Vegetarian KETO weight loss stall HELP!
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janejellyroll wrote: »Holly_Wood_888 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Holly_Wood_888 wrote: »
It looks like you're logging things like "1/2 avocado" and butter by the tablespoon. Are these foods being weighed too?
I am weighing everything - the exception is the avocado- I can start weighing that . I do measure olive oil/ butter using tbsp or tsp
Yeah, I still think six days is too early to worry, but since you already have a scale it is a good idea to weigh calorie-dense foods like avocado and butter. I've found that avocados vary quite a bit in weight and "1/2 avocado" isn't a very useful measurement.
Thanks for sharing , I will sit tight and see what happens ...
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Thanks Anne ! Very insightful as always 😁 you rockIt's normal to see a quick and pretty big water weight drop at first on keto. It's also common after a larger water weight drop to have the scale level out for a bit as things re-adjust.
After the gratifying scale drop up front due to water weight adjustment, there's nothing special about keto weight loss. If you're burning more calories than you're eating (whether you're counting calories or not), you'll lose stored body fat . . . usually pretty slowly.
It's possible that you're actually in a calorie deficit and losing stored fat, but the weight loss is masked on the scale by water weight, either from general post-initial-drop re-adjustment, a new exercise program (muscle repair), time of month (could be anytime in the cycle), inflammation from some kind of healing (sunburn, minor infection, etc.), salt/sodium consumption, or various other reasons.
That's why you need 4-6 weeks on a new regimen to see what your true average results are.
On the other hand, after that initial water weight drop, you're subject to the problems that can affect anyone: Logging eating too loosely so lowballing the numbers, over-estimating exercise calories, etc. If you're not weighing calorie-dense things like avocados, oils, and butter, you could be way off there. Spoons are less accurate, more time-consuming, and create extra dishes to wash, so weighing those foods instead would be an all-round plus.
It's not the protein: Extra protein won't make you gain weight, if your calories are correct. (If it did, I'd still be a fat vegetarian: Now in maintenance, I get 100g+ most days, and tended to be around 80g while losing.)
Since you eat fish, I'd call that technically pescatarian rather than vegetarian, so that should give you more options. The meals you mention seem like fine things to eat, if they're hitting the right calorie level and contribute to good overall balanced nutrition.
I've been ovo-lacto vegetarian for 44 years, but - with apologies - can't help with other meal ideas. I'm eating 200g+ carbs most days in maintenance, just as I did while losing, and rely heavily on legumes and dairy that has (inherent, not added) sugars - things like plain Greek yogurt and skimmed milk. Vegetarianism and keto are each slightly harder to manage than balanced-nutrition omnivorous eating, and there's no weight loss advantage to either, so I personally can't imagine combining them, but if those are your goals, I certainly support you in them.
Best wishes!
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You've been given sound advice, IMO. If you are accurately measuring your food and logging, you are probably losing fat which is masked by water weight.
I found the scale can go up or down a few pounds every day, and I do get times where the scale seems to sit steady for longer than I'd like, but as long as you eat at a deficit, the scale will move down again.
Did you take starting measurements or pictures? Sometimes that shows what is happening much better than the scale does.
Best wishes.1 -
Why do you feel keto is a good fit for you? Do you have a medical reason to restrict carbs?
If weight loss is your goal - that comes from a calorie deficit. You can achieve that eating keto, low carb, vegetarian, paleo, high carb, etc. it’s the calories that determine weight loss, not the carbs or protein.
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WinoGelato wrote: »Why do you feel keto is a good fit for you? Do you have a medical reason to restrict carbs?
If weight loss is your goal - that comes from a calorie deficit. You can achieve that eating keto, low carb, vegetarian, paleo, high carb, etc. it’s the calories that determine weight loss, not the carbs or protein.
I do better on something strict as I have yo yoed my entire life. I seem to have control in a strict environment and not much control if I'm just trying to watch my weight.
Its not that I think Keto is better than any other diet, I just thought I would try it, given the publicity , (as I gain weight very easily and it seems people are having a lot of success.)
