How to lose weight plus build up muscle mass
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Lift heavy - I suggest Stronglifts 5X5 as a base, until you max out your gains on that.
Clean up your diet. Just eat better.
Be patient. It takes time. And doing it concurrently is hard, because heavy weight training makes you ravenous. And it also slows down the scale. You might be lose 5lbs of fat in a month, but also gain 5lbs of muscle mass. So the scale looks like nothing is happening. But it is.
Most of the people on the success boards complain that they didn't lift while they were losing weight. It makes a huge difference.
I'd love to meet the person that gains 5 lbs of muscle mass in a month without being in anabolic steroids! Scientist would be looking for them.
What's your deal bro? Did you see the guy who went from overweight couch potato to doing Ironman competitions?
Why do you feel the need to tell other people what is impossible for them?
My deal is I like dealing in facts. What's your deal?
Here's someone who believes in your facts, and is highly confused at his muscle gains despite being in a very large caloric deficit. He is asking, how is this even happening? He's making PRs weekly now.
Maybe you can go over there and convince him he didn't actually make those gains, is mistaking the 10lb plates for 45lbs plates and just needs better glasses, or wasn't counting his calories right:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10700049/gaining-strength-in-a-deficit#latest
Strength gains =/= muscle growth. Kind of basic. Strength gains can come from neuromuscular adaptations with no muscle growth. That is why someone can gain strength in a deficit for a period of time.
It is what it is. I'm a woman that has lost 52-54lbs. I also lifted heavy while losing weight. These are the muscle gains I got while I lost that weight:
https://imgur.com/a/wsQ7A35
https://imgur.com/MFms4YO
https://imgur.com/YZnHbqX
Good for you. You leaned out and get stronger. Possibly you built some muscle (hypertrophy). Possibly you just developed what you already had. Over fat and/or obese people often time have a good amount of muscle mass. They need it to move all that weight around.
Yes, that's right. I needed all that muscle mass to move this weight around:
Bench press: 205lbs for 3 reps
Incline Bench: 185
Leg Press: 711lbs for 5 reps
Squat: 365lbs for 3 sets of 5 reps
Standing calf raise: 230
Deadlift 275
Y'all might want to listen to this lady - judging by those lifts, she might have a pretty good idea what she is talking about12 -
Other than as a newbie, returning after a layoff or obese, you won't gain much muscle mass in a calorie deficit, which is what you need to lose weight. But you can keep and condition most of what you have.
How much weight do you want to lose? Also 2 dumbells and a bodyweight program are fine to start but at some point you will need more weights or to join a gym to build muscle through progressive overload.
I'll have to agree. As a newbie weight lifter you will be able to build a small amount of muscle, even in a deficit if you keep your protein, fat, and carbs in check because although your body needs extra calories to build muscle it can, to an extent, draw from fat stores for some of those calories. Problem is that the body isn't that efficient, even though we wish it was. Over time, staying in a deficit the muscle gains will stop, and sometimes can go the wrong way in an extreme deficit. For that reason most people will recommend you lose the weight first, then work on building muscle. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be weight training during your diet. I would simply not try to be a power lifter. I stayed with higher reps and lower weight to help keep my muscles from degrading when I was in a deficit. Then after I lost the weight I switched to maintenance and gradually increased weight a bit until I saw some muscle growth. Then I switched to a slight surplus and built a bit more muscle over the last winter. So now I'm back down to maintenance and a little below it trimming the fat (so to speak).
It really just depends on your goals what works best, but if you have a lot of weight to lose, my suggestion is lose the weight first, weight train to keep what you have, and worry about growth later when you have room for more calories.
Just my .02, doesn't mean my opinion is right, it's just mine and it works for me.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Lift heavy - I suggest Stronglifts 5X5 as a base, until you max out your gains on that.
Clean up your diet. Just eat better.
Be patient. It takes time. And doing it concurrently is hard, because heavy weight training makes you ravenous. And it also slows down the scale. You might be lose 5lbs of fat in a month, but also gain 5lbs of muscle mass. So the scale looks like nothing is happening. But it is.
