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thank you nicky you said it better than I did. that's what I meant.0
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Unfortunately in the world of the internet, tone cannot be measured by words on a screen. I didn't feel it as being a judgemental post either. I just think we need to pull what we can from each and every post in forum, I personally like the idea of "cleaner" foods, which honestly I was obsessing over calories so much that I didn't even think about all the "better" choices I should be making even further. So I for 1 am very glad that this post was done.......now when I go shopping tonight I will be hitting the Whole Foods Market for many of the items I need.......
My thoughts.........:flowerforyou:
My sister has a lot of allergies and recently has begun growing her own vegetables and making all of her foods from 'scratch'. She's not consciously choosing to eat clean but that's basically what she's doing and while she's making no effort to lose weight she is losing.
So it's definitely a path to go down if you want to lose weight but I should point out that she finds that way of life very discouraging, disheartening and difficult to maintain. 0 -
I find this rather amusing... Sure, it is probably the most effective route to weight loss, and perhaps the most committed will take this route. I probably don't fall under the banner. But it reminds me of my own early attempts to build a following on this site.
It didn't happen, Michelle - partly because a lot of people found me judgmental - you should keep that in mind. Some people will find your attitude threatening. Some may use it as an excuse for falling off the wagon. You may be accused of making people feel bad about themselves and causing failure.
Then again, the only person whose success or failure (and how to define it) should really concern you is your own. :huh:0 -
Unfortunately in the world of the internet, tone cannot be measured by words on a screen. I didn't feel it as being a judgemental post either. I just think we need to pull what we can from each and every post in forum, I personally like the idea of "cleaner" foods, which honestly I was obsessing over calories so much that I didn't even think about all the "better" choices I should be making even further. So I for 1 am very glad that this post was done.......now when I go shopping tonight I will be hitting the Whole Foods Market for many of the items I need.......
My thoughts.........:flowerforyou:
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Sassiebritches you and I are on the exact same page!! I started feeling that way a little while ago and now I am so pumped up to keep making healthy choices.0 -
I am a strong advocate of finding a program that works for you. Of course, what I do may seem extreme to many of you, and perhaps it is compared to what you do. But others need that motivation from following a regimen that is more disciplined. If you can maintain your discipline with other programs, good for you. But here, clean eating, exercise (weight training and cardio), concise goals, and and no-nonsense, no excuses attitudes are what we are looking for.
Did you know that even with the rise of diets today, we actually have more OBESE people in the states than merely overweight? That more than 75% of Americans fall into one of these two categories? And why is this? 20% less activity, packaged, prepared food, eating 5% more calories than we used to, and a desire for quick fixes. Of course, sociocultural changes have led to the rise of the prepared food market, as well as more sedentary jobs and lifestyles.
As far as eating clean, again, it is a mindset. You can CHOOSE to feel miserable about your dietary needs and what you're missing out on, or you can see it as an opportunity to be creative, find out what you like and what works, and share the information with others for their benefit. Gluten-free anyone? You can CHOOSE to get your 1600 calories a day for big macs and fries, but no one is here arguing that it's good for you just because you're staying within your caloric limit.
As for the exercise, of course you can lose weight by just watching your diet. But I, for one, choose not to be a skinny fat person. Muscle gives your body shape and burns more calories. Also, your heart is a muscle and needs to be worked as well. Exercising, especially if you have a lot of weight to lose, allows your skin time to build collagen and bounce back as well, so you don't have as much loose skin when you DO lose the weight.
Goal setting is important because it gives you something to work towards. If you have a hazy idea in your head, how do you know when you've reached it? You don't. And therefore you might feel like you're on a constant path to nothingness. It's easy to just go through the motions of life, not really living but just doing, but what is admirable is when people strive to push themselves each and every day, physically and mentally. Will you look back 5 months from now and say, wow, I've accomplished x, x, and x, or hmm, I really didn't do much these past 5 months. The choice is yours.
Finally, it's easy to make excuses for ourselves and blame external forces. But there are some things that we just can't control, no matter how hard we try. It's more challenging, and more fulfilling, to work on things that you CAN control, such as your fitness, your nutrition, and your attitude. Developing strengths while overcoming weaknesses is what makes us grow as people.0 -
I guess I just don't understand the dispute here. If anyone read my posts as judgmental or condescending then I sincerely apologize as I did not mean it that way. I am just talking about *me* -- this way of life -- committed and discliplined to consistently eating clean and working out a lot -- is working for me, better than any "diet" I've ever tried. So I am just excited and I wasn't talking about anyone else but me (I don't think I aimed it towards anyone but me but if so, I apologize).
