It’s all about calorie deficit, got it! But....

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  • mulecanter
    mulecanter Posts: 1,792 Member
    Logging doesn't mean squat if what you log is inaccurate. My wife claims to be gaining weight on 800 calories a day. Evidently the laws of physics don't apply in all situations.
  • rsclause
    rsclause Posts: 3,103 Member
    You shouldn't go lower than that "if" you are logging accurately which I doubt because you should be losing. I would also add some exercise to the mix.
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    ellie7187 wrote: »
    As soon as I get my meal service for the week tomorrow I’m going to start weighing out the ingredients (including liquids) as I make it. I’ve wondered for a while if this was the culprit but I naively thought “they can’t just make up info!” After reading a few posts from those who have tested meal service calories I’m also positive it’ll be WAY off. Which is super frustrating but will be GREAT if I finally find the answer!

    As for macros, I’m almost never hungry so I don’t usually pay attention to macros. My body has become very used to IF (not for dieting, I feel physically sick if I eat too early in the AM) and over the past 9 months or so I’ve managed to *mostly* cut out all snacking at night (yay for small victories!).

    For the blood test...I saw my results online when they first came in and everything was more or less in the middle of the “recommended ranges” indicated by the lab. I got tested because I have a really hard time sleeping (doc was thinking iron or B12 etc) but those all came back normal. And my thyroid did get tested as well but due to a family history with thyroid cancer (not weight loss related) and my T4 came back mid “normal range” as well.

    I'm curious as to what you discover. Please let us know.
  • Lyrica7
    Lyrica7 Posts: 88 Member
    edited May 2018
    For thyroid testing you need free T3, free T4, TPO Antibodies, Vitamin D, and ferritin (not on a regular iron panel) to accurately diagnose thyroid disease. The frees are the amount of hormone unbound in the bloodstream available for the body to use.
  • ipmac22
    ipmac22 Posts: 74 Member
    If you have insurance, consider checking to see if it covers registered dietitian visits. Mine covers three a year and it's a great way to have a registered dietitian look over my food and discuss any concerns. When I finally gave in and went to one last year she not only helped me tweak things I hadn't thought of, but picked up on some health issues I didn't even pick up on that led me to a doctor who ultimately diagnosed me with insulin resistance as part of PCOS. Understanding insulin resistance and working with the dietitian helped me to figure out that I had to eat a bit differently and ultimately helped not only my weight but my overall health.
  • LiftHeavyThings27105
    LiftHeavyThings27105 Posts: 2,086 Member
    edited May 2018
    Cesullivan0510 wrote: »
    https://www.ketovale.com/low-carb-keto-diet-studies-list/

    Above is the address to a list of studies (with links to said studies) regarding keto & low-carb ways of eating. Fair warning, these are medical studies and quite a grind to get through. Keto & low-carb seem to be dirty words to many of the MFP population, but stay with me here for just a second.
    I understand the importance of thermodynamics (the calorie defiect that everyone loves to tout as the end all be all), but the macros matter too. Speaking as someone who has been stalled on weight loss no matter how diligent I was on measuring/weighing food, religiously logging and getting regular exercise, I would consistently get to the point where no matter how "good" I was my body just refused to lose any more weight. And I'm not talking about the last ten or twenty pounds, I'm talking about still having around fifty to sixty more pounds to lose to get to the healthy weight for my height.
    There will never be a one-size-fits-all weight loss solution because we all have different bodies. And you know what? That's ok. What worked effectively for one isn't going to work effectively for all. I personally have found success with keto, and I enjoy eating that way. I'm not dropping staggering amounts of weight every week, but the scale continues to steadily go down.
    Another thing to consider is that even if a diet helps you lose weight, it's near useless if you can't sustain that way of eating and that activity level. So I encourage you to do some research, and see if low-carb or keto is something you think you'd like to try. Another good resource for information is www.marksdailyapple.com. He's referenced very often in the keto community, he's written a few books on the subject, and I learned a lot from reading one of them. His story is pretty interesting, so I suggest checking it out the site. If you have more in-depth questions on the subject, definitely talk to your doctor. A professional medical opinion from a doctor you trust certainly couldn't hurt.
    If you don't think low-carb or keto is right for you, that's perfectly ok. If you've done a bunch of research into nutrition and still can't push past the stall, then again, talking to your doctor could really help.

    Awesome sauce! I do Keto as well. I have high A1C so it totally makes sense for me. I know several people who have other medical conditions where the Keto Lifestyle is absolutely beneficial to them. But, it (Keto) can present most a problem. Macros matter for me, too. In the end, we are all different and what works for me may or may not work for you. Just as long as people make informed decisions.

    I had not heard of MarksDailyApple.com web site. So, I checked it out. Too funny. He works with Christine Hassler. I know her. I used to work with her and train with her back in the day. Back when she was "that weird chick that always talked about nutrition".....love that girl. Anyway, small world.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    It sounds like thyroid and as Lyrica7 stated above, further testing may be required.
  • ellie7187
    ellie7187 Posts: 83 Member
    Update on meal service! I’ve only done two of the meals so far but they are shockingly accurate.

    First one was stated as 800 calories per serving. I omitted the walnuts (just preference) and mine was 784 per serving after weighing everything. If I included the walnuts it would have been 854.

    Second was stated as 570 per serving and after weighing everything mine came to 574 per serving.

    I did gain 0.4 again this week and I’m realizing I ate out a bit more than usual this week. I can’t avoid eating out due to my job (lots of working lunches and business meetings) but since the reported calories could be WAY off the actual I’m thinking of logging my meals as multiple. Meaning if I eat one restaurant meal I’ll find it on MFP and log it as 1.5 or maybe even 2 servings. Thoughts?