Most of the people on the success boards complain that they didn't lift while they were losing weight. It makes a huge difference.
I'd love to meet the person that gains 5 lbs of muscle mass in a month without being in anabolic steroids! Scientist would be looking for them.
What's your deal bro? Did you see the guy who went from overweight couch potato to doing Ironman competitions?
Why do you feel the need to tell other people what is impossible for them?
My deal is I like dealing in facts. What's your deal?
Here's someone who believes in your facts, and is highly confused at his muscle gains despite being in a very large caloric deficit. He is asking, how is this even happening? He's making PRs weekly now.
Maybe you can go over there and convince him he didn't actually make those gains, is mistaking the 10lb plates for 45lbs plates and just needs better glasses, or wasn't counting his calories right:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10700049/gaining-strength-in-a-deficit#latest
Strength gains =/= muscle growth. Kind of basic. Strength gains can come from neuromuscular adaptations with no muscle growth. That is why someone can gain strength in a deficit for a period of time.
It is what it is. I'm a woman that has lost 52-54lbs. I also lifted heavy while losing weight. These are the muscle gains I got while I lost that weight:
https://imgur.com/a/wsQ7A35
https://imgur.com/MFms4YO
https://imgur.com/YZnHbqX
Good for you. You leaned out and get stronger. Possibly you built some muscle (hypertrophy). Possibly you just developed what you already had. Over fat and/or obese people often time have a good amount of muscle mass. They need it to move all that weight around.
Yes, that's right. I needed all that muscle mass to move this weight around:
Bench press: 205lbs for 3 reps
Incline Bench: 185
Leg Press: 711lbs for 5 reps
Squat: 365lbs for 3 sets of 5 reps
Standing calf raise: 230
Deadlift 275
Y'all might want to listen to this lady - judging by those lifts, she might have a pretty good idea what she is talking about
LOL. Thank you so much. The joy of the Lord is my strength!
I remember when my goal was to bench 90lbs. It seemed like it took forever!8 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
He asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
So what does any of this have to do with the OP? He has two dumbbells and indeterminate height, weight, experience, and goals.
I started with two dumbbells.
Look how this guy started:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10700128/from-couch-to-half-ironman-world-championships#latest
We know absolutely nothing about the OP and he received replies that gave him several different possibilities of how to achieve the body he wants depending on all the variables he didn't give us, plus some people trying to manage his expectations. I'm honestly not sure what exactly it is you are so gung-ho about, but I think you have made it abundantly clear to the OP that he can accomplish all his dreams if he just tries hard enough and truly believes.
Think about what you are saying.
I am gung ho about encouraging someone to accomplish their dreams, and leave room for even exceeding his own expectations. You have a problem with this.
You, and several others, are gung ho on telling him or her it won't happen, or how improbable it would be.
Why?
Can you imagine if you did that to a child? "Mommy, I want to be a mathematician!" "Sorry toots, you just learned how to count, and so few people have the brains for that. Maybe you can be a low level accountant!"- No one told him it wouldn't happen. You are reading WAY more into this thread than is here.
- I see no reason to believe OP is a child, and I'm definitely not his mommy. I would expect an adult would be able to read the various replies in this thread and draw nuanced and logical conclusions. I'd guess OP has long since done that and gone on with his life just fine.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
He asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
So what does any of this have to do with the OP? He has two dumbbells and indeterminate height, weight, experience, and goals.
I started with two dumbbells.
Look how this guy started:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10700128/from-couch-to-half-ironman-world-championships#latest
We know absolutely nothing about the OP and he received replies that gave him several different possibilities of how to achieve the body he wants depending on all the variables he didn't give us, plus some people trying to manage his expectations. I'm honestly not sure what exactly it is you are so gung-ho about, but I think you have made it abundantly clear to the OP that he can accomplish all his dreams if he just tries hard enough and truly believes.
Think about what you are saying.