I for one am glad that this thread/group was started and I may not be "perfect" about eating but I sure am giving it my all, 100%, so I am happy to be here, sharing, and reading from other people who feel the same way.
Maybe if those of you who are not into this sort of thing could just let us have our rants and our thread... why put us down? Again I am not being judgmental, I am just really excited about what's happened for in my small little but all mine opinion, eating natural, healthy foods, avoiding processed foods and sugar, and being consistent about being healthy and working out, is the best way to go FOR ME. I would like to talk to other people who are "serious, dedicated and committed" to this like I am. So let's keep talking please. :flowerforyou: Peace! I am NOT an acrimonious person, I just don't understand this dispute.0 -
My sister has a lot of allergies and recently has begun growing her own vegetables and making all of her foods from 'scratch'. She's not consciously choosing to eat clean but that's basically what she's doing and while she's making no effort to lose weight she is losing. So it's definitely a path to go down if you want to lose weight but I should point out that she finds that way of life very discouraging, disheartening and difficult to maintain.
I'm wondering why she finds it discouraging and disheartening if it helps her with her allergies? (I'm assuming it does, or my next question would be why she does it if she doesn't like it and it doesn't help.)
I am sorry she is feeling that way about it, I feel the exact opposite way, but perhaps because I had a choice and not because I have to do it based on allergies etc. I can see how that might be frustrating. I'm not sure how long she's been doing that but it sounds like a very positive life change to me and I hope that maybe as time passes she won't find it so difficult to maintain. Best wishes to her!0 -
I think this is kinda a breath of fresh air. :flowerforyou:
It's a non-sugarcoating reminder that we're all in control of what we do and what we eat.
I think on some thread's we can be a little tooooooo supportive which gives a person permission to fail.
It's not for everyone, but I like the no-nonsense approach.
My .02. :flowerforyou:0 -
Well... to continue the chatting among those of us who like the idea and want to be here... I am headed to the gym to do a short run and then the Making the Cut workout program by Jillian Michaels with a girl friend of mine. We've been doing it for over two weeks and I love it!! I am so proud of us for staying on track, we started it once before and then stopped after a couple days but now we have been following it to a T and it's amazing.
Has anyone else tried it? We are wondering what we should do after we finish the 30-day program, so I would love recommendations. I feel like I got a personal trainer for the $12.00 price of that book!!! So I am looking for others like it.0 -
Neeterskeeter,
Have fun with your workout! Jillian Michaels, another woman who tells it like it is. I don't know if you knew this but Jillian weighed 175 pounds in high school, and she weighs around 115 these days. She doesn't take excuses, and neither should you! Way to go.
What kind of program are you looking for next? Running, strength, building muscle?0 -
I agree with Shannon. This might not be the approach for everyone but I always say it's about finding what will work for you and this could very well be what can do it!
Yes, unfortunately people do want to be supportive all the time when there are times that brutal honesty might work better. There is a happy medium that people need to find.
I incorporate a lot of the ideas into my day. So maybe people can start out slow and ease into it if it appeals to them.0 -
I did not know that and would have never guessed it about Jillian LOL. She is in fantastic shape.
I run all the time, no matter what. So I am looking for strength training and/or toning exercises, with which to supplement the running. I feel like her program really "thins" me out by making me look more tone and lean. I like how it's a full body workout that also incorporates cardio and is fast-paced. I like to fit in as much as I can in that 45-minute (or whatever) workout. I had never seen a book like hers so I wish it went for every day of the year instead of just 30 days...
I'm thinking I could just incorporate some of the exercises from that in each day. And maybe do more resistence training and isometrics (or whatever it's called LOL... the core training like her boat pose and all of that... it makes me feel stretched out and my muscles feel longer and leaner!)0 -
Thanks Tam and Shannon for your positive attitude. I just want us to all get along LOL 0
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FC, I love that you are always looking on the bright side. I agree with you, I just think the tone of the thread sounds judgmental: i read it as "if you aren't doing it the "RIGHT" way, then you don't measure up". that doesn't motivate, that is a discouragement. (IMHO, as always)
I kind of read it as more 'if you aren't doing it THIS WAY then you're not serious about being healthy.' Which is just as disheartening really.
