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clsumrall1 wrote: »If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
Having a masters degree in Chemistry is vastly different than having a masters degree in say...food science or nutrition. I am finishing my masters in sustainability and environmental compliance but that doesn't make me any more informed on medical diseases than you. BUT I do know this because of studying scholarly sources (not blogs and forums), leaky gut is not the same as IBS or Chrons; Epstein Barre is not the same as Chicken Pox; GMO is not harmful for consumption (refer back to my masters because, yes, this is something I am VERY informed about); and last but not least, giving you constructive feedback when your claims are patently incorrect and downright dangerous is not attacking you - it is informative and generous. Having completed a masters degree, you should understand that continual learning and constructive debate is a gift, not an attack.
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clsumrall1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
I'm pretty knowledgable about GI diseases actually. I'm sorry but anyone who claims tha IBD and IBS are the same and that IBD is a symptom honestly aren't thst familiar even with the basics of GI diseases.
Did you read this yet? https://www.badgut.org/information-centre/a-z-digestive-topics/leaky-gut-syndrome/
More reputable than a cook book9 -
Strawman, no one here said they know more than Mayo clinic doctors and scientists.clsumrall1 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
People are correcting misinformation. Conflation of different diseases is not okay. It actually insulting for those who suffer from those conditions. When you tell people who know what their talking about to educate themselves, while spreading misinformation yourself, it's going to get called out. It's not an attack.
Really and they know more than the Mayo Clinic doctors and scientists.
We have. The current science agrees that leaky gut isn't real, that the different types of herpesviruses aren't the same thing and that the GI conditions you spoke about earlier are very different. Where exactly are you getting your info? It's completely wrongObviously not one of you have taken the time to read the most current info.
Research, that word doesn't mean what you think it does.I’m not asked ng you to believe me But r search for yourself.
Another strawman. No one has made any assumptions about your health status.And by the way you don’t have a clue of my medical conditions don’t assume you do.
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clsumrall1 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
People are correcting misinformation. Conflation of different diseases is not okay. It actually insulting for those who suffer from those conditions. When you tell people who know what their talking about to educate themselves, while spreading misinformation yourself, it's going to get called out. It's not an attack.
Really and they know more than the Mayo Clinic doctors and scientists. Obviously not one of you have taken the time to read the most current info. I’m not asked ng you to believe me But r search for yourself. And by the way you don’t have a clue of my medical conditions don’t assume you do.
My assumptions weren't about your medical conditions, just about your understanding/conflation/misrepresentation of knowledge.9 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
People are correcting misinformation. Conflation of different diseases is not okay. It actually insulting for those who suffer from those conditions. When you tell people who know what their talking about to educate themselves, while spreading misinformation yourself, it's going to get called out. It's not an attack.
Really and they know more than the Mayo Clinic doctors and scientists. Obviously not one of you have taken the time to read the most current info. I’m not asked ng you to believe me But r search for yourself. And by the way you don’t have a clue of my medical conditions don’t assume you do.
And obviously you don't have a clue about our medical conditions. BTW intestinal permability is a thing but it is a symptom of disease (like Crohn's) NOT the cause of it. I've probably reas way more peer reviewed scientific studies than you have and have a lot of real life experience in this area.7 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
I have a masters degree in Chemical Engineering. What is your point?
Question: When you wrote your thesis did you cite random blogs from the internet or articles in newspapers as sources. I can guess the answer. No. Because if you did, you would have failed your thesis and not achieved your degree. No you would have cited proper peer reviewed articles in proper journals that were deemed reliable and reputable.
So why take a different view when reading articles and crap that people have posted on forums when it comes to your health. Why are you not being more cynical of this article. Is it published on a reputable site? Is the article endorsed by the site, or is it a "blog style" post that isn't moderated? Is it peer reviewed? Is this something that already conforms to my view and is my personal bias affecting my judgement? Is there actually any evidence based research to supplement the claims? Does that research have a natural bias potential (sponsors etc)? Is the conclusions drawn from that research fair, given the results? Is the sample size adequate? Is it fair to draw comparisons from the research to the situation listed in this article?
These are the questions you should really be asking yourself before sitting there telling everyone else they should educate themselves. By telling others that they are wrong when you're spouting what is well known pseudoscience you just make yourself look like a fool. Take a step back. What happened on this thread. You asked for our thoughts and we told them to you. You didn't like the answer so you got defensive. Yes some of the responses weren't the politest or sugar coated of responses. But tbh some people are so sick of the rubbish that is spread by ill informed people, that their patience has worn thin. Rubbish that in many cases are not just wrong, but potentially damaging if believed.
You asked for our thoughts, and our thoughts are overwhelmingly: It is BS. The article is rubbish, from a rubbish source and tbh you should be more cynical.26 -
An overview of IBS vs IBD https://www.badgut.org/information-centre/a-z-digestive-topics/the-irritable-gut-ibs-vs-ibd4
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[clsumrall1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
I'm pretty knowledgable about GI diseases actually. I'm sorry but anyone who claims tha IBD and IBS are the same and that IBD is a symptom honestly aren't thst familiar even with the basics of GI diseases.
Wow. First of all, there are several veteran posters here who suffer from some of the real digestive diseases like IBS, Crohn's, and gastroparesis, including at least one of the posters you are telling to "do more research". You telling them you know better because you read a post on a Mayo Clinic chat room and read a cookbook is insulting.
Second, unfortunately there are doctors out there who try to convince everyone they've re-invented the wheel in order to sell books and get clicks on their website. Just because a doctor says something is true on the cover of the book she is trying to sell doesn't make it a proven scientific fact.
