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magnusthenerd wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »foreverhealthy3 wrote: »this is one topic that has so much debate. I haven't tried it because it leans toward fatty food and my triglycerides and cholesterol, don't need extra added to it. I read a lot of posting and didn't see anyone say how their blood work is turning out; for someone older, cholesterol is a concern.
in my opinion, only
As a very general rule, for people without FH, triglycerides tend to drop, HDL tends to go up, and LDL usually strays about the same although ostriches particle size tends to improve when someone eats a ketogenic diet. Also, inflammatory markers usually drop, and insulin is reduced - all positives when it comes to CAD or CVD. Ymmv
Eating foods rich in cholesterol will not usually make your cholesterol worse.
But for older people, especially women, we know that higher cholesterol is associated with better health, lower CAD and All cause mortality. Lowering it may not be helpful in the long run anyways.
Not sure how spell check got ostriches from particles.
I agree that weight loss and exercise will impact cholesterol as well, but I am not sure if it is the greatest impact, or even more than diet or genetic issues.
Find me a study with weight loss that doesn't improve metabolic markers. That information is pretty common. Its why all diets with weight loss lead to the conclusion you suggest for keto.
If you think the diet makes a big difference, watch the impact as you gain weight. And if you compare body low fat and low carb diets, there is no statistical difference in weight loss or metabolic marker difference to include insulin, cvd risk or all cause mortality.
I KNOW that weight loss improves lipids. I agreed with you. I just questioned if There was evidence to back up your statement.
Keto's effects on lipids (and BG control for that matter) are seen in many without weight loss, or significant weight loss. A diet of excess calories and high fat, low carb, seems to be able to shift triglycerides and some lipids within days.
But I'm not arguing that weight loss can improve lipids. I just don't know how accurate it is to sayforeverhealthy3 wrote: »this is one topic that has so much debate. I haven't tried it because it leans toward fatty food and my triglycerides and cholesterol, don't need extra added to it. I read a lot of posting and didn't see anyone say how their blood work is turning out; for someone older, cholesterol is a concern.
in my opinion, only
Weight loss and exercise has the greatest impact on metabolic health. For all intents and purposes, its 95% of the equation. Focus on that and don't stress diet too much. Eat the one that will give you the highest rate of success.
You don't know how accurate that statement is, or you want to believe that keto alone with no weight loss is just as good?
Is there a weight loss vs keto control study? That would be the easy way to solve it.
And yes, its fully recognized the benefits of BG control in diabetic patients.... No argument there.
There is also conflicting evidence on how lipids are effected on lchf or keto. Some see large increases in LDL, which may not be beneficial. The argument on particulate size or other biomarkers hasn't exactly been accepted widely.
I think it was your opinion and not based on evidence. Weight loss and exercise are effective. Yes. That's proven. Is it the most effective? Who knows. There is no evidence either way.
I have seen eucaloric studies (and quite a few case studies) on keto and health benefits on lipids and BG. Numbers generally improve without weight loss. You are right, it isn't everybody.
I don't have the studies book marked. I might go searching later.
That information was disputed by Dom D'Agistino when Layne Norton brought it up.
Also, speaking in generalities isnt beneficial. Have enough people and you don't see significant impacts across the individual, as demonstrated below.
https://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(18)31432-1/fulltext
I think generalities is what most want to see around here. Case studies and n=1 are usually run out on the rails.
The article you linked is on LDL-c. It went up. It's LDL-C... the jury's out on whether that is worth anything beyond those with FH or markers of metabolic syndrome. In and of itself, LDL levels mean very little.
Plus they did not look into LDL-P or particle size, or HDL, nor did they look at those with metabolic syndrome, which is the group most impacted, as I mentioned up thread. In healthy people, whose lipids don't need improving, I imagine improvements would be small or none. If it ain't broke, don't fix it seems to apply here.
I fail to see what part of this statement has anything to do with LDL-c NOT being a lipid.
