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What commonly given MFP Forum advice do you personally disagree with?
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grassvalleygirl wrote: »The low fat diet. I agree that eating too much saturated fat can be a problem, but for me, having more fat in my diet has actually helped me lose weight. All I ever did on the low-fat diet was GAIN weight. Now that I maintain a good amount of healthy fat in my diet, I have lost 50 pounds and been able to maintain it for 4 years. I never want to say that my eating plan works for everyone, but it sure worked much better for me.
Who is recommending a low fat diet? Most recommendations are .4-.6 of body weight which for many ppl is in the 50-80g range which I wouldn’t call low-fat by any stretch4 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Halo Top is not the food of the gods.
Yeah. I went there.
Dairy-free Halo Top has hit the shelves of my exotic locale, and salted caramel has turned out to be a true disappointment after all the hype I read on here.
I think it tastes more like frozen pudding than like ice cream. But if you're diabetic, the low carbs are sure nice. I can just about eat one serving (not one pint, one fourth of a pint) of Halo Top, and zero servings of regular ice cream, without my blood sugar spiking. So having a reasonable facsimile of ice cream is a big deal to me.3 -
grassvalleygirl wrote: »The low fat diet. I agree that eating too much saturated fat can be a problem, but for me, having more fat in my diet has actually helped me lose weight. All I ever did on the low-fat diet was GAIN weight. Now that I maintain a good amount of healthy fat in my diet, I have lost 50 pounds and been able to maintain it for 4 years. I never want to say that my eating plan works for everyone, but it sure worked much better for me.
Outside of managing specific medical conditions, it isn't at all common to see a low fat diet recommended here.
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cmriverside wrote: »I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
This one?
I thought I said you could post it, with a credit to my visual journal? (. . . or did I?
). You know, my IP and copyright on that lettering and newspaper collage are so darned valuable. Or not. Korzybski's is, though - but I credited him.
Yes.
Except, "Visual Journal" credit? See, I don't even know what that means so I would get that totally wrong. I just won't use it on here...
Now, other forums...
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
This one?
I thought I said you could post it, with a credit to my visual journal? (. . . or did I? ). You know, my IP and copyright on that lettering and newspaper collage are so darned valuable. Or not. Korzybski's is, though - but I credited him.
Yes.
Except, "Visual Journal" credit? See, I don't even know what that means so I would get that totally wrong. I just won't use it on here...
Now, other forums...
Fancy word for "picture book".
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
This one?
I thought I said you could post it, with a credit to my visual journal? (. . . or did I? ). You know, my IP and copyright on that lettering and newspaper collage are so darned valuable. Or not. Korzybski's is, though - but I credited him.
Yes.
Except, "Visual Journal" credit? See, I don't even know what that means so I would get that totally wrong. I just won't use it on here...
Now, other forums...
Fancy word for "picture book".
ah.
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
This one?
I thought I said you could post it, with a credit to my visual journal? (. . . or did I? ). You know, my IP and copyright on that lettering and newspaper collage are so darned valuable. Or not. Korzybski's is, though - but I credited him.
Yes.
Except, "Visual Journal" credit? See, I don't even know what that means so I would get that totally wrong. I just won't use it on here...
Now, other forums...
Fancy word for "picture book".
Yup. Other people call them "art journals". Mine aren't; not shooting for Art, just fun play and messy self-expression.
Visual journal = journal/diary with more paint/paper/collage/sketches than plain written words.
On MFP, credit = "from @AnnPT77's visual journal". Off MFP, "from MFP user AnnPT77's visual journal". Easy.
eta: More people should try visual journaling. It's fun. Good for getting hands messy so it's hard to eat snacks, as a bonus.1 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
This one?
I thought I said you could post it, with a credit to my visual journal? (. . . or did I? ). You know, my IP and copyright on that lettering and newspaper collage are so darned valuable. Or not. Korzybski's is, though - but I credited him.
Yes.
Except, "Visual Journal" credit? See, I don't even know what that means so I would get that totally wrong. I just won't use it on here...
Now, other forums...
Fancy word for "picture book".
Yup. Other people call them "art journals". Mine aren't; not shooting for Art, just fun play and messy self-expression.
Visual journal = journal/diary with more paint/paper/collage/sketches than plain written words.
On MFP, credit = "from @AnnPT77's visual journal". Off MFP, "from MFP user AnnPT77's visual journal". Easy.
eta: More people should try visual journaling. It's fun. Good for getting hands messy so it's hard to eat snacks, as a bonus.