I ate vegan for four months and then vegetarian for a few, now I am pescatarian. I didn't lose weight eating like that, I love carbs to a fault.2 -
Today I am down .8lb ... I made sure I didnt go over my protein limit. Tomorrow I will begin to use the weigh scale for butter and cocounut oil etc... I had no idea that measuring spoons werent accurate enough.0
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You've been given sound advice, IMO. If you are accurately measuring your food and logging, you are probably losing fat which is masked by water weight.
I found the scale can go up or down a few pounds every day, and I do get times where the scale seems to sit steady for longer than I'd like, but as long as you eat at a deficit, the scale will move down again.
Did you take starting measurements or pictures? Sometimes that shows what is happening much better than the scale does.
Best wishes.
If I lose inches I will be very happy - definitely more important than the weigh scale, however, seeing the pounds come off, is always really encouraging in the beginning. I did take pictures, and I did measure my waist, which is the most important area where I need to lose it
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Holly_Wood_888 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Why do you feel keto is a good fit for you? Do you have a medical reason to restrict carbs?
If weight loss is your goal - that comes from a calorie deficit. You can achieve that eating keto, low carb, vegetarian, paleo, high carb, etc. it’s the calories that determine weight loss, not the carbs or protein.
I do better on something strict as I have yo yoed my entire life. I seem to have control in a strict environment and not much control if I'm just trying to watch my weight.
Its not that I think Keto is better than any other diet, I just thought I would try it, given the publicity , (as I gain weight very easily and it seems people are having a lot of success.)
I ate vegan for four months and then vegetarian for a few, now I am pescatarian. I didn't lose weight eating like that, I love carbs to a fault.
If you have yo-yoed it's time to find something sustainable, which is unlikely to be the current fad diet.
You perceive yourself as gaining weight easily. Weight is gained by eating more than we burn. It can seem easy, because we're typically not paying attention to what we're eating when we gain. Once we start paying attention, it can seem hard to lose.
But, all anyone needs to lose weight is a calorie deficit. How many carbs, or any other macro, matter only for nutrition and satiety. If you want to lose and keep it off, you'd be better served eating in a way you see yourself eating past the weight loss phase.10 -
I think you may have forgotten to look at the long term outcome and just look at the short term effects - we can do difficult, unpleasant things we don't have to, for a short while, as long as we find them exciting and necessary, but sooner or later the excitement and the urgency wears off and only the hardship and limitations remain. You may think that being strict works, because you did what your parents told you, and you do what your boss tells you, but if it's up to just you, you'll delay any boring task that can be delayed. The thing is that strict diets is what has made you yoyo, because you'll end up resenting the strict regimen, and feel envious and want to cheat - and you can, so you will, because there is noone to stop you. The other thing is that amount of publicity does not directly reflect the quality of the item touted, and back to my initial point - keto makes many people lose a lot of water weight when they first start out. Another thing, that is deeply connected to this, is the demonizing of certain foods, food groups and nutrients, right now, sugar/carbs is the devil; when I was young, it was fat. Demonizing is something that has the opposite of the expected and wanted effect - it makes your desire for the feared item, soar. And when you give in, which you will, you will feel out of control, and your suspicion that it really is the devil, is confirmed, and your lack of self control, becomes obvious. So, on to an even stricter regimen! Can you see how this doesn't work, how it can't work?Holly_Wood_888 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Why do you feel keto is a good fit for you? Do you have a medical reason to restrict carbs?
If weight loss is your goal - that comes from a calorie deficit. You can achieve that eating keto, low carb, vegetarian, paleo, high carb, etc. it’s the calories that determine weight loss, not the carbs or protein.
I do better on something strict as I have yo yoed my entire life. I seem to have control in a strict environment and not much control if I'm just trying to watch my weight.
Its not that I think Keto is better than any other diet, I just thought I would try it, given the publicity , (as I gain weight very easily and it seems people are having a lot of success.)
I ate vegan for four months and then vegetarian for a few, now I am pescatarian. I didn't lose weight eating like that, I love carbs to a fault.