It was simplified language to refer to a lipid panel.
The statement was not about LDL-c not being a lipid.
It was stated that lipids are affected by ketosis.
Instead of countering that claim, you've moved on to skepticism of a particular lipid as diagnostic.
By moving the goal post, it seems you're conceding the point: ketosis has an impact on lipids compared to other isocaloric diets.
I was saying yes, lipids are generally affected by ketosis, usually for the better, although LDL-c can go up in some. What I am questioning is whether LDL-c is a very good indicator of anything having to do with heart disease. As far as I can tell, higher LDL is an issue when triglycerides are high, HDL is low, BP and BG and insulin is high, LDL pattern size is poor, and CRP is high. Having a higher LDL when everything else is improving (generally speaking) is has not been shown to be a bad thing in any study.
This is an okay look at isocaloric diets, although not very long.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1368980/
Virta Health is one of the longer ketogenic studies, but it did involve weight loss for most participants.
https://blog.virtahealth.com/blood-lipid-changes-with-ketogenic-diet/
So yes, keto has an impact on lipids and it is usually good.5 -
I started Keto in May 2017 when I was 34, 5 ft tall, and 185 pounds. I work with kids so I run all day and just could not manage to lose anything strictly by counting calories. I had a wake up moment, found Keto and lost 45 lbs. I’ve gone off once, using more of a paleo approach and felt poorly. Bottom line, if you find what works for you and makes you feel good, that’s what is important. I’m between a size 4 and 6 now (even though to look at charts I’m still over weight) I exercise daily, and I feel amazing. You really should research so you don’t mess up or have side effects and whatever you try think of it as your way of eating, not a diet to be on.3
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joleenstamour8651 wrote: »I started Keto in May 2017 when I was 34, 5 ft tall, and 185 pounds. I work with kids so I run all day and just could not manage to lose anything strictly by counting calories. I had a wake up moment, found Keto and lost 45 lbs. I’ve gone off once, using more of a paleo approach and felt poorly. Bottom line, if you find what works for you and makes you feel good, that’s what is important. I’m between a size 4 and 6 now (even though to look at charts I’m still over weight) I exercise daily, and I feel amazing. You really should research so you don’t mess up or have side effects and whatever you try think of it as your way of eating, not a diet to be on.
even with keto you have to be in a deficit if you dont count calories your body does. you cannot eat as much as you want on keto and lose it doesnt work that way, nor does any other way of eating. if you arent in a deficit you wont lose. many here have gained weight doing keto because they ate too much.
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even with keto you have to be in a deficit if you dont count calories your body does. you cannot eat as much as you want on keto and lose it doesnt work that way, nor does any other way of eating. if you arent in a deficit you wont lose. many here have gained weight doing keto because they ate too much.
Absolutely, I should have specified. I meant that calorie counting alone (even with whole/healthy food choices) did not work for me. I think that is probably why I prefer this way of eating, I don’t have to try hard or feel hungry to be in a deficit. Nor do I deal with the energy drain I felt before.7 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »foreverhealthy3 wrote: »this is one topic that has so much debate. I haven't tried it because it leans toward fatty food and my triglycerides and cholesterol, don't need extra added to it. I read a lot of posting and didn't see anyone say how their blood work is turning out; for someone older, cholesterol is a concern.
in my opinion, only
As a very general rule, for people without FH, triglycerides tend to drop, HDL tends to go up, and LDL usually strays about the same although ostriches particle size tends to improve when someone eats a ketogenic diet. Also, inflammatory markers usually drop, and insulin is reduced - all positives when it comes to CAD or CVD. Ymmv
Eating foods rich in cholesterol will not usually make your cholesterol worse.
But for older people, especially women, we know that higher cholesterol is associated with better health, lower CAD and All cause mortality. Lowering it may not be helpful in the long run anyways.
Not sure how spell check got ostriches from particles.
