stated above, further testing may be required.2
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Update on meal service! I’ve only done two of the meals so far but they are shockingly accurate.
First one was stated as 800 calories per serving. I omitted the walnuts (just preference) and mine was 784 per serving after weighing everything. If I included the walnuts it would have been 854.
Second was stated as 570 per serving and after weighing everything mine came to 574 per serving.
I did gain 0.4 again this week and I’m realizing I ate out a bit more than usual this week. I can’t avoid eating out due to my job (lots of working lunches and business meetings) but since the reported calories could be WAY off the actual I’m thinking of logging my meals as multiple. Meaning if I eat one restaurant meal I’ll find it on MFP and log it as 1.5 or maybe even 2 servings. Thoughts?
I feel like I MUST be logging wrong and if the meal service isn’t to blame it HAS TO be the restaurant meals.2 -
Update on meal service! I’ve only done two of the meals so far but they are shockingly accurate.
First one was stated as 800 calories per serving. I omitted the walnuts (just preference) and mine was 784 per serving after weighing everything. If I included the walnuts it would have been 854.
Second was stated as 570 per serving and after weighing everything mine came to 574 per serving.
I did gain 0.4 again this week and I’m realizing I ate out a bit more than usual this week. I can’t avoid eating out due to my job (lots of working lunches and business meetings) but since the reported calories could be WAY off the actual I’m thinking of logging my meals as multiple. Meaning if I eat one restaurant meal I’ll find it on MFP and log it as 1.5 or maybe even 2 servings. Thoughts?
I feel like I MUST be logging wrong and if the meal service isn’t to blame it HAS TO be the restaurant meals.
gaining fat or water weight though? even if the calories are right, you will probably gain weight from a couple of restaurant meals due to the amount of sodium3 -
How big is your paper deficit? How long have you been dieting or cutting?0
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Are you consuming grains and sugars? I would look into some intermittent fasting and a primal type diet. High fat/ protein and low carb. Read 21 day keto reset by Mark Sisson and Primal Blueprint.
Also DR Jason Fung - Fasting37 -
ericraucci1 wrote: »Are you consuming grains and sugars? I would look into some intermittent fasting and a primal type diet. High fat/ protein and low carb. Read 21 day keto reset by Mark Sisson and Primal Blueprint.
Also DR Jason Fung - Fasting
so much no...4 -
ericraucci1 wrote: »Are you consuming grains and sugars? I would look into some intermittent fasting and a primal type diet. High fat/ protein and low carb. Read 21 day keto reset by Mark Sisson and Primal Blueprint.
Also DR Jason Fung - Fasting
Regardless of what Mr Fung says, grains and sugars are not bad for the body as long as total energy intake/expenditure is managed correctly. Also, IF is not magical when it comes to weight loss - lots of people have been doing 'IF' since way before somebody slapped a fancy label on it and decided to tout it as the latest miracle for weight loss - except back then we just called it skipping meals.6 -
Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.
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ericraucci1 wrote: »Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.
Excuse me? The human body has evolved for over 10,000 years to use glucose as the preferred energy source. There are organs within your body (the thyroid for one) that can ONLY run on glucose. Insulin is not the boogey man - you do realize that protein consumption causes an insulin reaction as well as carb consumption...7 -
Hi, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I've been doing some maths, and I really don't think you're eating as little as you think you are. I've gone back to the 22nd of April (an arbitrary amount of just over a month) and your statement of eating between 1200 -1300 a day is just not accurate. This may be your problem.
Here are the numbers for you:
Total days: 33
- Only 13 days counted under 1300, that's less than 40% total days.
- 3 of these were under 1000 kcal and I somewhat doubt that they're completely accurate.
- 4 of the days when you were between 1100 and 1300 you logged meals eaten out (or takeout).*
- 4 days (12%) of your days were over 1700 with 2 of those days were over 2100
- 4 days were unlogged. I assume these were bad days (because they're the ones I'm bad at logging).
*Personally I find MFP tends to underestimate meals out, from what I would expect, so I don't take these numbers as accurate.