Vetting sources and applying critical thinking are important skills in this day and age of information overload. Just like Dr. Oz has proven he doesn't know much outside of his specialty of cardiac surgery and is willing to prostitute his medical credentials to get famous, you have to look deeper than just "a doctor wrote a book" or "this was mentioned in a Mayo Clinic chat room".18 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
A master degree and you never learned critical thinking. I call bs on that.15 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »[q
uote="clsumrall1;c-42479301"]Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect. Feel free to educate yourself
Pathophysiology books, scholarly articles, and medical practitioners disagree with you. What makes you more educated than those in the field?
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But you're choosing to quote a cook book and a message board.13 -
But you're choosing to quote a cook book and a message board.
I hate the broken quotes!5 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
I'm pretty knowledgable about GI diseases actually. I'm sorry but anyone who claims tha IBD and IBS are the same and that IBD is a symptom honestly aren't thst familiar even with the basics of GI diseases.
A picture of a page in a book is the best you can come up with? I have a difficult time believing you have a Masters degree in anything when you think that posting a picture of a page in a book somehow is evidence that supports your argument.
That page mentions GAPS, which is pure pseudoscientific fantasy. Not a shred of scientific evidence to support it all.13 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »Please read the above attachment
You're citing a cookbook as evidence?
I feel like we're being punked. You are kidding right?13 -
Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are9
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clsumrall1 wrote: »For those who don’t believe in leaky gut another name for it is I B S and Chron’s disease Colitis ect. Check out the Mayo Clinic
So can you admit that this is wrong? Can you see why someone with Crohn's would think you are minimizing the situation because you literally said IBS and Chron's (sic) and colitis, etc are the same thing. It's like saying a tension headache and glioblastoma are the same thing.9 -
debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
Having a masters degree in Chemistry is vastly different than having a masters degree in say...food science or nutrition. I am finishing my masters in sustainability and environmental compliance but that doesn't make me any more informed on medical diseases than you. BUT I do know this because of studying scholarly sources (not blogs and forums), leaky gut is not the same as IBS or Chrons; Epstein Barre is not the same as Chicken Pox; GMO is not harmful for consumption (refer back to my masters because, yes, this is something I am VERY informed about); and last but not least, giving you constructive feedback when your claims are patently incorrect and downright dangerous is not attacking you - it is informative and generous. Having completed a masters degree, you should understand that continual learning and constructive debate is a gift, not an attack.
What claim have I so called made by sharing a string ng to an article I had read. I haven’t made up this info. And I find it hard to believe that all these experts responding with such negativity have an agenda of helping vs hurting. And did I ever say I bre better than someone else who I haven’t met. But a lot of you said that about me. Shows me there very finite mind9 -
singingflutelady wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »For those who don’t believe in leaky gut another name for it is I B S and Chron’s disease Colitis ect. Check out the Mayo Clinic
So can you admit that this is wrong? Can you see why someone with Crohn's would think you are minimizing the situation because you literally said IBS and Chron's (sic) and colitis, etc are the same thing. It's like saying a tension headache and glioblastoma are the same thing.
As a matter of fact m very familiar with Crohn’s disease and others. But no matter if you read my original quote from me this thread has gone a little bonkers5 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
Having a masters degree in Chemistry is vastly different than having a masters degree in say...food science or nutrition. I am finishing my masters in sustainability and environmental compliance but that doesn't make me any more informed on medical diseases than you. BUT I do know this because of studying scholarly sources (not blogs and forums), leaky gut is not the same as IBS or Chrons; Epstein Barre is not the same as Chicken Pox; GMO is not harmful for consumption (refer back to my masters because, yes, this is something I am VERY informed about); and last but not least, giving you constructive feedback when your claims are patently incorrect and downright dangerous is not attacking you - it is informative and generous. Having completed a masters degree, you should understand that continual learning and constructive debate is a gift, not an attack.
What claim have I so called made by sharing a string ng to an article I had read. I haven’t made up this info. And I find it hard to believe that all these experts responding with such negativity have an agenda of helping vs hurting. And did I ever say I bre better than someone else who I haven’t met. But a lot of you said that about me. Shows me there very finite mind
That same string links to Mercola who is one of the biggest quacks around. Spreading misinformation is not helping anyone except the quacks gain more money. Please link peer reviewed scientic research to back your claims. With a Masters in Chemistry you should know about scientific studies and peer review.14 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
Having a masters degree in Chemistry is vastly different than having a masters degree in say...food science or nutrition. I am finishing my masters in sustainability and environmental compliance but that doesn't make me any more informed on medical diseases than you. BUT I do know this because of studying scholarly sources (not blogs and forums), leaky gut is not the same as IBS or Chrons; Epstein Barre is not the same as Chicken Pox; GMO is not harmful for consumption (refer back to my masters because, yes, this is something I am VERY informed about); and last but not least, giving you constructive feedback when your claims are patently incorrect and downright dangerous is not attacking you - it is informative and generous. Having completed a masters degree, you should understand that continual learning and constructive debate is a gift, not an attack.
What claim have I so called made by sharing a string ng to an article I had read. I haven’t made up this info. And I find it hard to believe that all these experts responding with such negativity have an agenda of helping vs hurting. And did I ever say I bre better than someone else who I haven’t met. But a lot of you said that about me. Shows me there very finite mind
You said a mild condition, a serious and debilitating disease, and a holistic health condition that there is no proof exists were all basically the same thing here:clsumrall1 wrote: »For those who don’t believe in leaky gut another name for it is I B S and Chron’s disease Colitis ect. Check out the Mayo Clinic
They aren't.
You posted in a public forum and asked for our thoughts. Not sure why you are attacking us for replying to your post with our thoughts. :huh:12
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