I am gung ho about encouraging someone to accomplish their dreams, and leave room for even exceeding his own expectations. You have a problem with this.
You, and several others, are gung ho on telling him or her it won't happen, or how improbable it would be.
Why?
Can you imagine if you did that to a child? "Mommy, I want to be a mathematician!" "Sorry toots, you just learned how to count, and so few people have the brains for that. Maybe you can be a low level accountant!"- No one told him it wouldn't happen. You are reading WAY more into this thread than is here.
- I see no reason to believe OP is a child, and I'm definitely not his mommy. I would expect an adult would be able to read the various replies in this thread and draw nuanced and logical conclusions. I'd guess OP has long since done that and gone on with his life just fine.
Enjoy!
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.6 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.5 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
OK....then my assumption was correct....
I don't see how these pictures are supposed to prove anything? Are you saying they recomped....or they ate at a constant deficit and stayed the exact same weight....and thus assuming they gained muscle and lost fat at a 1:1 ratio?2 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
OK....then my assumption was correct....
I don't see how these pictures are supposed to prove anything? Are you saying they recomped....or they ate at a constant deficit and stayed the exact same weight....and thus assuming they gained muscle and lost fat at a 1:1 ratio?
I don't have to assume - I can tell you from personal experience - you can look at my pics and my stats and see I ate at a deficit and gained serious muscle mass and strength at the same time.
Which is what the OP wanted to know how to do. So I told the OP how I did it.
And everybody got upset about it, for some reason.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
You have no evidence of the time frame. It's more likely that they went through a cut and bulk cycle3 -
johnslater461 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
You have no evidence of the time frame. It's more likely that they went through a cut and bulk cycle
The time frame for a 5lb fat loss and 5lb muscle gain was 1 month as stated by that poster.2 -
johnslater461 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
You have no evidence of the time frame. It's more likely that they went through a cut and bulk cycle
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength. I have personal experience. Why is this such a big deal?
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You have no way of knowing whether those photos mean what you think they mean. Just because someone weighed an amount with high BF% and weighs the same with lower BF% doesn't mean that they lost fat and gained muscle at a 1:1 rate. You haven't even provided meaningful evidence that YOU lost fat and gained muscle at a 1:1 ratio never mind you having any clue at what ratio those random ladies lost fat and gained muscle.
Yes they are obviously carrying less fat. Yes they are obviously carrying more muscle. These facts do not speak to the ratio of loss to gain in any way, shape or form.5 -
I looked up the bottom lady. She stayed the same weight and recomped over a 2yr period. So guessing high a 20lb fat loss/muscle build, that's roughly 2lbs/month.3
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »You have no way of knowing whether those photos mean what you think they mean. Just because someone weighed an amount with high BF% and weighs the same with lower BF% doesn't mean that they lost fat and gained muscle at a 1:1 rate. You haven't even provided meaningful evidence that YOU lost fat and gained muscle at a 1:1 ratio never mind you having any clue at what ratio those random ladies lost fat and gained muscle.
Yes they are obviously carrying less fat. Yes they are obviously carrying more muscle. These facts do not speak to the ratio of loss to gain in any way, shape or form.
So, I'm going to stop responding here.
Because you are at the point where you can't even believe someone telling you about their own life experience, because it messes with your ideas of how things work.
All of you on this board who argued me down, do you.
I'm going to do me, because, it's working. So well you can't even believe it.
The woo button is right there. Enjoy it.
Have a nice day!!!!!
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
umm no its not a 1:1 ratio I am losing fat and Im maintaining my weight and gaining some muscle. the scale isnt changing at all but I know its also not a 1:1 ratio. losing fat doesnt mean weight loss unless its a good bit. I got smaller as a result but my weight wasnt reduced. Im recomping though. Thats why a lot of times you may lose inches but not see the scale go down,doesnt mean you are gaining muscle at the same time.,muscle also takes up less space than fat.
so these pics dont really prove anything except for fat was lost and weight stayed the same. you can get smaller and your weight not be reduced due to a change in body composition. Im a smaller size at 35+ lb heavier than I was at 35+ lbs lighter due to lifting weights while I was losing weight. I maintained the mass I had and may have built some but it wasnt a lot. Ive also gained over the last 2 years about 10lbs and I still fit into my clothing I did 10 lbs lighter. sure some of it may be muscle. but Im still losing fat and weight hasnt changed. I can see the fat loss. weight hasnt changed in over 4 months.so I disagree1 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Agreed....it could be a recomp or the results of a cut / bulk / cut, and also agreed that it could be from BF% being lost and little to no muscle was actually gained.