Any advice on how an unartistic soul could start? 0 -
Seems a bit slack. Do we not use Harvard referencing to credit any more? 5
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ladyreva78 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
This one?
I thought I said you could post it, with a credit to my visual journal? (. . . or did I? ). You know, my IP and copyright on that lettering and newspaper collage are so darned valuable. Or not. Korzybski's is, though - but I credited him.
Yes.
Except, "Visual Journal" credit? See, I don't even know what that means so I would get that totally wrong. I just won't use it on here...
Now, other forums...
Fancy word for "picture book".
Yup. Other people call them "art journals". Mine aren't; not shooting for Art, just fun play and messy self-expression.
Visual journal = journal/diary with more paint/paper/collage/sketches than plain written words.
On MFP, credit = "from @AnnPT77's visual journal". Off MFP, "from MFP user AnnPT77's visual journal". Easy.
eta: More people should try visual journaling. It's fun. Good for getting hands messy so it's hard to eat snacks, as a bonus.
Any advice on how an unartistic soul could start?
Yes. Let me think it over & I'll PM you within the next few days with some resources. It's way off topic for this thread! PM me: Do have any art supplies at all? Or any related hobbies? (Neither are necessary, but it might change what resources I'd suggest.)0 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
This one?
I thought I said you could post it, with a credit to my visual journal? (. . . or did I? ). You know, my IP and copyright on that lettering and newspaper collage are so darned valuable. Or not. Korzybski's is, though - but I credited him.
Yes.
Except, "Visual Journal" credit? See, I don't even know what that means so I would get that totally wrong. I just won't use it on here...
Now, other forums...
Fancy word for "picture book".
Yup. Other people call them "art journals". Mine aren't; not shooting for Art, just fun play and messy self-expression.
Visual journal = journal/diary with more paint/paper/collage/sketches than plain written words.
On MFP, credit = "from @AnnPT77's visual journal". Off MFP, "from MFP user AnnPT77's visual journal". Easy.
eta: More people should try visual journaling. It's fun. Good for getting hands messy so it's hard to eat snacks, as a bonus.
Any advice on how an unartistic soul could start?
There's a ton of stuff on Pinterest about how to begin an art journal. Of course, taken with a grain of salt since what I put in mine (when I do) is not really all that artistic. Still, Pinterest is a good place to get/copy ideas. I consider it like that old quote - "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" or something like that.
I took a class once on art journaling. Some of the people were really talented and others not so much, but we all still had a good time.1 -
"You have to lift heavy if you don't want to look like a skinnyfat noodle person."
I'm just an n=1, but personally, my legs and butt look a million times better now that I'm just running and cycling than they ever did when I was trying a squat/deadlift type program. I have the quads and glutes I always wanted and was never able to achieve before. Strong Curves had nothing on my cycle commute. Even my abs are better now than when I followed a lifting program.
If people want to lift weights I think that's great (my husband does it exclusively and thinks cardio is evil, and he looks very fit and can certainly lift stuff I can't, even if he can't run a couple miles to save his life), but constantly crapping all over people who like cardio is kinda sucky and trying to deter people from running or whatever in favour of lifting is nonsensical to me. I like to run, I like to bike, and I get the results I want from it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Exercise is important and I think there's a place for strength training AND cardio, and the best workout routine is one you enjoy and will stick to.
That may be some of the best advice that I've seen in a long time!! 1) Do what you enjoy, because you can maintain it. 2) Do what works for you. The same thing absolutely does not work for everyone! Well said!
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If you're going out to eat stick to plain chicken with steamed vegetables.
If eating at a restaurant it's because I want to eat amazing food that I can't cook myself. One meal is not going to derail you. Allow yourself some enjoyment in life.11 -
What I read constantly that I do not really agree is that everyone recommends a huge amount of protein per kg for weight loss.3
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mschosting wrote: »What I read constantly that I do not really agree is that everyone recommends a huge amount of protein per kg for weight loss.
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If you're going out to eat stick to plain chicken with steamed vegetables.
If eating at a restaurant it's because I want to eat amazing food that I can't cook myself. One meal is not going to derail you. Allow yourself some enjoyment in life.