I agree about was said it did sound like the rest of us who are here are not serious about losing weight. Isn't this the reason we are all here to lose weight and follow a healthy lifestyle? You do make a great point and everyone knows what we are supposed do but obviously for whatever reason we have not followed this advice. I thought this was a supportive forum non exclusive. The way you wrote was "Serious,Dedicated,Committed Member Only!" sounds like the rest of us are not being serious, or committed. Good Luck to you,but it sounded mean.0 -
FC, I love that you are always looking on the bright side. I agree with you, I just think the tone of the thread sounds judgmental: i read it as "if you aren't doing it the "RIGHT" way, then you don't measure up". that doesn't motivate, that is a discouragement. (IMHO, as always)
I kind of read it as more 'if you aren't doing it THIS WAY then you're not serious about being healthy.' Which is just as disheartening really.
I agree about was said it did sound like the rest of us who are here are not serious about losing weight. Isn't this the reason we are all here to lose weight and follow a healthy lifestyle? You do make a great point and everyone knows what we are supposed do but obviously for whatever reason we have not followed this advice. I thought this was a supportive forum non exclusive. The way you wrote was "Serious,Dedicated,Committed Member Only!" sounds like the rest of us are not being serious, or committed. Good Luck to you,but it sounded mean.
I think we all feel motivated in different ways. Some need hugs & cheerleading while others need a slap upside the head & their butt kicked.
Neither is right or wrong, it's just what works best for the individual.
Bottom line, good luck to all of us! :drinker:0 -
FC, I love that you are always looking on the bright side. I agree with you, I just think the tone of the thread sounds judgmental: i read it as "if you aren't doing it the "RIGHT" way, then you don't measure up". that doesn't motivate, that is a discouragement. (IMHO, as always)
I kind of read it as more 'if you aren't doing it THIS WAY then you're not serious about being healthy.' Which is just as disheartening really.
I agree about was said it did sound like the rest of us who are here are not serious about losing weight. Isn't this the reason we are all here to lose weight and follow a healthy lifestyle? You do make a great point and everyone knows what we are supposed do but obviously for whatever reason we have not followed this advice. I thought this was a supportive forum non exclusive. The way you wrote was "Serious,Dedicated,Committed Member Only!" sounds like the rest of us are not being serious, or committed. Good Luck to you,but it sounded mean.
:flowerforyou: I have to give ya a nod.
I would challenge anyone to say I am not a "Serious,Dedicated,Committed Member "0 -
FC, I love that you are always looking on the bright side. I agree with you, I just think the tone of the thread sounds judgmental: i read it as "if you aren't doing it the "RIGHT" way, then you don't measure up". that doesn't motivate, that is a discouragement. (IMHO, as always)
I kind of read it as more 'if you aren't doing it THIS WAY then you're not serious about being healthy.' Which is just as disheartening really.
I agree about was said it did sound like the rest of us who are here are not serious about losing weight. Isn't this the reason we are all here to lose weight and follow a healthy lifestyle? You do make a great point and everyone knows what we are supposed do but obviously for whatever reason we have not followed this advice. I thought this was a supportive forum non exclusive. The way you wrote was "Serious,Dedicated,Committed Member Only!" sounds like the rest of us are not being serious, or committed. Good Luck to you,but it sounded mean.
:flowerforyou: I have to give ya a nod.
I would challenge anyone to say I am not a "Serious,Dedicated,Committed Member "
or maybe I seriously need to be committed???:laugh:0 -
FC, I love that you are always looking on the bright side. I agree with you, I just think the tone of the thread sounds judgmental: i read it as "if you aren't doing it the "RIGHT" way, then you don't measure up". that doesn't motivate, that is a discouragement. (IMHO, as always)
I kind of read it as more 'if you aren't doing it THIS WAY then you're not serious about being healthy.' Which is just as disheartening really.
I dont get that tone from this post ...But I will be honest I do get that when I post anything in regards to my my "choice" not to eat my excercise calories ......Being told its unhealthy and will make you fail is pretty judgemental in itself....not to mention the "Its The ONLY way " jibberish0 -
I can understand your point of view....I've been there. I was more like you a couple years ago....more rigid about my eating habits, no-nonsense about the gym. Strict. I have since become more lenient to make things easier on myself and those around me.
