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GaleHawkins wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
4,000 calories is a lot of calories for 68 year old to burn in a day with just walking, not running.
I'd also be interested in what study shows a 250 calorie change in metabolism for ketosis. It would tend to go against most of the literature on the subject I've ever seen.
But the 3000 calories days may make things average out.
If you are new here Oct 2014 on a hunch I cut out all foods containing added sugars and or any form of any grain. Then I learned about Keto and started to keeping my carbs just under 50 daily. It was for pain management and to dodge the risks associated with Enbrel injection usage long term that I was planning to start in Nov 2014. I read a number of cancer protocols just using food hoping to lower my increased risk from the Enbrel. I was in a very poor state of health at that time and needed help just to get and out of cars.
Just 30 days later my new Way Of Eating was dropping my 40 years of high pain levels so I told the MD's that I would not be starting Enbrel injections just yet. Now I have much less pain than I can ever remember in my life with no Rx Med usage.
From time to time when setting at McDonalds I go online and guesstimate my calories but I do not normally track or count anything so there are no logs but I do weigh twice each morning to track my hydration levels.
As noted I am not in the weight loss mindset and never plan to do so. I eat the WOE mentioned above for my health. I eat when I get hungry until I want to stop eating. Keto somehow seemed to fix my disorder eating that included cakes, pies, ice cream and the likes. No cravings brings a level of eating freedom I never knew until I was 63. While some say Keto can not fix their health concerns and I am sure they are correct I know how Keto is helping me recover my health. My main long term focus is to eat in a way that gives me the potential to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way. In fact I have invited a few to my 110th Birthday Bash.
Best to your health as well. MFP is an awesome site with something for everyone.
Guesstimating a few high days doesn't mean that was your actual calories. Last time we had the discussion, your estimate was 2000-3000 calories. So it's appears there has been inflation based on random low carb studies. I doubt, you would even be remotely near those actual levels of TDEE if you did metabolic chamber testing. Considering I am half your age and lift 5 days a week (with no cardio), and I meticulously track, I can say my TDEE is 2800-3000 calories.
2000, 3000, 4000, can we get 5000? You sir in the redshirt?8 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/
It was 209 greater calories in TDEE. There was no difference in Resting Expenditure, which is what a keto burn would imply.
Even that claim seems to be based on assuming the calorie intake for the groups are accurate. Yet this wasn't any kind of metabolic ward study. Given observations in wards, it is more likely the low carb group was eating more than reported.
If you are interested, here is the actual study: https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583
Overall, it's not a bad designed study. This one, unlike Ludwig's previous studies, actually controls protein. But it's still a free living study with nutritional counseling as opposed to metabolic chamber testing. It notes "slight" increases in activity in the low carb groups. In comparison, the moderate carb group had a similar TDEE (~50 calorie different), which is still higher than the high carb group. It's possible I a missed it, but I saw no changes to RMR.
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magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/
It was 209 greater calories in TDEE. There was no difference in Resting Expenditure, which is what a keto burn would imply.
Even that claim seems to be based on assuming the calorie intake for the groups are accurate. Yet this wasn't any kind of metabolic ward study. Given observations in wards, it is more likely the low carb group was eating more than reported.
If you are interested, here is the actual study: https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583
Overall, it's not a bad designed study. This one, unlike Ludwig's previous studies, actually controls protein. But it's still a free living study with nutritional counseling as opposed to metabolic chamber testing. It notes "slight" increases in activity in the low carb groups. In comparison, the moderate carb group had a similar TDEE (~50 calorie different), which is still higher than the high carb group. It's possible I a missed it, but I saw no changes to RMR.
I had the study, where do you think I got the number 209 from? Given it isn't a metabolic ward study and all maintained calories, I'm inclined to think there's just reporting errors over an actual figit spinner effect from being ketotaller1 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
4,000 calories is a lot of calories for 68 year old to burn in a day with just walking, not running.
I'd also be interested in what study shows a 250 calorie change in metabolism for ketosis. It would tend to go against most of the literature on the subject I've ever seen.
But the 3000 calories days may make things average out.
If you are new here Oct 2014 on a hunch I cut out all foods containing added sugars and or any form of any grain. Then I learned about Keto and started to keeping my carbs just under 50 daily. It was for pain management and to dodge the risks associated with Enbrel injection usage long term that I was planning to start in Nov 2014. I read a number of cancer protocols just using food hoping to lower my increased risk from the Enbrel. I was in a very poor state of health at that time and needed help just to get and out of cars.
Just 30 days later my new Way Of Eating was dropping my 40 years of high pain levels so I told the MD's that I would not be starting Enbrel injections just yet. Now I have much less pain than I can ever remember in my life with no Rx Med usage.