    I feel like I MUST be logging wrong and if the meal service isn’t to blame it HAS TO be the restaurant meals.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    ellie7187 wrote: »
    Update on meal service! I’ve only done two of the meals so far but they are shockingly accurate.

    First one was stated as 800 calories per serving. I omitted the walnuts (just preference) and mine was 784 per serving after weighing everything. If I included the walnuts it would have been 854.

    Second was stated as 570 per serving and after weighing everything mine came to 574 per serving.

    I did gain 0.4 again this week and I’m realizing I ate out a bit more than usual this week. I can’t avoid eating out due to my job (lots of working lunches and business meetings) but since the reported calories could be WAY off the actual I’m thinking of logging my meals as multiple. Meaning if I eat one restaurant meal I’ll find it on MFP and log it as 1.5 or maybe even 2 servings. Thoughts?

    I feel like I MUST be logging wrong and if the meal service isn’t to blame it HAS TO be the restaurant meals.

    gaining fat or water weight though? even if the calories are right, you will probably gain weight from a couple of restaurant meals due to the amount of sodium
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,260 Member
    How big is your paper deficit? How long have you been dieting or cutting?
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    ericraucci1 wrote: »
    Are you consuming grains and sugars? I would look into some intermittent fasting and a primal type diet. High fat/ protein and low carb. Read 21 day keto reset by Mark Sisson and Primal Blueprint.
    Also DR Jason Fung - Fasting

    so much no...
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    edited May 2018
    Foods like grains, sugar and soy may not be bad for the majority of the population but there are many who do have problems digesting them. Please just because you are fortunate enough not to have an issue with these foods do not assume everyone else on this planet are much less fortunate.

    Insulin is much easier to control if you do not over indulge in added sugar products. Not needing as much insulin results in the endocrine system needing to work less hard. experience
  • ellie7187
    ellie7187 Posts: 83 Member
    deviette wrote: »
    Hi, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I've been doing some maths, and I really don't think you're eating as little as you think you are. I've gone back to the 22nd of April (an arbitrary amount of just over a month) and your statement of eating between 1200 -1300 a day is just not accurate. This may be your problem.

    Here are the numbers for you:

    Total days: 33
    - Only 13 days counted under 1300, that's less than 40% total days.
    - 3 of these were under 1000 kcal and I somewhat doubt that they're completely accurate.
    - 4 of the days when you were between 1100 and 1300 you logged meals eaten out (or takeout).*
    - 4 days (12%) of your days were over 1700 with 2 of those days were over 2100
    - 4 days were unlogged. I assume these were bad days (because they're the ones I'm bad at logging).

    *Personally I find MFP tends to underestimate meals out, from what I would expect, so I don't take these numbers as accurate.


    I hope that these hard numbers help you realise your problem. You are eating many more calories than you think. Having the occasional off day from your target should be fine, but you're having more than the occasional day off. Out of the 33 days you're over your MFP target 9 times, that's about twice a week (and that's not counting the non logged days). And remember that eating out probably has more calories than you're accounting for. In addition I don't see anything like condements or frying oil or anything like that. They may only seem like a little bit here and there, but a blob of mayo or ketchup adds up.

    Hope this helps you out.

    Thank you! I guess my biggest problem is just eating more than I remember (selective memory hahah).

    Going forward I’ll try harder to stick to my goal intake, not eating any exercise calories back, and I need to objectively over-log restaurant foods since MFP underestimates.

    Thanks all! I think this case is closed!
  • sardelsa
    sardelsa Posts: 9,812 Member
    ericraucci1 wrote: »
    Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
    Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
    All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.

    If someone is eating in a deficit, there will be no fat storage. Also in a surplus, sufficient carbs are very important and spiked insulin can actually help muscle growth under proper conditions (strength training, adequate protein etc). Not to mention how great they are for workout performance, prevention of protein breakdown and recovery.

    Carbs have actually helped me achieve a healthy body and body composition. ;)
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    ericraucci1 wrote: »
    Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
    Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
    All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.

    Is that what Fung teaches people? He needs to get his MD revoked.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    ericraucci1 wrote: »
    Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
    Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
    All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.

    You do not understand insulin and the roll of insulin.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    ericraucci1 wrote: »
    Fat adapted is more like it, the typical person who says they are doing “keto” is really trying to keep insulin levels down. If you do that then fat storage stays at a minimum. Insulin was an adaptation to humans due to agriculture. We weren’t designed to eat grains and bread and candy and coke. Insulin takes the toxic glucose from the blood and stores it as fat. Limit the insulin and you minimize fat storage.
    Eat a diet high in good fats, olive and avacado oil, lots of veggies, throw in good heavy cream in your coffee and avoid sugar. Good meats without hormones and antibiotics.
    All of this leads to a healthy body and optimum body weight and composition.

    That toxic glucose is what your body runs on, even if you don't comsume it. It produces it through glucenogenesis.. its a process that converts fatty acids and amino acids into glucoe since really only your brain can run on ketones.

    Also, take into consideration that the healthiest and longest living societies are all consuming 70-80% carbs; and even more so, considering fats store as fat easier and carbs rarely store as body fats as shown in multiple de novo lipogenesis studies, I'd suggest that you do more research from unbiased sources.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    Op, as you become more lean, being consistent is even more important. Its possible that those work lunches and dinners are really impacting you.
  • elisa123gal
    elisa123gal Posts: 4,324 Member
    maybe you have metobolic damage..where your basal metabolic rate is lower due to extreme dieting. only building muscle can fix that. i just read about it on the scoby website.
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