I hope that these hard numbers help you realise your problem. You are eating many more calories than you think. Having the occasional off day from your target should be fine, but you're having more than the occasional day off. Out of the 33 days you're over your MFP target 9 times, that's about twice a week (and that's not counting the non logged days). And remember that eating out probably has more calories than you're accounting for. In addition I don't see anything like condements or frying oil or anything like that. They may only seem like a little bit here and there, but a blob of mayo or ketchup adds up.
Hope this helps you out.11 -
Foods like grains, sugar and soy may not be bad for the majority of the population but there are many who do have problems digesting them. Please just because you are fortunate enough not to have an issue with these foods do not assume everyone else on this planet are much less fortunate.
Insulin is much easier to control if you do not over indulge in added sugar products. Not needing as much insulin results in the endocrine system needing to work less hard. experience4 -
Hi, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I've been doing some maths, and I really don't think you're eating as little as you think you are. I've gone back to the 22nd of April (an arbitrary amount of just over a month) and your statement of eating between 1200 -1300 a day is just not accurate. This may be your problem.
Here are the numbers for you:
Total days: 33
- Only 13 days counted under 1300, that's less than 40% total days.
- 3 of these were under 1000 kcal and I somewhat doubt that they're completely accurate.
- 4 of the days when you were between 1100 and 1300 you logged meals eaten out (or takeout).*
- 4 days (12%) of your days were over 1700 with 2 of those days were over 2100
- 4 days were unlogged. I assume these were bad days (because they're the ones I'm bad at logging).
*Personally I find MFP tends to underestimate meals out, from what I would expect, so I don't take these numbers as accurate.
I hope that these hard numbers help you realise your problem. You are eating many more calories than you think. Having the occasional off day from your target should be fine, but you're having more than the occasional day off. Out of the 33 days you're over your MFP target 9 times, that's about twice a week (and that's not counting the non logged days). And remember that eating out probably has more calories than you're accounting for. In addition I don't see anything like condements or frying oil or anything like that. They may only seem like a little bit here and there, but a blob of mayo or ketchup adds up.
Hope this helps you out.
Thank you! I guess my biggest problem is just eating more than I remember (selective memory hahah).
Going forward I’ll try harder to stick to my goal intake, not eating any exercise calories back, and I need to objectively over-log restaurant foods since MFP underestimates.
Thanks all! I think this case is closed!4 -
ericraucci1 wrote: »Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, double wrong.
First off, glucose is not toxic. It is vital to keeping you alive. If you don't eat it, your body will produce it to keep you alive.
Basically everything else you said is wrong too.5 -
ericraucci1 wrote: »Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.
If someone is eating in a deficit, there will be no fat storage. Also in a surplus, sufficient carbs are very important and spiked insulin can actually help muscle growth under proper conditions (strength training, adequate protein etc). Not to mention how great they are for workout performance, prevention of protein breakdown and recovery.
Carbs have actually helped me achieve a healthy body and body composition.
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These threads always devolve into an argument about the relative importance of macros. Sigh.
I just wanted to give the data point that every time I've followed a calorie restriction protocol consistently, I've lost weight at close to the program goal. In fact, the first few weeks, I usually lose at a faster rate than expected. And I am no particular stickler at logging-- I eyeball a lot of portions. The only thing that I know really helps is cooking your own food.5 -
ericraucci1 wrote: »Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.
Is that what Fung teaches people? He needs to get his MD revoked.3 -
ericraucci1 wrote: »Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.
You do not understand insulin and the roll of insulin.4 -
ericraucci1 wrote: »Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.
That toxic glucose is what your body runs on, even if you don't comsume it. It produces it through glucenogenesis.. its a process that converts fatty acids and amino acids into glucoe since really only your brain can run on ketones.
Also, take into consideration that the healthiest and longest living societies are all consuming 70-80% carbs; and even more so, considering fats store as fat easier and carbs rarely store as body fats as shown in multiple de novo lipogenesis studies, I'd suggest that you do more research from unbiased sources.4 -
Op, as you become more lean, being consistent is even more important. Its possible that those work lunches and dinners are really impacting you.2
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maybe you have metobolic damage..where your basal metabolic rate is lower due to extreme dieting. only building muscle can fix that. i just read about it on the scoby website.0
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