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  • LiLee2018
    LiLee2018 Posts: 1,389 Member
    edited December 2018
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    rsclause wrote: »
    kornigyrl wrote: »
    I’ve been strict keto for about five months. My labs are all still good. I’ve lost 43 lbs so far. I enjoy it quite a lot. Thus far no negative effects whatsoever.🤷🏻‍♀️

    About the same here on keto/LCHF. I get some comments like "its so restrictive" I really feel like the only thing I gave up is four slices of bread daily and potatoes since I have already given up most processed junk food. The other comment I get is "you can't eat like that long term" well, why not? I really enjoy eating this way and see no reason to stop. Not trying to suggest this WOE can fit everybody but it fits me perfectly.


    Comments like those really bug me so damn much.
    It's not sustainable!!
    Really? Why?? B/c meat and veggies are just so terrible? Poor me eating my steak/pork chops/pot roast/chicken/seafood and my low carb veggies. Poor poor me with my filling delicious foods.
    And yes... it is restrictive, but believe it or not, some of us do well on restrictive diets. Some of us NEED restrictive diets.
    I know for myself that I do not succeed at moderation diets. If I could have things in moderation, I wouldn't be where I'm at now b/c I can't control myself around certain foods.
    Just irks me when people rag on a specific diet b/c THEY can't do it.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
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    mph323 wrote: »
    londonshoe1493 wrote: »
    You need roughly about 130 carbohydrates a day for your brain to function property. People lose weigh on keto which in return helps with medical problems, those that specifically stem from obesity or being overweight. However, in my opinion, the diet is more about fast weight loss and does not teach you how to appropriately change your lifestyle habits to support the weight loss and dietary changes. There have been numerous studies published that keto is okay for short-term weight loss but tend to become dangerous for long-term users. But, it ultimately works for weight loss efforts. So “good” or “bad” is all based off of viewpoint and goal.

    You don't need dietary carbs for your brain to function, especial a random number of them. Whatever your brain needs to function (glucose, I believe) it will make from whatever fuel you're feeding it.

    Keto can be a perfectly good choice for people who find it fits in with their food preferences, and can certainly be a long-term eating plan for those people. There's no reason why restricting carbs is unsustainable for everyone, and certainly can "teach" adherents to manage calories to manage weight.

    It's not "dangerous" unless a person is not getting required nutrients, or has some health issue that contradicts eating that way.

    ^^^This is correct. Gluconeogenesis can make all of the glucose that your body needs. It is only red blood cells that must have glucose; the brain does fine with a bit of glucose (glucose usage is reduced the longer one eats keto) and ketones.

    I'm a few years keto and know that there is nothing that shows a ketogenic diet is unhealthy or dangerous, and it can have some health benefits without any weight loss.
  • svlofthouse
    svlofthouse Posts: 46 Member
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    Thanks for the recommendations, I’ll definitely give them a listen. In terms of overall health and well-being, you really can’t beat Fit & Fearless. So inspiring and empowering!
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
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    I'd be down for a thread on the podcasts. I just downloaded the first two keto episodes. Considering my own recent abysmal n=1 with keto for migraines this is very interesting to me right now.
  • SVZee
    SVZee Posts: 76 Member
    edited December 2018
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    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.

    Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast

    I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)

    Highly recommended!

    If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.

    Relevant twitter:

    https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en

    I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)

    Just checked out her website, looks like really interesting stuff! Going to spend some time reading through it today, I'm curious to know her thoughts on the DASH diet, which is something I've dabbled in.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,948 Member
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    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.

    Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast

    I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)

    Highly recommended!

    If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.

    Relevant twitter:

    https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en

    I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)

    Their intro jingle is very funny...
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
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    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.

    Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast

    I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)

    Highly recommended!

    If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.

    Relevant twitter:

    https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en

    I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)

    Thanks for this recommendation! This is a very easy to listen to podcast, both hosts are likable and informative (and has been noted their intro jingle is funny).

    I listened to the two keto episodes this morning and am looking forward to their next episodes on the DASH diet
  • SVZee
    SVZee Posts: 76 Member
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    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.

    Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast

    I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)

    Highly recommended!

    If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.

    Relevant twitter:

    https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en

    I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)

    Thanks for this recommendation! This is a very easy to listen to podcast, both hosts are likable and informative (and has been noted their intro jingle is funny).

    I listened to the two keto episodes this morning and am looking forward to their next episodes on the DASH diet

    Just listened to them too, really enjoyed them!
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
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    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.

    Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast

    I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)

    Highly recommended!

    If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.

    Relevant twitter:

    https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en

    I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)

    Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
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    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.

    Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast

    I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)

    Highly recommended!

    If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.

    Relevant twitter:

    https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en

    I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)

    Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.

    What I found of particular interest (darn I wish we had the thread for the podcasts!) was Kevin's experience with his RA-like condition, because it mirrored mine. Though he mentioned confounding variables as being possible culprits, and I'm certainly open to this being the case with me as well, we both experienced worsening of our arthritis while on keto. This seems to be the opposite of what most other people experience. I thought it was weird that it happened to me, so it was interesting to hear someone else experienced it as well.

    Yes, that was interesting. Of course I view the claims of those kinds of benefits somewhat skeptically. I'm sure some experience them but I don't see any evidence that it's a universal experience based on a keto diet.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
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    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    A nutritionist I really like (she's an RD and has an MS in Nutrition Biochemistry and Epidemiology, and she blogs and tweets under the name Nutrition Wonk), recently started a podcast where she and a partner (who is a PhD in Molecular Nutrition) discuss various popular diets and then try the diets for 2 weeks. They are currently doing paleo (I saw her tweets on it, which led me to the podcast), but the first one is keto, and I know another is DASH.

    Introduction to the podcast, which is on iTunes, among other places: https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2018/10/24/Introducing-N1-A-New-Nutrition-and-Diet-Podcast

    I listened to the first episode on keto and thought it was excellent. (The second is where they discuss experiences on keto, the first is a discussion of current research on it, how it works, the various studies.)

    Highly recommended!

    If anyone else listens and likes the podcast, I'd be interested in starting a thread to react to the different episodes and the discussion, but in the meantime anyone interested in keto (for any reason), might want to check it out. I'll say it's very fair-minded/even-handed.

    Relevant twitter:

    https://twitter.com/NutritionWonk?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/kcklatt?lang=en

    I think this has the potential to be up there with Sigma Nutrition, which is probably my current favorite nutrition/fitness podcast. (I also really like FitCast, but that's not as nutrition focused.)

    Thanks for this recommendation! They are very well versed in their subject matter and very engaging to listen to. I listened to both the keto podcasts. They did a great job of covering the claims, the science and then their individual experiences while doing it. Interesting that they both found it unsustainable and struggled with energy levels for exercise.

    What I found of particular interest (darn I wish we had the thread for the podcasts!) was Kevin's experience with his RA-like condition, because it mirrored mine. Though he mentioned confounding variables as being possible culprits, and I'm certainly open to this being the case with me as well, we both experienced worsening of our arthritis while on keto. This seems to be the opposite of what most other people experience. I thought it was weird that it happened to me, so it was interesting to hear someone else experienced it as well.

    I too had the worsening of the RA while doing keto
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