Reading the thread I thought the crux of the back and forth was about gaining measurable muscle fast enough to cancel out fat loss at a 1:1 ratio....and I thought that these pics were proof of that being possible.
If not, then my bad.
Exactly.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »OP, you asked a question: how do I achieve this goal?
You got a lot of people tell you that your goal is unrealistic.
And you have a few people telling you that they achieved your goal and how they were able to achieve it.
All you have to do is decide who you want to listen to.
Best wishes, and I hope you exceed expectations.
Last I checked, even bodybuilders are happy if they gain 1 pound of muscle in a month and that's trying to gain weight, nevermind while also eating a deficit to lose fat.
So yeah, no.
OP asked how to lose fat and gain muscle. You can see by the pics I posted and the weight I lost that it can be done. You can't argue with results.
Don't get so hung up on numbers. All I said about the 5lbs was that when you work like that, the scale can stall. But that doesn't mean progress isn't occuring. Here are some same weight pics that show you can lose fat and gain muscle, and the scale stalls:
Am I the only one confused on how those pics are supposed to show that you can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time while in a deficit?
Yep, totally agreed that weight loss isn't linear. That's pretty well known around these parts, specifically when OPs start a thread about their weight loss slowing or stopping. Most commonly it's due to added or upped exercising causing the body to retain water. My weight can jump 2-3lbs after a hard lifting day.
to me its showing that her weight remained the same but her body changed so to me that means a recomp. which usually means eating in maintenance.but doesnt say deficit or not so and these pics could just mean that these women lost fat and showed the muscle underneath too.
Those women stayed the same weight and lost quite a bit of fat. If they didn't also gain muscle, then their weight would have been reduced as their size got smaller. Fat weight was being lost, and muscle weight was being gained. Simultaneously.
Also, my pictures and stats show that you can eat at a deficit, lose a significant amount of weight and simultaneously gain muscle and strength.
OK....then my assumption was correct....
I don't see how these pictures are supposed to prove anything? Are you saying they recomped....or they ate at a constant deficit and stayed the exact same weight....and thus assuming they gained muscle and lost fat at a 1:1 ratio?
I don't have to assume - I can tell you from personal experience - you can look at my pics and my stats and see I ate at a deficit and gained serious muscle mass and strength at the same time.
Which is what the OP wanted to know how to do. So I told the OP how I did it.
And everybody got upset about it, for some reason.
you have no pics showing anything3 -
.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »You have no way of knowing whether those photos mean what you think they mean. Just because someone weighed an amount with high BF% and weighs the same with lower BF% doesn't mean that they lost fat and gained muscle at a 1:1 rate. You haven't even provided meaningful evidence that YOU lost fat and gained muscle at a 1:1 ratio never mind you having any clue at what ratio those random ladies lost fat and gained muscle.
Yes they are obviously carrying less fat. Yes they are obviously carrying more muscle. These facts do not speak to the ratio of loss to gain in any way, shape or form.
So, I'm going to stop responding here.
Because you are at the point where you can't even believe someone telling you about their own life experience, because it messes with your ideas of how things work.
All of you on this board who argued me down, do you.
I'm going to do me, because, it's working. So well you can't even believe it.
The woo button is right there. Enjoy it.
Have a nice day!!!!!
The discussion is more nuanced than you would like it to be. Some of us are discussing details, like the breed, gender, hair length, and temperament of a dog, while you holler insistently that it's a dog and all that matters is that it's a dog.
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