From time to time when setting at McDonalds I go online and guesstimate my calories but I do not normally track or count anything so there are no logs but I do weigh twice each morning to track my hydration levels.
As noted I am not in the weight loss mindset and never plan to do so. I eat the WOE mentioned above for my health. I eat when I get hungry until I want to stop eating. Keto somehow seemed to fix my disorder eating that included cakes, pies, ice cream and the likes. No cravings brings a level of eating freedom I never knew until I was 63. While some say Keto can not fix their health concerns and I am sure they are correct I know how Keto is helping me recover my health. My main long term focus is to eat in a way that gives me the potential to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way. In fact I have invited a few to my 110th Birthday Bash.
Best to your health as well. MFP is an awesome site with something for everyone.
Guesstimating a few high days doesn't mean that was your actual calories. Last time we had the discussion, your estimate was 2000-3000 calories. So it's appears there has been inflation based on random low carb studies. I doubt, you would even be remotely near those actual levels of TDEE if you did metabolic chamber testing. Considering I am half your age and lift 5 days a week (with no cardio), and I meticulously track, I can say my TDEE is 2800-3000 calories.
2000, 3000, 4000, can we get 5000? You sir in the redshirt?
Well, we know what happens to the guys in the red shirts.
I haven't had a chance to read the actual study, but thanks everyone for summarizing for me!3 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/
It was 209 greater calories in TDEE. There was no difference in Resting Expenditure, which is what a keto burn would imply.
Even that claim seems to be based on assuming the calorie intake for the groups are accurate. Yet this wasn't any kind of metabolic ward study. Given observations in wards, it is more likely the low carb group was eating more than reported.
If you are interested, here is the actual study: https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583
Overall, it's not a bad designed study. This one, unlike Ludwig's previous studies, actually controls protein. But it's still a free living study with nutritional counseling as opposed to metabolic chamber testing. It notes "slight" increases in activity in the low carb groups. In comparison, the moderate carb group had a similar TDEE (~50 calorie different), which is still higher than the high carb group. It's possible I a missed it, but I saw no changes to RMR.
I had the study, where do you think I got the number 209 from? Given it isn't a metabolic ward study and all maintained calories, I'm inclined to think there's just reporting errors over an actual figit spinner effect from being ketotaller
Sorry. I thought you got that from the website posted to summarize the study.0 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
4,000 calories is a lot of calories for 68 year old to burn in a day with just walking, not running.
I'd also be interested in what study shows a 250 calorie change in metabolism for ketosis. It would tend to go against most of the literature on the subject I've ever seen.
But the 3000 calories days may make things average out.
If you are new here Oct 2014 on a hunch I cut out all foods containing added sugars and or any form of any grain. Then I learned about Keto and started to keeping my carbs just under 50 daily. It was for pain management and to dodge the risks associated with Enbrel injection usage long term that I was planning to start in Nov 2014. I read a number of cancer protocols just using food hoping to lower my increased risk from the Enbrel. I was in a very poor state of health at that time and needed help just to get and out of cars.
Just 30 days later my new Way Of Eating was dropping my 40 years of high pain levels so I told the MD's that I would not be starting Enbrel injections just yet. Now I have much less pain than I can ever remember in my life with no Rx Med usage.
From time to time when setting at McDonalds I go online and guesstimate my calories but I do not normally track or count anything so there are no logs but I do weigh twice each morning to track my hydration levels.
As noted I am not in the weight loss mindset and never plan to do so. I eat the WOE mentioned above for my health. I eat when I get hungry until I want to stop eating. Keto somehow seemed to fix my disorder eating that included cakes, pies, ice cream and the likes. No cravings brings a level of eating freedom I never knew until I was 63. While some say Keto can not fix their health concerns and I am sure they are correct I know how Keto is helping me recover my health. My main long term focus is to eat in a way that gives me the potential to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way. In fact I have invited a few to my 110th Birthday Bash.
Best to your health as well. MFP is an awesome site with something for everyone.
Seems a lot of under powered statistics in proportion to the claimed causative, but alright. Nice you're doing better now than you were, whatever the attribution.
You make a good point. I can only say my health is improving and my medical team is seeing some reversal of my Ankylosing Spondylitis physical limitations. Where it is due to Keto, my mindset, etc is unknown to me today.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/
That was a twenty-week study and the article itself discloses that other studies have shown different results. Why would this particular study make you "sure" that you're burning more calories while it's obviously still not established and replicated?
As you know I put no stock into this particular or other studies about calories because I put no stock into calories in general when it comes to health in general. Today we really do not know how the human body uses energy or why two people with seemingly equal CICO numbers yet they maintain, gain or lose at different rates. I am convinced calories are just a very small fraction of the weight/health equation.