This is true for some people, but not all! I eat lunch out at restaurants (either local or fast food) five days a week with my coworkers. I also go out to dinner at least once (usually twice) weekends. I have to be mindful of what I eat or I will gain rather than maintain my weight.3 -
Not for weight loss, for retention of muscle mass during weight loss. There have been extensive studies on this subject, with varying results, but in general if you are an older person losing weight, eating more than the recommended daily allowance of protein conserves muscle mass.mschosting wrote: »What I read constantly that I do not really agree is that everyone recommends a huge amount of protein per kg for weight loss.
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If you're going out to eat stick to plain chicken with steamed vegetables.
If eating at a restaurant it's because I want to eat amazing food that I can't cook myself. One meal is not going to derail you. Allow yourself some enjoyment in life.
That's valid when you are choosing to eat out. Much of the time when I eat out it's because relatives dragged me to some horrible place with calorie laden food I don't want on any level.3 -
I don't think there's a lot of rudeness unless the newbie gets rude first, so I wonder if it's a difference in conversation style. Some people find merely expressing disagreement politely to be somehow out of bounds, I've found. (I perceive posting on a forum without reading first to be quite rude and odd, but I realize that's not a universal view so I don't hold it against people.)
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I see some of the rudeness and don't think it's intentional. I think people are too used to dashing off quick text messages to friends and don't apply more of the letter writing rules to their posts. They dive right in, write rather abrupt sentences, and bail out. No greeting, slow build, etc. If one is trying to help a stranger, especially a stranger who is following bad advice, one should start with building a rapport, even with only a couple of sentences.
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What strikes me as rude are the drop-in posts from people who have clearly not been reading the thread offering canned advice (frequently not related to the advice people were seeking). I find that much more grating and off-putting than rather curt efforts to help ("food scale" or what not).
Since people clearly differ in what comes across as rude, and since typically the person gets a variety of different types of posts, I think it's probably better to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are NOT being rude. I admit I struggle with that too.12 -
mschosting wrote: »What I read constantly that I do not really agree is that everyone recommends a huge amount of protein per kg for weight loss.
I can't say I have seen people recommending protein for weight loss, but rather to preserve muscle during weight loss.6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Not for weight loss, for retention of muscle mass during weight loss. There have been extensive studies on this subject, with varying results, but in general if you are an older person losing weight, eating more than the recommended daily allowance of protein conserves muscle mass.mschosting wrote: »What I read constantly that I do not really agree is that everyone recommends a huge amount of protein per kg for weight loss.
Oops, you beat me to it.0 -
What strikes me as rude are the drop-in posts from people who have clearly not been reading the thread offering canned advice (frequently not related to the advice people were seeking). I find that much more grating and off-putting than rather curt efforts to help ("food scale" or what not).
Since people clearly differ in what comes across as rude, and since typically the person gets a variety of different types of posts, I think it's probably better to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are NOT being rude. I admit I struggle with that too.
That's the culture. Few people question themselves and don't know the difference between truth and opinion. Few have questioned themselves to understand why they believe what they believe.
This isn't rude to them, as they are only speaking "their truth".3 -
deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »UsE a fOoD ScALe
why do you disagree with this?
Because most people here believe its the be all end all of weight loss. Haven't weighted a single ounce of food in 6 months and doing just fine.
Maybe for skinny people trying to "lose weight" it may help but those of us with a ton to drop its unnecessary and a waste of time. As long as your mindful of portion sizes it does the same job.
this is why we recommend....i don't know about you but i struggle to see a visual difference between the 2
I can clearly see the one on the right has more peanut butter. However, without a food scale, I can't tell you how much more or how that would impact my choices for the rest of the day.
So I'll weigh the peanut butter I use and as long as I'm in the 90-100% range of the portion I'm seeking, I'll log it as 100%
If I'm over, I'll put some back.
For me, and it's sad that it seems I have to make this caveat, but it seems I must, that strategy works for me.
(I just finished 32g of Peanut Butter and 19g of Simply Fruit on four slices of Fit and Active (IIRC) bread from Aldi.)
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chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
You are right. Just like I cannot trim a 2x4 with a tape measure alone, I cannot lose weight by only measuring my intake. I must also measure my calorie burn and make sure I cut down my consumption to be less than my calorie burn.
I might be able to get my consumption below the burn without measuring. But I know where I am when I measure.3 -
What strikes me as rude are the drop-in posts from people who have clearly not been reading the thread offering canned advice (frequently not related to the advice people were seeking). I find that much more grating and off-putting than rather curt efforts to help ("food scale" or what not).