Eating is something we have to do several times per day, every day, for all our lives, and it's so pleasureable and so easy, so linked to all aspects of human life, that you need to have a solid framework around you in order to not consistently eat too much (and gain weight). This does not - I repeat NOT - mean strict diets, eating the "right" foods, or even support and motivation and friends to diet with you. It means real, balanced and neutral information, reducing temptation as much as possible, a good personal meal schedule, self trust, and common sense. You need to work hard and challenge yourself in new ways to get these things. But the reward is so great.8 -
I think avoiding strict diets, at least those perceived as strict, is not a good idea for everyone. Sometimes eating the "right" foods us exactly what makes weight loss or better health achievable.
I eat rice cakes or noodles in moderation I crave more and calorie moderation goes out the window. I limit carbs and avoid certain foods and calorie moderation becomes easy.
A strict diet does not equal an eventual binge and loss of control for everyone.2 -
I think you may have misunderstood me, but you're actually pointing at something very important - what feels strict, is individual and subjective, what we call things, can be a little different, and what is right for one person can be totally wrong for another. We all need reasonable boundaries, but exactly what is reasonable, is personal and situational. That's why it's so important to attack this at both sides simultaneously - knowing the universal principles, and your own preferences, and understanding what's what.I think avoiding strict diets, at least those perceived as strict, is not a good idea for everyone. Sometimes eating the "right" foods us exactly what makes weight loss or better health achievable.
I eat rice cakes or noodles in moderation I crave more and calorie moderation goes out the window. I limit carbs and avoid certain foods and calorie moderation becomes easy.
A strict diet does not equal an eventual binge and loss of control for everyone.4 -
kommodevaran wrote: »
I think you may have misunderstood me, but you're actually pointing at something very important - what feels strict, is individual and subjective, what we call things, can be a little different, and what is right for one person can be totally wrong for another. We all need reasonable boundaries, but exactly what is reasonable, is personal and situational. That's why it's so important to attack this at both sides simultaneously - knowing the universal principles, and your own preferences, and understanding what's what.I think avoiding strict diets, at least those perceived as strict, is not a good idea for everyone. Sometimes eating the "right" foods us exactly what makes weight loss or better health achievable.
I eat rice cakes or noodles in moderation I crave more and calorie moderation goes out the window. I limit carbs and avoid certain foods and calorie moderation becomes easy.
A strict diet does not equal an eventual binge and loss of control for everyone.
I apologize if I misunderstood.
It is good there are so many options out there. Being aware of them makes it more likely that one will find what works best for them.0 -
No worries. I need to work on being clear to others, not just to myselfkommodevaran wrote: »
I think you may have misunderstood me, but you're actually pointing at something very important - what feels strict, is individual and subjective, what we call things, can be a little different, and what is right for one person can be totally wrong for another. We all need reasonable boundaries, but exactly what is reasonable, is personal and situational. That's why it's so important to attack this at both sides simultaneously - knowing the universal principles, and your own preferences, and understanding what's what.I think avoiding strict diets, at least those perceived as strict, is not a good idea for everyone. Sometimes eating the "right" foods us exactly what makes weight loss or better health achievable.
I eat rice cakes or noodles in moderation I crave more and calorie moderation goes out the window. I limit carbs and avoid certain foods and calorie moderation becomes easy.
A strict diet does not equal an eventual binge and loss of control for everyone.
I apologize if I misunderstood.
It is good there are so many options out there. Being aware of them makes it more likely that one will find what works best for them.
I think many options is a blessing and a curse at the same time. When there are too many, its harder to choose. Being aware of the process behind something, is even more important when there are so many different, seemingly contradictory advice for achieving the same result.0 -
Thanks for your input everyone . I know I need to find something that works ... currently I feel satiated in keto and the only thing I miss is wine ! Once I achieve the loss I am looking for, I will slowly return to a regular caloric intake and limiting carbs but not as extremely, as I continue to exercise .
I definitely need to adhere to ‘everything in moderation.’ I seem to have little control when I get my hands on sugar, it’s just easier to avoid it entirely right now.
Thankfully I only felt withdrawal symptoms during the first week of keto.
I will however, look forward to eating more greens. I don’t think veggies should be limited - unless one is consuming corn potatoes or peas .0
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