While I am not concerned about calories because I have personally found no reason to do so I am interested to learn more how quantum mechanics/physics impacts human health and the difference between Eastern and Western Medicine modes and results.
https://quantumuniversity.com/integrative-medicine/quantum-physics-integrative-medicine/20 -
trailjunkey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
49 lbs since october? how low are your calories?
No, 49 pounds since Jan. 1 of 2018. 27lbs on Keto since the end of October. Sorry for the confusion.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
Now at 68 my health and health markers continue to improve. My long term health issue has been the side effects of the Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis. It has taken a long time but I am seeing some reversing of the ankylosing spondylitis which makes driving and most everything easier to do due to joints starting to move a few degrees in some areas.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
About a month ago I started eating some of fruit and whole food carb sources (no processed foods) after being off that for 4 years. My Blood Pressure started to drift up, headaches started to return and the worse of all my pitting edema in my lower legs returned. These are all gone now that I am back to keeping my daily carbs down to around 50 grams daily.
Best of continued success.
McDonalds isn’t processed food?5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
Now at 68 my health and health markers continue to improve. My long term health issue has been the side effects of the Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis. It has taken a long time but I am seeing some reversing of the ankylosing spondylitis which makes driving and most everything easier to do due to joints starting to move a few degrees in some areas.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
About a month ago I started eating some of fruit and whole food carb sources (no processed foods) after being off that for 4 years. My Blood Pressure started to drift up, headaches started to return and the worse of all my pitting edema in my lower legs returned. These are all gone now that I am back to keeping my daily carbs down to around 50 grams daily.
Best of continued success.
McDonalds isn’t processed food?
Not that violates my no added sugars and or any form of grains yet be low carb.9 -
Ahh personal definitions. See this is why it’s so hard to clarify when someone says “you must cut out processed foods to be healthy” what exactly they mean.GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
Now at 68 my health and health markers continue to improve. My long term health issue has been the side effects of the Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis. It has taken a long time but I am seeing some reversing of the ankylosing spondylitis which makes driving and most everything easier to do due to joints starting to move a few degrees in some areas.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
About a month ago I started eating some of fruit and whole food carb sources (no processed foods) after being off that for 4 years. My Blood Pressure started to drift up, headaches started to return and the worse of all my pitting edema in my lower legs returned. These are all gone now that I am back to keeping my daily carbs down to around 50 grams daily.
Best of continued success.
McDonalds isn’t processed food?
Not that violates my no added sugars and or any form of grains yet be low carb.
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It is useful to declare proprietary definitions before usage. It prevents having a semantics discussion over actually addressing if facts or entailments are the disagreement.5
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WinoGelato wrote: »
Ahh personal definitions. See this is why it’s so hard to clarify when someone says “you must cut out processed foods to be healthy” what exactly they mean.GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
Now at 68 my health and health markers continue to improve. My long term health issue has been the side effects of the Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis. It has taken a long time but I am seeing some reversing of the ankylosing spondylitis which makes driving and most everything easier to do due to joints starting to move a few degrees in some areas.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
About a month ago I started eating some of fruit and whole food carb sources (no processed foods) after being off that for 4 years. My Blood Pressure started to drift up, headaches started to return and the worse of all my pitting edema in my lower legs returned. These are all gone now that I am back to keeping my daily carbs down to around 50 grams daily.
Best of continued success.
McDonalds isn’t processed food?
Not that violates my no added sugars and or any form of grains yet be low carb.
If I can by sight, smell and taste normally I can tell its source. My almonds, coconut chips and chocolate bars are processed but not beyond recognition.
I hope that helps you when reading my posts going forward.
Yes McDonald's will sell you truly process food if on menu. I order off of the alacart menu for people that are special snow flakes.
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Well now I'm not sure there's a criteria for the usage so much as it is some kind of intuition.5
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magnusthenerd wrote: »Well now I'm not sure there's a criteria for the usage so much as it is some kind of intuition.
When you put too much thought into it, it just becomes painful lol.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Ahh personal definitions. See this is why it’s so hard to clarify when someone says “you must cut out processed foods to be healthy” what exactly they mean.GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
Now at 68 my health and health markers continue to improve. My long term health issue has been the side effects of the Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis. It has taken a long time but I am seeing some reversing of the ankylosing spondylitis which makes driving and most everything easier to do due to joints starting to move a few degrees in some areas.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
About a month ago I started eating some of fruit and whole food carb sources (no processed foods) after being off that for 4 years. My Blood Pressure started to drift up, headaches started to return and the worse of all my pitting edema in my lower legs returned. These are all gone now that I am back to keeping my daily carbs down to around 50 grams daily.
Best of continued success.
McDonalds isn’t processed food?
Not that violates my no added sugars and or any form of grains yet be low carb.
If I can by sight, smell and taste normally I can tell its source. My almonds, coconut chips and chocolate bars are processed but not beyond recognition.