Since people clearly differ in what comes across as rude, and since typically the person gets a variety of different types of posts, I think it's probably better to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are NOT being rude. I admit I struggle with that too.
Or answers from people who appear to have read only part of the OP's thread and ask them something the OP already mentioned in their post.
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What strikes me as rude are the drop-in posts from people who have clearly not been reading the thread offering canned advice (frequently not related to the advice people were seeking). I find that much more grating and off-putting than rather curt efforts to help ("food scale" or what not).
Since people clearly differ in what comes across as rude, and since typically the person gets a variety of different types of posts, I think it's probably better to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are NOT being rude. I admit I struggle with that too.
Or answers from people who appear to have read only part of the OP's thread and ask them something the OP already mentioned in their post.
Along with inappropriate answers because the OP elaborated on some health issue in a later post - like people telling the poster how to cut calories on page two when the OP has revealed on page one that they are underweight and have body dysmorphia issues.7 -
What strikes me as rude are the drop-in posts from people who have clearly not been reading the thread offering canned advice (frequently not related to the advice people were seeking). I find that much more grating and off-putting than rather curt efforts to help ("food scale" or what not).
Since people clearly differ in what comes across as rude, and since typically the person gets a variety of different types of posts, I think it's probably better to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are NOT being rude. I admit I struggle with that too.
That's the culture. Few people question themselves and don't know the difference between truth and opinion. Few have questioned themselves to understand why they believe what they believe.
This isn't rude to them, as they are only speaking "their truth".
For me, it was part of the learning process.
Phase 1 - "I know nothing... someone help me."
Phase 2 - "I know a little... let's see if I can lose some weight (or whatever goal)"
Phase 3 - "I'm doing pretty well... I'll share my expertise with the world."
Phase 4 - "Wow, I don't know half as much as I thought I knew. Maybe I should shut up and listen a bit more."
Phase 5 - "There is no 1 right answer... It all depends."
Phase 6 - dunno... haven't gotten there yet10 -
What strikes me as rude are the drop-in posts from people who have clearly not been reading the thread offering canned advice (frequently not related to the advice people were seeking). I find that much more grating and off-putting than rather curt efforts to help ("food scale" or what not).
Since people clearly differ in what comes across as rude, and since typically the person gets a variety of different types of posts, I think it's probably better to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are NOT being rude. I admit I struggle with that too.
That's the culture. Few people question themselves and don't know the difference between truth and opinion. Few have questioned themselves to understand why they believe what they believe.
This isn't rude to them, as they are only speaking "their truth".
For me, it was part of the learning process.
Phase 1 - "I know nothing... someone help me."
Phase 2 - "I know a little... let's see if I can lose some weight (or whatever goal)"
Phase 3 - "I'm doing pretty well... I'll share my expertise with the world."
Phase 4 - "Wow, I don't know half as much as I thought I knew. Maybe I should shut up and listen a bit more."
Phase 5 - "There is no 1 right answer... It all depends."
Phase 6 - dunno... haven't gotten there yet
I love the list. For me it isn't a linear progression through the steps. It's more of a random roll of the dice on any particular day depending on the topic...2 -
What strikes me as rude are the drop-in posts from people who have clearly not been reading the thread offering canned advice (frequently not related to the advice people were seeking). I find that much more grating and off-putting than rather curt efforts to help ("food scale" or what not).
Since people clearly differ in what comes across as rude, and since typically the person gets a variety of different types of posts, I think it's probably better to try and give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are NOT being rude. I admit I struggle with that too.
That's the culture. Few people question themselves and don't know the difference between truth and opinion. Few have questioned themselves to understand why they believe what they believe.
This isn't rude to them, as they are only speaking "their truth".
For me, it was part of the learning process.
Phase 1 - "I know nothing... someone help me."
Phase 2 - "I know a little... let's see if I can lose some weight (or whatever goal)"
Phase 3 - "I'm doing pretty well... I'll share my expertise with the world."
Phase 4 - "Wow, I don't know half as much as I thought I knew. Maybe I should shut up and listen a bit more."
Phase 5 - "There is no 1 right answer... It all depends."
Phase 6 - dunno... haven't gotten there yet
I would say this is very close to my experience as well. I had to unlearn what I had "learned". Entered into the forums and my ideas met confrontation, to which I evaluated what I thought I knew.
Application of the Socratic method can take one very far.
I find it amazing how the availability of information has negatively impacted human questioning.4
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