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Intermittent Fasting/Clean Fasting Debate
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Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
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Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
I think the non sense is directed at that nutritional sweeteners spike insulin. And I would say, that may be true for some sweeteners, but I am not sure we have confidence about all non nutritive sweeteners.
The bigger concern, especially by some, is even if something does spike insulin, does it matter? And I would say, no, pending there isn't a form of insulin resistance.8 -
Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
I can only answer for me, and nothing on your list applies. What is nonsensical to me is the idea that your body needs a break from digesting, that avoiding insulin spikes is necessary to lose fat, and that insulin spikes hinder healing and IF for three weeks will give your body enough time to heal. From something.
Hormone cycles are a thing, and certainly affect appetite, energy, and mood - all of which affect adherence, and therefore weight loss/gain, inside the framework of CICO.16 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I do not know why people claim that the IF research that has been done is garbage...how do you know??? Can you guarantee me that every bit of IF research is done by a quack???
BBC has a great documentary called the Science of Fasting.
Personally I think giving your body a rest from eating is a good thing (and I don't mean just while you are sleeping).
A rest from eating? People who don't do IF also take a break from eating. I don't do IF and I promise you, the majority of my time is spent *not* eating.
It was pretty easy to eat from the time when I woke up right thru until bedtime, thus, weight gain.
And if intermittent fasting keeps you from doing that and helps you keep your calorie intake in check while providing satiety, that's a good thing. It has certainly been helpful to me in that regard. In the end, it's the calories that matter - not what time you eat them.
Absolutely...now if there are potentially other health benefits down the road that will maybe occur than great. The biggest benefit is that I lost weight, no longer require blood pressure meds, so I am thrilled by that:) Good luck to everyone on here whether they are doing IF or not!5 -
Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding (beyond the fact that it's obviously not a good idea to eat nonstop all day long, that is).
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.13 -
Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
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Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
I can only answer for me, and nothing on your list applies. What is nonsensical to me is the idea that your body needs a break from digesting, that avoiding insulin spikes is necessary to lose fat, and that insulin spikes hinder healing and IF for three weeks will give your body enough time to heal. From something.
Hormone cycles are a thing, and certainly affect appetite, energy, and mood - all of which affect adherence, and therefore weight loss/gain, inside the framework of CICO.
Did someone say avoiding insulin spikes were necessary to lose fat? I thought OP said that IF done without clean fasting was the same as any other diet (which I took to mean CICO).
I didn't follow the healing commentary... not sure what that was about, so I'm not going down that road.3 -
Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
Who claimed #1? See my previous comment...2 -
lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."12 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.11 -
lyssamichelle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.
What science are you referring to?9 -
lyssamichelle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.
You have not been able to produce a single piece of science so far.10 -
Except that you did make that claim.lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »What is clean fasting? That's not a phrase I've heard before...
Basically you just drink water, black coffee unsweetened tea. Anything with flavor spikes your insulin levels. Some stuff is in the gray area. Like lemon in water. As in it's completely dependent on the person. When your insulin levels are spiked your body, it stops your body from healing. It takes about 3 weeks for your body to adjust and start healing itself. This is just a super short summary though lol.
This is complete nonsense.
Actually it's science.
That word you're using... I don't think it means what you think it means.
So what, the scientific studies I've looked at are wrong?
If it came from Dr. Axe, yes. He's a well-known quack.
I have no idea who that is... never heard of him.
I was with you on this one, but the fact that you don't know that the link you posted above is from Dr. Axe's website has me scratching my head.
I have no idea who that is, i was just looking for a definition to share quickly. It's what popped up. Sue me.
How about people with actual experience with it? Or are they all quacks to?
http://www.ginstephens.com/all-blog-posts/does-a-clean-fast-really-matter
That's a blog entry from a school teacher, not "science".
I didn't say that was science. I said that was people with actual experience.
The problem is, I could start a blog right now and say that eating exactly 75g of Cheetos every day cleared up my acne and made me grow 3 inches. Since this doesn't make sense based on what we already know, you shouldn't go around telling people it's true until there are more complete scientific studies proving so
There are. It's not my job to send them to people. If they really wanted to know, they'd go find it. I'm a 25 year old with serious mental limitations. Lol I don't mind sharing what I know. I do mind going threw google time after time looking for things for people who just want to be rude.
We have all done our research. There are people in these forums who do clinical research for a living. I have never seen a peer-reviewed scientific study showing "insulin spikes hinder healing". If you are going to make a wild claim and not back it up with anything, it is going to be called out here. Far too many people waste time running around in circles following one fake health guru after another. If I can save someone from doing that, I'm going to.