I agree that weight loss and exercise will impact cholesterol as well, but I am not sure if it is the greatest impact, or even more than diet or genetic issues.
Find me a study with weight loss that doesn't improve metabolic markers. That information is pretty common. Its why all diets with weight loss lead to the conclusion you suggest for keto.
If you think the diet makes a big difference, watch the impact as you gain weight. And if you compare body low fat and low carb diets, there is no statistical difference in weight loss or metabolic marker difference to include insulin, cvd risk or all cause mortality.
I KNOW that weight loss improves lipids. I agreed with you. I just questioned if There was evidence to back up your statement.
Keto's effects on lipids (and BG control for that matter) are seen in many without weight loss, or significant weight loss. A diet of excess calories and high fat, low carb, seems to be able to shift triglycerides and some lipids within days.
But I'm not arguing that weight loss can improve lipids. I just don't know how accurate it is to sayforeverhealthy3 wrote: »this is one topic that has so much debate. I haven't tried it because it leans toward fatty food and my triglycerides and cholesterol, don't need extra added to it. I read a lot of posting and didn't see anyone say how their blood work is turning out; for someone older, cholesterol is a concern.
in my opinion, only
Weight loss and exercise has the greatest impact on metabolic health. For all intents and purposes, its 95% of the equation. Focus on that and don't stress diet too much. Eat the one that will give you the highest rate of success.
You don't know how accurate that statement is, or you want to believe that keto alone with no weight loss is just as good?
Is there a weight loss vs keto control study? That would be the easy way to solve it.
And yes, its fully recognized the benefits of BG control in diabetic patients.... No argument there.
There is also conflicting evidence on how lipids are effected on lchf or keto. Some see large increases in LDL, which may not be beneficial. The argument on particulate size or other biomarkers hasn't exactly been accepted widely.
I think it was your opinion and not based on evidence. Weight loss and exercise are effective. Yes. That's proven. Is it the most effective? Who knows. There is no evidence either way.
I have seen eucaloric studies (and quite a few case studies) on keto and health benefits on lipids and BG. Numbers generally improve without weight loss. You are right, it isn't everybody.
I don't have the studies book marked. I might go searching later.
That information was disputed by Dom D'Agistino when Layne Norton brought it up.
Also, speaking in generalities isnt beneficial. Have enough people and you don't see significant impacts across the individual, as demonstrated below.
https://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(18)31432-1/fulltext
I think generalities is what most want to see around here. Case studies and n=1 are usually run out on the rails.
The article you linked is on LDL-c. It went up. It's LDL-C... the jury's out on whether that is worth anything beyond those with FH or markers of metabolic syndrome. In and of itself, LDL levels mean very little.
Plus they did not look into LDL-P or particle size, or HDL, nor did they look at those with metabolic syndrome, which is the group most impacted, as I mentioned up thread. In healthy people, whose lipids don't need improving, I imagine improvements would be small or none. If it ain't broke, don't fix it seems to apply here.
I fail to see what part of this statement has anything to do with LDL-c NOT being a lipid.
It was simplified language to refer to a lipid panel.
The statement was not about LDL-c not being a lipid.
It was stated that lipids are affected by ketosis.
Instead of countering that claim, you've moved on to skepticism of a particular lipid as diagnostic.
By moving the goal post, it seems you're conceding the point: ketosis has an impact on lipids compared to other isocaloric diets.
I was saying yes, lipids are generally affected by ketosis, usually for the better, although LDL-c can go up in some. What I am questioning is whether LDL-c is a very good indicator of anything having to do with heart disease. As far as I can tell, higher LDL is an issue when triglycerides are high, HDL is low, BP and BG and insulin is high, LDL pattern size is poor, and CRP is high. Having a higher LDL when everything else is improving (generally speaking) is has not been shown to be a bad thing in any study.