So none of the processed food I eat is "processed." Cool. That's not confusing at all.
Pretty sure the oats and quinoa I ate this morning are recognizable in such a manner. Or the fruit, which you claim is bad for you.
Really, same for McD's fries (from JR Simplot's potatoes), or even sugar.
Maybe don't use "processed" if you really have nothing against processing and are mainly just trying to say carbs are bad.
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I have had several major orthopedic surgeries by renown doctors and I have told them about my keto diet-- they never had a problem with it (one told me to just not jack up on MCT oil the night before surgery)
and I have been able to recover faster from surgery-- since staying ketosis is a great way of reducing inflammation.
and since I've had procedures while NOT on keto, I know that for my body being in a state of ketosis is just easier for healing. Also you can eat a ton more effective calories.
I think the most dangerous part of keto is it's really, REALLY easy to lose your appetite and neglect giving your body proper salts and nutrients-- which I learned when first starting. That's really terrible to go through and you MUST stay on top of your nutrients and calories or else you'll turn into a zombie.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
...I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
Care to share this amazing study?
https://everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/diet/study-shows-how-low-carb-diets-may-lead-weight-loss/
That was a twenty-week study and the article itself discloses that other studies have shown different results. Why would this particular study make you "sure" that you're burning more calories while it's obviously still not established and replicated?
As you know I put no stock into this particular or other studies about calories because I put no stock into calories in general when it comes to health in general. Today we really do not know how the human body uses energy or why two people with seemingly equal CICO numbers yet they maintain, gain or lose at different rates. I am convinced calories are just a very small fraction of the weight/health equation.
While I am not concerned about calories because I have personally found no reason to do so I am interested to learn more how quantum mechanics/physics impacts human health and the difference between Eastern and Western Medicine modes and results.
https://quantumuniversity.com/integrative-medicine/quantum-physics-integrative-medicine/
Which variable represents keto?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Ahh personal definitions. See this is why it’s so hard to clarify when someone says “you must cut out processed foods to be healthy” what exactly they mean.GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »trailjunkey wrote: »I started Keto and intermittent fasting in October after using the traditional lower caloric diet with ADA macros for most of my weight loss attempts. I am down 49 pounds total but only about 27 of that is while on Keto. Better than all of that my A1C is no longer Pre-Diabetic. My Cholesterol is back to normal range. My Psoriasis has gone away. I no longer crave carbs and I now feel satisfied after my meals. Fifty pounds still to go to my target weight but it is working for me. My doctor is thrilled. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have. I don't eat alot of fruits right now but will in the future probably.
@trailjunkey those are awesome Keto results and similar to what I have experienced since Oct 2014.
Now at 68 my health and health markers continue to improve. My long term health issue has been the side effects of the Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis. It has taken a long time but I am seeing some reversing of the ankylosing spondylitis which makes driving and most everything easier to do due to joints starting to move a few degrees in some areas.
While I am down a much needed 50 pounds I had no weight loss agenda but just to improve all of my health markers over time and to manage my pain levels without Rx Meds. I continue to maintain the way way I lost weight eating 3,000-4,000 calories daily. Now that I can walk any distance I wish and do not use power shopping carts any more I am sure I naturally burn more calories before factoring in how Keto is reported to increase calorie burn by 250 calories daily in some study.
About a month ago I started eating some of fruit and whole food carb sources (no processed foods) after being off that for 4 years. My Blood Pressure started to drift up, headaches started to return and the worse of all my pitting edema in my lower legs returned. These are all gone now that I am back to keeping my daily carbs down to around 50 grams daily.
Best of continued success.
McDonalds isn’t processed food?
Not that violates my no added sugars and or any form of grains yet be low carb.
If I can by sight, smell and taste normally I can tell its source. My almonds, coconut chips and chocolate bars are processed but not beyond recognition.
So none of the processed food I eat is "processed." Cool. That's not confusing at all.
Pretty sure the oats and quinoa I ate this morning are recognizable in such a manner. Or the fruit, which you claim is bad for you.
Really, same for McD's fries (from JR Simplot's potatoes), or even sugar.
Maybe don't use "processed" if you really have nothing against processing and are mainly just trying to say carbs are bad.
I am talking about MY health and not the health of others for four years now. Yes more than 50 grams of carbs daily is Bad for ME. Pitting edema of the lower extremities long term is harmful to anyone's health. I can keep my carbs around 50 grams daily and not have pitting edema. I am eating the way that works for me. How others eat is their own business.15 -
@budonyan that is interesting info about the MCT warning that I will have to read up on as to WHY. I have been told the same thing about fish oil which I know may act as a blood thinner. Your point about Keto being a great way to reduce inflammation rings true in my body for sure. Thanks for sharing and the best of continued success.13
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