All of which is not to say I have anything against IF. For a lot of people, it is a great way to control their appetite and hit their calorie goal with ease. Which is awesome
Except I never made that claim.
This is complete nonsense. Pure pseudoscientific BS. Any peer-reviewed research to back this up?Basically you just drink water, black coffee unsweetened tea. Anything with flavor spikes your insulin levels. Some stuff is in the gray area. Like lemon in water. As in it's completely dependent on the person. When your insulin levels are spiked your body, it stops your body from healing. It takes about 3 weeks for your body to adjust and start healing itself. This is just a super short summary though lol.
Yeah, clean fast is also pure nonsense.I was explaining what a clean fast was. And why it's what works.
No. I didn't. I was trying to explain something. When I clearly stated multiple times I'm not good at explaing anything. It's not mine to claim. My wording isn't always the best.10 -
stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.
You have not been able to produce a single piece of science so far.
I haven't been able to or I'm just not because I don't have to lol if you actually wanted to know you would research it yourself.18 -
lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »What is clean fasting? That's not a phrase I've heard before...
Basically you just drink water, black coffee unsweetened tea. Anything with flavor spikes your insulin levels. Some stuff is in the gray area. Like lemon in water. As in it's completely dependent on the person. When your insulin levels are spiked your body, it stops your body from healing. It takes about 3 weeks for your body to adjust and start healing itself. This is just a super short summary though lol.
This is complete nonsense.
Actually it's science.
That word you're using... I don't think it means what you think it means.
So what, the scientific studies I've looked at are wrong?
If it came from Dr. Axe, yes. He's a well-known quack.
I have no idea who that is... never heard of him.
I was with you on this one, but the fact that you don't know that the link you posted above is from Dr. Axe's website has me scratching my head.
I have no idea who that is, i was just looking for a definition to share quickly. It's what popped up. Sue me.
How about people with actual experience with it? Or are they all quacks to?
http://www.ginstephens.com/all-blog-posts/does-a-clean-fast-really-matter
That's a blog entry from a school teacher, not "science".
I didn't say that was science. I said that was people with actual experience.
The problem is, I could start a blog right now and say that eating exactly 75g of Cheetos every day cleared up my acne and made me grow 3 inches. Since this doesn't make sense based on what we already know, you shouldn't go around telling people it's true until there are more complete scientific studies proving so
There are. It's not my job to send them to people. If they really wanted to know, they'd go find it. I'm a 25 year old with serious mental limitations. Lol I don't mind sharing what I know. I do mind going threw google time after time looking for things for people who just want to be rude.
We have all done our research. There are people in these forums who do clinical research for a living. I have never seen a peer-reviewed scientific study showing "insulin spikes hinder healing". If you are going to make a wild claim and not back it up with anything, it is going to be called out here. Far too many people waste time running around in circles following one fake health guru after another. If I can save someone from doing that, I'm going to.
All of which is not to say I have anything against IF. For a lot of people, it is a great way to control their appetite and hit their calorie goal with ease. Which is awesome
Except I never made that claim. I was explaining what a clean fast was. And why it's what works. Or trying to the best way i can. I'm not doing it for weight loss. Or appetite control. I'm doing it for my anxiety and other mental issues. Which is finally starting to ease up.
With all due respect, you should have mentioned in your first post that you were advocating "clean fasting" with respect to particular (mental) health issues. I see this time and again on MFP, where posters make some broad claim and recommend a particular approach, then a dozen posts later say that it works for them because of some particular issue (health or otherwise) that they face. If you're deathly allergic to strawberries, it doesn't mean that everybody else would benefit from not eating strawberries.11 -
lyssamichelle wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.
You have not been able to produce a single piece of science so far.
I haven't been able to or I'm just not because I don't have to lol if you actually wanted to know you would research it yourself.
Well if you want people to think you aren't making things up it's always best to provide a reputable link.16 -
lyssamichelle wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.
You have not been able to produce a single piece of science so far.
I haven't been able to or I'm just not because I don't have to lol if you actually wanted to know you would research it yourself.
All the research in the world isn't going to give us insight into what specific things you were thinking of when you made that claim. You're asking us to do research to figure out what you meant.12 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »What is clean fasting? That's not a phrase I've heard before...
Basically you just drink water, black coffee unsweetened tea. Anything with flavor spikes your insulin levels. Some stuff is in the gray area. Like lemon in water. As in it's completely dependent on the person. When your insulin levels are spiked your body, it stops your body from healing. It takes about 3 weeks for your body to adjust and start healing itself. This is just a super short summary though lol.