This is an okay look at isocaloric diets, although not very long.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1368980/
Virta Health is one of the longer ketogenic studies, but it did involve weight loss for most participants.
https://blog.virtahealth.com/blood-lipid-changes-with-ketogenic-diet/
So yes, keto has an impact on lipids and it is usually good.
Well since you're acknowledging the point and moving on...
Not sure the point of a weight loss study. At best, if a weight loss scenario involves worsening lipids, it is a very bad idea. Frankly though, improving almost any health marker is likely with a deficit diet.2 -
I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.4
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trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
49 lbs since october? how low are your calories?0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
49 lbs since october? how low are your calories?
He said 27 lbs since October.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
49 lbs since october? how low are your calories?
He said 27 lbs since October.
he said 49 lbs total but 27 on keto. while it says he started keto AND IF in october,it doesnt clarify how far after the low calorie diet he started the keto and IF. maybe he can clarify that
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trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
Now at 68 my health and health markers continue to improve. My long term health issue has been the side effects of the Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis. It has taken a long time but I am seeing some reversing of the ankylosing spondylitis which makes driving and most everything easier to do due to joints starting to move a few degrees in some areas.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
About a month ago I started eating some of fruit and whole food carb sources (no processed foods) after being off that for 4 years. My Blood Pressure started to drift up, headaches started to return and the worse of all my pitting edema in my lower legs returned. These are all gone now that I am back to keeping my daily carbs down to around 50 grams daily.
Best of continued success.14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
49 lbs since october? how low are your calories?
No, 49 pounds since Jan. 1 of 2018. 27lbs on Keto since the end of October. Sorry for the confusion.0 -
trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
Hey, guess I need to clarify...sorry. 49 pounds total since Jan 1. 2018 but 27 of those came since the end of October when I started Keto.2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
4,000 calories is a lot of calories for 68 year old to burn in a day with just walking, not running.
I'd also be interested in what study shows a 250 calorie change in metabolism for ketosis. It would tend to go against most of the literature on the subject I've ever seen.7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/
It was 209 greater calories in TDEE. There was no difference in Resting Expenditure, which is what a keto burn would imply.
Even that claim seems to be based on assuming the calorie intake for the groups are accurate. Yet this wasn't any kind of metabolic ward study. Given observations in wards, it is more likely the low carb group was eating more than reported.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/
That was a twenty-week study and the article itself discloses that other studies have shown different results. Why would this particular study make you "sure" that you're burning more calories while it's obviously still not established and replicated?9 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
4,000 calories is a lot of calories for 68 year old to burn in a day with just walking, not running.
I'd also be interested in what study shows a 250 calorie change in metabolism for ketosis. It would tend to go against most of the literature on the subject I've ever seen.
But the 3000 calories days may make things average out.
If you are new here Oct 2014 on a hunch I cut out all foods containing added sugars and or any form of any grain. Then I learned about Keto and started to keeping my carbs just under 50 daily. It was for pain management and to dodge the risks associated with Enbrel injection usage long term that I was planning to start in Nov 2014. I read a number of cancer protocols just using food hoping to lower my increased risk from the Enbrel. I was in a very poor state of health at that time and needed help just to get and out of cars.
Just 30 days later my new Way Of Eating was dropping my 40 years of high pain levels so I told the MD's that I would not be starting Enbrel injections just yet. Now I have much less pain than I can ever remember in my life with no Rx Med usage.
From time to time when setting at McDonalds I go online and guesstimate my calories but I do not normally track or count anything so there are no logs but I do weigh twice each morning to track my hydration levels.
As noted I am not in the weight loss mindset and never plan to do so. I eat the WOE mentioned above for my health. I eat when I get hungry until I want to stop eating. Keto somehow seemed to fix my disorder eating that included cakes, pies, ice cream and the likes. No cravings brings a level of eating freedom I never knew until I was 63. While some say Keto can not fix their health concerns and I am sure they are correct I know how Keto is helping me recover my health. My main long term focus is to eat in a way that gives me the potential to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way. In fact I have invited a few to my 110th Birthday Bash.