But I wouldn't say I'm less committed or determined now. I am just more intuitive. I know what I can and can't handle in the gym om a given day. I experiment more with how I lift. I experiment more with how I eat. I buy what I can afford and make the best of it. Does that mean I have to sometimes eat processed food? Yes. Does that mean I'm not serious or that I don't care about my body? No. I am just as determined now as I was back then. But now I am flexible, because I need to be to fit school, work, and a relationship into my life, while still maintaining my humanity. Yes I eat a cookie now and then. Yes I have some days in the gym where I just go through the motions because I've worked and had tests all week. But I am just as serious and committed as a professional because I apply my hard earned knowledge in a practical way and work as hard as my body will allow. To say I'm anything less because I eat white potatoes or canned vegetables sometimes is fairly insulting.0 -
as usual, I agree with songbyrd. moderation can last. hyper-rigidity is much harder to maintain.
and Mya, I didn't tell you that you would fail, or that eating exercise cals was the only way. what I said was that Banks and the others (who have accomplished so much) have extensive data to back up their viewpoint. and I will be taking my advice from those who have used the system to a great successful result.0 -
Well as always to the point and a very good one I might add:drinker:
I think we all feel motivated in different ways. Some need hugs & cheerleading while others need a slap upside the head & their butt kicked.
Neither is right or wrong, it's just what works best for the individual.
Bottom line, good luck to all of us! :drinker:
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The first time I read this I didn't like the tone of it AT ALL. However, I just re-read it for the second time and I think I might need to really try this approach. As someone who binges regularly and will make excuses (like tonight when I ate half a pan of brownies because our heater isn't working...that excuse doesn't even make sense), I think a no-excuses attitude could be something I really need to have.
I still feel like I should not even be posting in this thread right now since I am NOT AT ALL a no-excuses kind of girl atm (as shown by my brownie story). I'm waiting for people to jump down my throat forbeing a big fatty with no control...0 -
I guess to nay-sayers...all I have to say is, oh well. Just because those of us who are here in this thread and agree with what is said does not mean you have to give passive-aggressive stabs at promoting our failure. Obviously, serious, dedicated, and committed are subjective, so if you feel you do your best, that's great.
Do what you want. It's up to you anyway. We can't stop you from eating bad food or force you to work out.
We all have school, relationships, work, and family to fit in. We do our best and forget the rest.
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I don't think you'll find yourself being called that here Chick a DeeThe first time I read this I didn't like the tone of it AT ALL. However, I just re-read it for the second time and I think I might need to really try this approach. As someone who binges regularly and will make excuses (like tonight when I ate half a pan of brownies because our heater isn't working...that excuse doesn't even make sense), I think a no-excuses attitude could be something I really need to have.
I still feel like I should not even be posting in this thread right now since I am NOT AT ALL a no-excuses kind of girl atm (as shown by my brownie story). I'm waiting for people to jump down my throat forbeing a big fatty with no control...
But maybe that's what you're saying to yourself in Your OWN Head? Maybe? So how about wrapping up the other half or freezing them or whatever it is you find you need to do with them to get the away from you and grabbing some water and ploppin a workout video, journaling about how you feel, resetting some goals...things like that might make a world of difference! I find being mad at myself can help for a bit but then I need to quickly move on or the other half gets eaten!:blushing: :noway: :sad: :laugh:
So the heater wasn't working, major stress can cause trigger food issues at times or whatever other issues we have learned to use for coping in the past... doesn't mean you're a loser:noway: , means this time you simply chose a less kind method of dealing with stress for yourself than you might the next time.:flowerforyou:
Stupid heater
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The first time I read this I didn't like the tone of it AT ALL. However, I just re-read it for the second time and I think I might need to really try this approach. As someone who binges regularly and will make excuses (like tonight when I ate half a pan of brownies because our heater isn't working...that excuse doesn't even make sense), I think a no-excuses attitude could be something I really need to have.
I still feel like I should not even be posting in this thread right now since I am NOT AT ALL a no-excuses kind of girl atm (as shown by my brownie story). I'm waiting for people to jump down my throat forbeing a big fatty with no control...
honesty like that is refreshing
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So the heater wasn't working, major stress cause trigger food issues or whatever other issues we have learned to use... doesn't mean you're a loser, means you chose a less kind method of dealing with stress for yourself than you might the next time.:flowerforyou:
FC
I love when you post here. Everything you say is always so positive and I really do appreciate the kind words, but I do make excuses and I use food to medicate my problems and when I try to tell myself I just messed up this once it won't happen again, I know it will. I'm just sick of doing it. I've been here a week and I haven't been able to do well food-wise (though I haven't missed a day at the gym), and I think total accountability really will help me.