This is complete nonsense.
Actually it's science.
That word you're using... I don't think it means what you think it means.
So what, the scientific studies I've looked at are wrong?
If it came from Dr. Axe, yes. He's a well-known quack.
I have no idea who that is... never heard of him.
I was with you on this one, but the fact that you don't know that the link you posted above is from Dr. Axe's website has me scratching my head.
I have no idea who that is, i was just looking for a definition to share quickly. It's what popped up. Sue me.
How about people with actual experience with it? Or are they all quacks to?
http://www.ginstephens.com/all-blog-posts/does-a-clean-fast-really-matter
That's a blog entry from a school teacher, not "science".
I didn't say that was science. I said that was people with actual experience.
The problem is, I could start a blog right now and say that eating exactly 75g of Cheetos every day cleared up my acne and made me grow 3 inches. Since this doesn't make sense based on what we already know, you shouldn't go around telling people it's true until there are more complete scientific studies proving so
There are. It's not my job to send them to people. If they really wanted to know, they'd go find it. I'm a 25 year old with serious mental limitations. Lol I don't mind sharing what I know. I do mind going threw google time after time looking for things for people who just want to be rude.
We have all done our research. There are people in these forums who do clinical research for a living. I have never seen a peer-reviewed scientific study showing "insulin spikes hinder healing". If you are going to make a wild claim and not back it up with anything, it is going to be called out here. Far too many people waste time running around in circles following one fake health guru after another. If I can save someone from doing that, I'm going to.
All of which is not to say I have anything against IF. For a lot of people, it is a great way to control their appetite and hit their calorie goal with ease. Which is awesome
Except I never made that claim. I was explaining what a clean fast was. And why it's what works. Or trying to the best way i can. I'm not doing it for weight loss. Or appetite control. I'm doing it for my anxiety and other mental issues. Which is finally starting to ease up.
With all due respect, you should have mentioned in your first post that you were advocating "clean fasting" with respect to particular (mental) health issues. I see this time and again on MFP, where posters make some broad claim and recommend a particular approach, then a dozen posts later say that it works for them because of some particular issue (health or otherwise) that they face. If you're deathly allergic to strawberries, it doesn't mean that everybody else would benefit from not eating strawberries.
Except I'm not saying that. I never even recommended it. I was trying to explain it. To someone who asked. Then of course everyone and their mother wants to hope in with their confusing words making it hard to get the right way to say things out. Because my brain doesn't work like normal people.13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.
You have not been able to produce a single piece of science so far.
I haven't been able to or I'm just not because I don't have to lol if you actually wanted to know you would research it yourself.
All the research in the world isn't going to give us insight into what specific things you were thinking of when you made that claim. You're asking us to do research to figure out what you meant.
One of the first things I said when i posted about clean fasting was to research it yourself. Pretty easy to do.12 -
lyssamichelle wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lyssamichelle wrote: »Can I take a step back and ask a question regarding the "nonsense"?
What exactly is nonsensical?- Is it the idea that hormone levels cycle throughout the day?
- Is it that insulin levels are naturally lower in the morning?
- Is it that certain foods/substances can trigger insulin spikes?
- Is it that these hormone cycles have an impact on weight management?
- Is it all of it?
- Is it something else?
As it pertains to this thread (to stay on topic), I think what's specifically being called into question is the "clean fasting" nonsense:
1) That IF is only effective if you "clean fast".
2) That anything with flavor spikes insulin.
3) That your body cannot heal in the presence of insulin.
4) That it takes 3 weeks for your body to "adjust and start healing itself".
And subsequently:
5) That the body needs a "rest" from feeding.
I haven't seen any of your points addressed or argued either way.
I never said it was only effective with a clean fast. It's what the clean fast does. sorry I'm not good at explaining stuff. I'm trying but everything gets so jumbled in my brain, it's hard.
Anytime you start a diet your body has to adjust to it. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that.
"The science behind it is really cool. But only when you clean fast."
This sounds like you're claiming that IF has specific documented benefits and those benefits are only available to those who are "clean fasting."
As in the science behind IF with clean fasting is cool.
You have not been able to produce a single piece of science so far.
I haven't been able to or I'm just not because I don't have to lol if you actually wanted to know you would research it yourself.
"Research it yourself" is what people say when they have nothing to back what they say.
Literally one of the first things I said before any of this started. Because I flat out said I can't explain things well. Would have saved everyone the posts if they took the time to find out themselves.11
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