Best to your health as well. MFP is an awesome site with something for everyone.9 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
4,000 calories is a lot of calories for 68 year old to burn in a day with just walking, not running.
I'd also be interested in what study shows a 250 calorie change in metabolism for ketosis. It would tend to go against most of the literature on the subject I've ever seen.
But the 3000 calories days may make things average out.
If you are new here Oct 2014 on a hunch I cut out all foods containing added sugars and or any form of any grain. Then I learned about Keto and started to keeping my carbs just under 50 daily. It was for pain management and to dodge the risks associated with Enbrel injection usage long term that I was planning to start in Nov 2014. I read a number of cancer protocols just using food hoping to lower my increased risk from the Enbrel. I was in a very poor state of health at that time and needed help just to get and out of cars.
Just 30 days later my new Way Of Eating was dropping my 40 years of high pain levels so I told the MD's that I would not be starting Enbrel injections just yet. Now I have much less pain than I can ever remember in my life with no Rx Med usage.
From time to time when setting at McDonalds I go online and guesstimate my calories but I do not normally track or count anything so there are no logs but I do weigh twice each morning to track my hydration levels.
As noted I am not in the weight loss mindset and never plan to do so. I eat the WOE mentioned above for my health. I eat when I get hungry until I want to stop eating. Keto somehow seemed to fix my disorder eating that included cakes, pies, ice cream and the likes. No cravings brings a level of eating freedom I never knew until I was 63. While some say Keto can not fix their health concerns and I am sure they are correct I know how Keto is helping me recover my health. My main long term focus is to eat in a way that gives me the potential to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way. In fact I have invited a few to my 110th Birthday Bash.
Best to your health as well. MFP is an awesome site with something for everyone.
Seems a lot of under powered statistics in proportion to the claimed causative, but alright. Nice you're doing better now than you were, whatever the attribution.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
4,000 calories is a lot of calories for 68 year old to burn in a day with just walking, not running.
I'd also be interested in what study shows a 250 calorie change in metabolism for ketosis. It would tend to go against most of the literature on the subject I've ever seen.
But the 3000 calories days may make things average out.
If you are new here Oct 2014 on a hunch I cut out all foods containing added sugars and or any form of any grain. Then I learned about Keto and started to keeping my carbs just under 50 daily. It was for pain management and to dodge the risks associated with Enbrel injection usage long term that I was planning to start in Nov 2014. I read a number of cancer protocols just using food hoping to lower my increased risk from the Enbrel. I was in a very poor state of health at that time and needed help just to get and out of cars.
Just 30 days later my new Way Of Eating was dropping my 40 years of high pain levels so I told the MD's that I would not be starting Enbrel injections just yet. Now I have much less pain than I can ever remember in my life with no Rx Med usage.
From time to time when setting at McDonalds I go online and guesstimate my calories but I do not normally track or count anything so there are no logs but I do weigh twice each morning to track my hydration levels.
As noted I am not in the weight loss mindset and never plan to do so. I eat the WOE mentioned above for my health. I eat when I get hungry until I want to stop eating. Keto somehow seemed to fix my disorder eating that included cakes, pies, ice cream and the likes. No cravings brings a level of eating freedom I never knew until I was 63. While some say Keto can not fix their health concerns and I am sure they are correct I know how Keto is helping me recover my health. My main long term focus is to eat in a way that gives me the potential to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way. In fact I have invited a few to my 110th Birthday Bash.
Best to your health as well. MFP is an awesome site with something for everyone.
Guesstimating a few high days doesn't mean that was your actual calories. Last time we had the discussion, your estimate was 2000-3000 calories. So it's appears there has been inflation based on random low carb studies. I doubt, you would even be remotely near those actual levels of TDEE if you did metabolic chamber testing. Considering I am half your age and lift 5 days a week (with no cardio), and I meticulously track, I can say my TDEE is 2800-3000 calories.6
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