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The first time I read this I didn't like the tone of it AT ALL. However, I just re-read it for the second time and I think I might need to really try this approach. As someone who binges regularly and will make excuses (like tonight when I ate half a pan of brownies because our heater isn't working...that excuse doesn't even make sense), I think a no-excuses attitude could be something I really need to have.
I still feel like I should not even be posting in this thread right now since I am NOT AT ALL a no-excuses kind of girl atm (as shown by my brownie story). I'm waiting for people to jump down my throat forbeing a big fatty with no control...
I think you should try it...its all baby steps ....I wish you much success!! Im gonna try to stick to this as well ...to help keep me accountable....I dont binge but this will definately help me steer clear of it.....Good Luck!!:drinker:0 -
I don't think you'll find yourself being called that here Chick a DeeThe first time I read this I didn't like the tone of it AT ALL. However, I just re-read it for the second time and I think I might need to really try this approach. As someone who binges regularly and will make excuses (like tonight when I ate half a pan of brownies because our heater isn't working...that excuse doesn't even make sense), I think a no-excuses attitude could be something I really need to have.
I still feel like I should not even be posting in this thread right now since I am NOT AT ALL a no-excuses kind of girl atm (as shown by my brownie story). I'm waiting for people to jump down my throat forbeing a big fatty with no control... But maybe that's what you're saying to yourself in Your OWN Head? Maybe? So how about wrapping up the other half or freezing them or whatever it is you find you need to do with them to get the away from you and grabbing some water and ploppin a workout video, journaling about how you feel, resetting some goals...things like that might make a world of difference! I find being mad at myself can help for a bit but then I need to quickly move on or the other half gets eaten!:blushing: :noway: :sad: :laugh:
So the heater wasn't working, major stress can cause trigger food issues at times or whatever other issues we have learned to use for coping in the past... doesn't mean you're a loser:noway: , means this time you simply chose a less kind method of dealing with stress for yourself than you might the next time.:flowerforyou:
Stupid heater
FC
FC, everything you write is like a hug made out of words. :smooched:0 -
The first time I read this I didn't like the tone of it AT ALL. However, I just re-read it for the second time and I think I might need to really try this approach. As someone who binges regularly and will make excuses (like tonight when I ate half a pan of brownies because our heater isn't working...that excuse doesn't even make sense), I think a no-excuses attitude could be something I really need to have.
I still feel like I should not even be posting in this thread right now since I am NOT AT ALL a no-excuses kind of girl atm (as shown by my brownie story). I'm waiting for people to jump down my throat forbeing a big fatty with no control...
Tailia,
We won't exclude you because you ate half a pan of brownies. But, maybe it would help if you consider your body as a business. The brownies are a sunk cost. You'll never get those calories back, but you can learn from your mistake. When starting your business, you create a plan, just like you should do with your fitness and nutrition. You write a mission statement. You have a vision. You have long-term and short-term goals clearly defined, and whenever you venture too far off your path, you return to your business plan and mission statement and refocus yourself. Tomorrow is another day. But we won't be telling you that eating a pan of brownies is ok. We'll just tell you to learn from it, move on, and don't let it happen again! Evaluate why it happened (lack of preparation? stress? It was just there?), and do your absolute best to make sure you don't have a situation where it could happen again.
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I added more to my post:laugh: Well when I'm kind I never mean it to be so someone can make excuses but more so perhaps a person can give up the beating up part which never has worked for me and be able to acknowledge their behavior, chalk it up to an OOPS, damn I wanna NOT do that next time... so let's take time to do that now.....sort of thing.So the heater wasn't working, major stress cause trigger food issues or whatever other issues we have learned to use... doesn't mean you're a loser, means you chose a less kind method of dealing with stress for yourself than you might the next time.:flowerforyou:
FC
I love when you post here. Everything you say is always so positive and I really do appreciate the kind words, but I do make excuses and I use food to medicate my problems and when I try to tell myself I just messed up this once it won't happen again, I know it will. I'm just sick of doing it. I've been here a week and I haven't been able to do well food-wise (though I haven't missed a day at the gym), and I think total accountability really will help me.
:flowerforyou:
So if I come across as kind and positive while doing that ...YAY!
I just know that beating myself up never helps me move forward, but honesty does!
and thanks btw...:drinker:
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